Should Trump supporters be banned from this forum?

[erowe1]

What about those who advocate things that both Ron and Rand are against, like open borders? In that case, you should have been banned long ago.

For all intents and purposes, Ron and Rand are for open borders. If you are sympathetic to Trump's position on immigration, then my view on it is closer to both Ron's and Rand's than yours is.

But even so, here's what the site guidelines say:

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There's plenty of room in there for disagreement on specific issues. There's not room for pushing a candidate like Trump.

 

[kahless]

There is clearly an agenda to undermine these forums and support an agenda counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform and it is not the few people here that are posting information related to Trump's positions.

Take erowe1 for example. He is actively campaigning in this forum for a platform that is counter to that of Rand and Ron.

Just scratching the surface on erowe1's positions:

- The US as a country should cease to exist. Elimination of the federal government and complete open borders.

- Support of La Raza, an organization whose goal is white ethnic cleansing of the Western US and establishment of a Marxist state called Aztlán.

Yet no calls for a ban of erowe1. I suspect if we really take a look at all those complaining about the forum members mentioned they will have similar views counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform.

 

[erowe1]

There is clearly an agenda to undermine these forums and support an agenda counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform and it is not the few people here that are posting information related to Trump's positions.

Take erowe1 for example. He is actively campaigning in this forum for a platform that is counter to that of Rand and Ron.

Just scratching the surface on erowe1's positions:

- The US as a country should cease to exist. Elimination of the federal government and complete open borders.

- Support of La Raza, an organization whose goal is white ethnic cleansing of the Western US and establishment of a Marxist state called Aztlán.

Yet no calls for a ban of erowe1. I suspect if we really take a look at all those complaining about the forum members mentioned they will have similar views counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform.

Perfect example. How much longer will this be allowed to continue?

 

[LibertyEagle]

For all intents and purposes, Ron and Rand are for open borders. If you are sympathetic to Trump's position on immigration, then my view on it is closer to both Ron's and Rand's than yours is.

Bullshit. They are most certainly not for the illegal invasion of our country. You, on the other hand, are.

There is clearly an agenda to undermine these forums and support an agenda counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform and it is not the few people here that are posting information related to Trump's positions.

Take erowe1 for example. He is actively campaigning in this forum for a platform that is counter to that of Rand and Ron.

Just scratching the surface on erowe1's positions:

- The US as a country should cease to exist. Elimination of the federal government and complete open borders.

- Support of La Raza, an organization whose goal is white ethnic cleansing of the Western US and establishment of a Marxist state called Aztlán.

Yet no calls for a ban of erowe1. I suspect if we really take a look at all those complaining about the forum members mentioned they will have similar views counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform.

Exactly.

 

[erowe1]

Bullshit. They are most certainly not for the illegal invasion of our country. You, on the other hand, are.

No I am not. I don't think immigration should be illegal. And according to the only law that actually exists, God's law, it isn't.

 

[Sola_Fide]

No I am not. I don't think immigration should be illegal. And according to the only law that actually exists, God's law, it isn't.

Same.

 

[staerker]

There is clearly an agenda to undermine these forums and support an agenda counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform and it is not the few people here that are posting information related to Trump's positions.

Take erowe1 for example. He is actively campaigning in this forum for a platform that is counter to that of Rand and Ron.

Just scratching the surface on erowe1's positions:

- The US as a country should cease to exist. Elimination of the federal government and complete open borders.

- Support of La Raza, an organization whose goal is white ethnic cleansing of the Western US and establishment of a Marxist state called Aztlán.

Yet no calls for a ban of erowe1. I suspect if we really take a look at all those complaining about the forum members mentioned they will have similar views counter to that of Ron and Rand's platform.

Both Ron and Rand propose a palatable form of minarchism. There will always be differences, but the spirit driving anarchism and minarchism are one and the same.

Trump, however, proposes a complete dictatorship. Notice how both Ron and Rand constantly condemn his positions.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Same.

Congrats, you and Erowe don't believe in the concept of nations. That makes you tools of the one-worlders. It's one of the problems in this so-called movement.

 

[erowe1]

Both Ron and Rand propose a palatable form of minarchism. There will always be differences, but the spirit driving anarchism and minarchism are one and the same.

Trump, however, proposes a complete dictatorship. Notice how both Ron and Rand constantly condemn his positions.

Yes. And I don't see anybody coming in here and pumping up the candidacy of some other candidate on account of his having a more pro-immigration position than Rand (if there are any such candidates, which I doubt). I do, however, see people pushing Trump on account of his distinction as a more anti-immigration candidate.

 

[erowe1]

Congrats, you and Erowe don't believe in the concept of nations. That makes you tools of the one-worlders. It's one of the problems in this so-called movement.

We can have nations without having regimes that regulate immigration. Nations have existed for thousands of years. Your support for a central manager controlling America's demographics is much closer to one-world-government than what I support.

 

[kahless]

Both Ron and Rand propose a palatable form of minarchism. There will always be differences, but the spirit driving anarchism and minarchism are one and the same.

They believe in a form of minarchism that would not be possible with an open border. I have not seen any evidence that Ron and Rand are being dishonest with their immigration platform as it would appear you and erowe1 are claiming.

If either of you have any evidence that Ron and Rand are being dishonest with their publicly released platforms to the point they desire complete open borders and dissolution of the US as a country then make your case.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yes. And I don't see anybody coming in here and pumping up the candidacy of some other candidate on account of his having a more pro-immigration position than Rand (if there are any such candidates, which I doubt). I do, however, see people pushing Trump on account of his distinction as a more anti-immigration candidate.

No, but you constantly try to lead readers away from Ron and Rand's stances, while claiming to support them. Verses someone who says something positive about Trump because of Trump's stance on an issue.

Which one is more damaging? I say someone like you.

 

[erowe1]

They believe in a form of minarchism that would not be possible with an open border. I have not seen any evidence that Ron and Rand are being dishonest with their immigration platform as it would appear you and erowe1 are claiming.

If either of you have any evidence that Ron and Rand are being dishonest with their publicly released platforms to the point they desire complete open borders and dissolution of the US as a country then make your case.

I don't think they're being dishonest. Not sure where you got that idea. Maybe the way you came up with the idea that I supported La Raza.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't think they're being dishonest. Not sure where you got that idea. Maybe the way you came up with the idea that I supported La Raza.

You support a group called THE RACE? Seriously? And you call yourself a libertarian?

 

[erowe1]

No, but you constantly try to lead readers away from Ron and Rand's stances, while claiming to support them.

No I don't.

Ron's greatest legacy, and one for which I'm sure he's quite proud, has been in drawing over huge numbers of people like me from rank-and-file Republican conservatism to being full-fledged enemies of the state. Over the years, this very website has been a great tool in doing that. It always has been. And it should continue to be.

 

[erowe1]

You support a group called THE RACE? Seriously? And you call yourself a libertarian?

Go back and reread what you just quoted.

No, I don't support them. And no, I don't call myself a libertarian.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No I don't.

Yeah, you do. You preach open borders and your disdain for the concept of nations. This is totally against what Ron and Rand believe.

Ron's greatest legacy, and one for which I'm sure he's quite proud, has been in drawing over huge numbers of people like me from rank-and-file Republican conservatism to being full-fledged enemies of the state. Over the years, this very website has been a great tool in doing that. It always has been. And it should continue to be.

You are pushing your agenda. Not Ron and Rand's.

 

[staerker]

They believe in a form of minarchism that would not be possible with an open border. I have not seen any evidence that Ron and Rand are being dishonest with their immigration platform as it would appear you and erowe1 are claiming.

If either of you have any evidence that Ron and Rand are being dishonest with their publicly released platforms to the point they desire complete open borders and dissolution of the US as a country then make your case.

Okay.? Point being, their form of minarchism is identical in spirit to anarcho-capitalism. They simply have not carried their arguments out to their logical conclusions (publicly,) as many here have.

A dictatorship is antithetical to that spirit. Note the constant condemnation by both Ron and Rand.

 

[erowe1]

Yeah, you do. You preach open borders and your disdain for the concept of nations. This is totally against what Ron and Rand believe.

I preach open borders, which for all intents and purposes is Ron Paul's position. Rand isn't far from that either, as evidenced by the hatred he gets from the anti-immigration people here. But I defy you to find a quote where I express any disdain for the concept of nations.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Go back and reread what you just quoted.

No, I don't support them. And no, I don't call myself a libertarian.

Anarchist? If so, good, then we agree that anarchists and libertarians are not the same thing.