Should Trump supporters be banned from this forum?

[Brett85]

Sorry is the first word of the post? You start apologizing and expect to be persuasive? I'd advise you to watch a bit of this guy named Donald Trump. He doesn't start proposals by apologizing, and he seems quite successful.

I don't care if I'm successful or not. I want to be nothing like Donald Trump.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I don't care if I'm successful or not. I want to be nothing like Donald Trump.

Amen. I'm bad at it but kindness is important.

 

[fr33]

I voted no but it's going to get even worse if Rand gets disqualified from the next debate or even if Rand drops out later.This site is ripe with republican shills that will spam us no matter which idiot is chosen.

 

[CPUd]

I voted no but it's going to get even worse if Rand gets disqualified from the next debate or even if Rand drops out later.This site is ripe with republican and LP shills that will spam us no matter which idiot is chosen.

fixed.

 

[acptulsa]

I voted no but it's going to get even worse if Rand gets disqualified from the next debate or even if Rand drops out later.This site is ripe with republican, LP and other 'bipartisan' Establishment paid shills that will spam us no matter which idiot is chosen.

Fixed it better.

At the end of the day, volunteers have less ability to post than paid ops, because one has to earn a living and the other is making a living. Which is the way it is. But does it have to be the way it is here, of all places?

 

[AuH20]

3 points

1) There are no paid operatives to run interference when the candidate has destroyed his candidacy by his lonesome. Numbers were trending down months before the Trump surge began.

2) Nearly all the people who find Trump palatable in this sea of mediocrity are driven by anti-establishment motivations. In other words, smash the beltway triumvirate of think tanks, lobbying groups and politicians. Logically, there are little to no coattails for Cruz or others, since they are viewed as part of the problem.

3) The Rand cultists live in a self-enclosed bubble in which Rand is secretly leading but is being held down by the media and the malcontents who jumped to Trump.

 

[erowe1]

3 points

1) There are no paid operatives to run interference when the candidate has destroyed his candidacy by his lonesome. Numbers were trending down months before the Trump surge began.

2) Nearly all the people who find Trump palatable in this sea of mediocrity are driven by anti-establishment motivations. In other words, smash the beltway triumvirate of think tanks, lobbying groups and politicians. Logically, there are little to no coattails for Cruz or others, since they are viewed as part of the problem.

3) The Rand cultists live in a self-enclosed bubble in which Rand is secretly leading but is being held down by the media and the malcontents who jumped to Trump.

Why are you here?

 

[AuH20]

Why are you here?

I was here to get Rand elected until he pulled the rug out from underneath our feet. No one ever wanted to be on the side of the establishment. We are legion and there are many of us.

 

[Brett85]

3 points

1) There are no paid operatives to run interference when the candidate has destroyed his candidacy by his lonesome. Numbers were trending down months before the Trump surge began.

2) Nearly all the people who find Trump palatable in this sea of mediocrity are driven by anti-establishment motivations. In other words, smash the beltway triumvirate of think tanks, lobbying groups and politicians. Logically, there are little to no coattails for Cruz or others, since they are viewed as part of the problem.

3) The Rand cultists live in a self-enclosed bubble in which Rand is secretly leading but is being held down by the media and the malcontents who jumped to Trump.

What good does it do for Trump to crush the establishment when Trump is even more liberal than the establishment? If Trump wins then there will just be a new establishment that will be even more liberal and statist than the old establishment.

 

[nayjevin]

3 points

1) There are no paid operatives to run interference when the candidate has destroyed his candidacy by his lonesome. Numbers were trending down months before the Trump surge began.

Candidacy is not destroyed. Numbers not trending down more than expected given so many new candidates have entered race. You've refused to acknowledge this in the past.

2) Nearly all the people who find Trump palatable in this sea of mediocrity are driven by anti-establishment motivations. In other words, smash the beltway triumvirate of think tanks, lobbying groups and politicians. Logically, there are little to no coattails for Cruz or others, since they are viewed as part of the problem.

So this is great, Trump riles them up, we show them he is part of the problem.

3) The Rand cultists live in a self-enclosed bubble in which Rand is secretly leading but is being held down by the media and the malcontents who jumped to Trump.

Exaggerated mischaracterizations are easy to ridicule. Media is against Rand and his numbers are better than he is polling. But polling is more reflective of popular vote anyway, and election is not decided by popular vote.

I was here to get Rand elected until he pulled the rug out from underneath our feet. No one ever wanted to be on the side of the establishment. We are legion and there are many of us.

By reaching out to minorities?

 

[erowe1]

I was here to get Rand elected until he pulled the rug out from underneath our feet. No one ever wanted to be on the side of the establishment. We are legion and there are many of us.

No you weren't. Not unless you changed your views or just never had any clue what either he or his dad (or for that matter, your namesake Goldwater) ever stood for.

It has seemed like your views shifted much more away from freedom to anti-immigration statism as your years on this forum went on though.

 

[AuH20]

What good does it do for Trump to crush the establishment when Trump is even more liberal than the establishment? If Trump wins then there will just be a new establishment that will be even more liberal and statist than the old establishment.

Look at what Trump singlehandedly did to the GOP propaganda channel known as Fox a few weeks back. He broke them to his will and Ailes fearing for his ratings and credibility finally backed down. The fun has just begun. Nothing hurts the enemy more than high poll numbers. The enemy becomes impatient and sloppy as the vise tightens.

Ron Paul was on the right track but couldn't fully plug into the rage. The journey is far more important than the destination. Trump doesn't even have to win. He just has to create enough chaos to split the party in two. Maybe once the party splits, desperate people will start exploring desperate options (secession). More people may arrive at the notion that the game is hopelessly rigged and there can be no national referendum for restoring the Constitution at the federal level.

 

[AuH20]

Candidacy is not destroyed. Numbers not trending down more than expected given so many new candidates have entered race. You've refused to acknowledge this in the past.

Look at his favorable splits in NH and Iowa, two places where he was once beloved. His numbers have taken a huge hit.

So this is great, Trump riles them up, we show them he is part of the problem.

Doing the bidding of the neocons that assailed Ron's candidacy for so many years?

Exaggerated mischaracterizations are easy to ridicule. Media is against Rand and his numbers are better than he is polling. But polling is more reflective of popular vote anyway, and election is not decided by popular vote.

Numbers aren't much better outside landline exclusions. Rand has a credibility problem.

By reaching out to minorities?

Deviating from what created the Randslide in Kentucky. Rand Paul was arguably the most popular Republican in the countryside. He was a folk hero superstar who wasn't worried about focus groups and other nonsense. He was more off the cuff like Trump. Then he came to Washington and changed for the worse as he became seduced with the idea of running for POTUS.

 

[Brett85]

Look at what Trump singlehandedly did to the GOP propaganda channel known as Fox a few weeks back. He broke them to his will and Ailes fearing for his ratings and credibility finally backed down. The fun has just begun. Nothing hurts the enemy more than high poll numbers. The enemy becomes impatient and sloppy as the vise tightens.

Ron Paul was on the right track but couldn't fully plug into the rage. The journey is far more important than the destination. Trump doesn't even have to win. He just has to create enough chaos to split the party in two. Maybe once the party splits, desperate people will start exploring desperate options (secession). More people may arrive at the notion that the game is hopelessly rigged and there can be no national referendum for restoring the Constitution at the federal level.

I don't want to split the Republican Party in two. I want to reform it and make it more liberty oriented, which has been the goal of the liberty movement from the beginning. The only way to win elections is to be part of a functioning party.

 

[klamath]

What make AUH2O frustrating to people is he posts all these gushing threads about Trump and how great his positions are, Yet when cornered on how Trump is almost the opposite of RP's Ideas he reverts to "I am just supporting Trump to destroy the country so we can start new!" You really can't argue with that mentality, best to ignore.

 

[AuH20]

What make AUH2O frustrating to people is he posts all these gushing threads about Trump and how great his positions are, Yet when cornered on how Trump is almost the opposite of RP's Ideas he reverts to "I am just supporting Trump to destroy the country so we can start new!" You really can't argue with that mentality, best to ignore.

Trump is a mixed bag in terms of pure policy positions. I have said this numerous times. He's good on immigration, trade deals and interest rates. Not good on eminent domain and entitlement programs. Still with all that said, I would still trust him over Walker and Bush. We've seen what those handlers bring into the Oval Office.

 

[Brett85]

Trump is a mixed bag in terms of pure policy positions. I have said this numerous times. He's good on immigration, trade deals and interest rates.

Which Trump are you talking about that's good on immigration? The 2012 Trump who said that there should be a path to citizenship for illegals and criticized Romney for being too harsh on illegal immigration? Or the 2015 Trump who flip flopped and is now saying that all illegals need to be deported? And how in the world do you know which one is the real Trump?

 

[klamath]

Which Trump are you talking about that's good on immigration? The 2012 Trump who said that there should be a path to citizenship for illegals and criticized Romney for being too harsh on illegal immigration? Or the 2015 Trump who flip flopped and is now saying that all illegals need to be deported? And how in the world do you know which one is the real Trump?

Nobody has a clue of what Trump stands for only that he will build an enemies list of anyone that disagrees with him and will monitor them through the NSA and punish them through the IRS.

 

[acptulsa]

Trump is a mixed bag in terms of pure policy positions. I have said this numerous times. He's good on immigration, trade deals and interest rates. Not good on eminent domain and entitlement programs. Still with all that said, I would still trust him over Walker and Bush. We've seen what those handlers bring into the Oval Office.

He refuses to support the man we're all here to support because his substance is right but his delivery isn't obnoxious enough to get the nation to distrust completely the way they do Trump but he'll gush over Trump day and night because he can't get elected and can't make a difference and is the greatest of all available evils and might cause the nation to crash and burn knowing that the people who think we all want that are misguided and flat wrong but he wants us to look that way and even though Trump hires shills all the time and he's here day and night repetitively spamming us he isn't paid to do it even though he considers people who volunteer suckers and respects only those who go for the money and all principle be damned.

Stop me if I say something that actually makes sense, because then I'll know I'm not on the right track...

Because nothing says 'I'm a freedom fighter' like telling the people who are trying to replace those who take bribes with those who don't that they should instead be replacing those who take bribes with those who pay bribes.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump is a mixed bag in terms of pure policy positions. I have said this numerous times. He's good on immigration, trade deals and interest rates. Not good on eminent domain and entitlement programs. Still with all that said, I would still trust him over Walker and Bush. We've seen what those handlers bring into the Oval Office.

You left out Trump's support for illegal domestic spying ala Chris Christie, and foreign policy from John Bolton and Bibi...