Should Trump supporters be banned from this forum?

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Maybe I should've made my question more clear. Should people who constantly post threads about Donald Trump but never post anything else be allowed to post here? Those are the kind of people I'm talking about.

Who does this? The closest I can think of would be AuH2O, but it's not accurate to say he never posts anything else.

 

[Brett85]

Cruz??? LOL

Again, do economic issues not matter to people at all here? Donald Trump supported Obama's trillion dollar stimulus bill. He supported TARP and the auto bailouts. He's a big, big spender. Cruz is opposed to all of those things. He also has a 89% lifetime rating from the JBS, just below Rand's 93% rating. And they certainly aren't some neocon organization either as Ron regularly received 95+% ratings from them.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Again, do economic issues not matter to people at all here? Donald Trump supported Obama's trillion dollar stimulus bill. He supported TARP and the auto bailouts. He's a big, big spender. Cruz is opposed to all of those things. He also has a 89% lifetime rating from the JBS, just below Rand's 93% rating. And they certainly aren't some neocon organization either as Ron regularly received 95+% ratings from them.

Cruz could afford to oppose those things. Do you think if he was President in 2008, he wouldn't have bailed out the banks? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Again, do economic issues not matter to people at all here? Donald Trump supported Obama's trillion dollar stimulus bill. He supported TARP and the auto bailouts. He's a big, big spender. Cruz is opposed to all of those things. He also has a 89% lifetime rating from the JBS, just below Rand's 93% rating. And they certainly aren't some neocon organization either as Ron regularly received 95+% ratings from them.

Economic issues matter, but other issues do too. Thumbs down to Cruz.

 

[Brett85]

Economic issues matter, but other issues do too. Thumbs down to Cruz.

I'm not saying that I support him, just that he's night and day more liberty oriented than someone like Donald Trump. Trump is the most anti liberty candidate in the race by far.

 

[Rad]

People should not be banned for having contrary opinions. The fact that this needs to be said on a "libertarian" forum is baffling. The fact that Trump is so popular on RPF is much more about Rand's failings than anything else. Ignore that fact at your own peril.

You've been reading Dan McCarthy haven't you? http://www.theamericanconservative.com/mccarthy/is-rand-paul-missing-his-giuliani-moment/

I'd be honored to be banned. Truly, honored.

 

[Brett85]

Donald Trump gets foreign policy advice from John Bolton.

http://www.targetliberty.com/2015/08/omg-trump-says-he-looks-for-advice-from.html

 

[Brett85]

The fact that Trump is so popular on RPF is much more about Rand's failings than anything else. Ignore that fact at your own peril.

Yeah, so because Rand has run a bad campaign and is performing badly in the polls, people are going to support a candidate with views 180 degrees opposite of Rand's views. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[TaftFan]

This forum isn't just for libertarians and quite frankly, libertarians don't have the corner on liberty. In fact, some work directly against it.

By definition, libertarians have the corner on liberty.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Yeah, so because Rand has run a bad campaign and is performing badly in the polls, people are going to support a candidate with views 180 degrees opposite of Rand's views. Makes a lot of sense.

Regardless of what sense it makes, that's why it's happening. If Rand was running a good campaign, Trump wouldn't be the wedge he's become.

 

[Krugminator2]

Cruz is at least opposed to trillion dollar corporate bailouts and trillion dollar stimulus bills. Donald Trump is every bit as fiscally liberal as someone like Bernie Sanders, if not more so. Heck, even Bernie Sanders opposes bailouts.

I don't see why that is funny either. Cruz is at least a fellow traveler. I like Rand much better but Cruz is a pretty good Senator. I would certainly vote for Cruz in a general election.

Trump has nothing in common with libertarianism or Ron Paul on any issue that I can see. Anyone who supports Trump is an enemy of Ron Paul's views. He is awful in almost every way when it comes to politics.

 

[Dianne]

I wish to change my vote. Now that TRUMP is going to Bolton for foreign policy advice, all Trumpsters should be banned. Yesterday, not today. Weeks ago, Bolton did a hit piece on Rand.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I'm not saying that I support him, just that he's night and day more liberty oriented than someone like Donald Trump. Trump is the most anti liberty candidate in the race by far.

That's fine, if that's what you want to do. But I wouldn't support either Trump or Cruz.

 

[wizardwatson]

People should not be banned for having contrary opinions. The fact that this needs to be said on a "libertarian" forum is baffling. The fact that Trump is so popular on RPF is much more about Rand's failings than anything else. Ignore that fact at your own peril.

What exactly is the statistic of "so popular"? I see like 10 prolific posters maybe who talk him up. Just because the boards are spammed with Trump propaganda doesn't mean he's taking over or a threat. Maybe you should start a poll. Maybe you're right and I'm just not aware of a poll on here.

The mold bug is banned, I wonder why?

Because mods started paying attention to him?

 

[anaconda]

This needs to be explained ?

Yes, to the O.P. apparently.

 

[anaconda]

Freedom of speech is simply the right of people to speak freely without getting arrested and imprisoned by the government. No one has a right to post comments here. We are all guests of the owner of this forum. If the owner of this forum decided to ban all Trump supporters, it wouldn't violate anyone's free speech rights.

Point well taken.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Here's the problem, I just did a search for topics with the word's "Rand" and "*****" (clear who that is).

49 topics where ***** is mentioned
69 topics where Rand is mentioned.

In the last 24hrs that is.

Since this is Ron Paul forums with a large Rand Paul section... Well that's kind of a weird balance don't you think ?

 

[juleswin]

People should not be banned for having contrary opinions. The fact that this needs to be said on a "libertarian" forum is baffling. The fact that Trump is so popular on RPF is much more about Rand's failings than anything else. Ignore that fact at your own peril.

Earth to people with libertarian in their usernames but who don't know what a libertarianism is. Being a libertarian doesn't mean you open up your house, business or internet forum to every idiot and their dog. When a libertarian throws a party, it doesn't mean everyone is invited. The fact that this idea is baffling to you and for some reason libertarian is in quotes shows that you are a bit clueless to what it means to be a libertarian. Just as long as the NPT is adhered to, an action is considered to be very libertarian.

If you ask me, I think this website has suffered from bad management since Josh left add to it the wave of loud, obnoxious stormfronters members whose only policy of interest is immigration. A few yrs back, this wave would be given the fire111 treatment and shown the door, but today, they are lionized as free speech (even though free speech lies in the domain of govt) champions and welcomed. Nobody suggested fire111 be laughed at or ignore all the times he was banned, he was kicked out every time he showed up even though he was fun, entertaining and harmless and was not even 1/1000th as divisive as the stormfronters

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Earth to people with libertarian in their usernames but who don't know what a libertarianism is. Being a libertarian doesn't mean you open up your house, business or internet forum to every idiot and their dog. When a libertarian throws a party, it doesn't mean everyone is invited. The fact that this idea is baffling to you and for some reason libertarian is in quotes shows that you are a bit clueless to what it means to be a libertarian. Just as long as the NPT is adhered to, an action is considered to be very libertarian.

No one is saying that, you little turd. What I'm saying is that a libertarian forum should value the free marketplace of ideas, and not ban people simply for having contrary opinions. Wanting your community to be an echo-chamber is cowardly.

If you ask me, I think this website has suffered from bad management since Josh left add to it the wave of loud, obnoxious stormfronters members whose only policy of interest is immigration. A few yrs back, this wave would be given the fire111 treatment and shown the door, but today, they are lionized as free speech (even though free speech lies in the domain of govt) champions and welcomed. Nobody suggested fire111 be laughed at or ignore all the times he was banned, he was kicked out every time he showed up even though he was fun, entertaining and harmless and was not even 1/1000th as divisive as the stormfronters

I think people who say I'm from a website I have never once posted on just because I recognize the fact of HBD should be banned. I assume you would have no problem with this.

 

[juleswin]

No one is saying that, you little turd. What I'm saying is that a libertarian forum should value the free marketplace of ideas, and not ban people simply for having contrary opinions. Wanting your community to be an echo-chamber is cowardly.

What politically correct BS that is, what if my idea is to wish for the painful deaths of everyone in the forums, is that still part of free market of ideas? is that the kind of idea that would be allowed? should we just allowed every idea to posted here and at any levels? is there anything that should be disallowed? anything at all? its one thing if there were 3, maybe 4 rational people posting on their insane authoritarian ideas and are able to argue like normal people. Its a totally different thing when you have a slew of them coming in and disrupting the forum. Free market of ideas is good, but I think at this point we are having an avalanche of it to the point where it is turning into a very bad thing.

Also whats with putting libertarian in quotation marks? is that your way of saying that rejecting certain ideas is in some way unlibertarian?

I think people who say I'm from a website I have never once posted on just because I recognize the fact of HBD should be banned. I assume you would have no problem with this.

I actually never said you were from any other website, not once did I make such an accusation. I have always known you were a bit different from the new influx of members stormfront members, I have my suspicions on who they are but be rest assured you are not a suspect. If it makes you feel better, I think on your worst drunken stupor day, you have more political IQ on your brain stem alone than jj and AuH20 combined.