Should the US accept Syrian Refugees?

[r3volution 3.0]

If it's sheer numbers of people who make your economy zoom, then why the hell isn't that working for them in their home countries?

Did anyone say that population is the only factor in determining output?

All else being equal, more people means more output.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

We need to put them through our education system first. It is not possible to be productive in our country unless you have edjukation and 100k in debt. Who is going to provide student loans for them?

They must also be given a free television and cable, so that they can watch the news and become well-informed voters.

 

[Contumacious]

The implication here being that a) the State is capable of "making anyone whole," let alone refugees the State, itself, has caused the displacement of, b) that the only way for them to "be made whole" is to bring them across the world to the U.S. and to thus burden the tax payers, many of whom were against involvement in the Middle East/Syria.

That about right?

Obviously there are many refugees who are in need of assistance. But why is bringing [some of] them to the U.S. the only solution?

Everything the State does costs money, and every dime the State spends is ultimately theft. How much theft does your conscience demand before it is satisfied?

The folks at the Reason Foundation disagree with you:



Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think -


Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

 

[Contumacious]

You have a valid point-SOMEONE has to take responsibility for the mess. However, I would say the responsibility belongs to the actors directly at fault-the politicians. Let the refugees live in the White House, the Capitol building, the SCOTUS hall, and all the other federal territory in D.C. Also, the homes of the congress-critters, generals, and everyone else who created this mess.

That's definitely acceptable to me.


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[Cabal]

The folks at the Reason Foundation disagree with you:



Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think -


Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

How much taxes illegal immigrants are or aren't paying is entirely irrelevant to what's being discussed. Aside from irrelevant links, do you have any original thoughts of your own on the actual subject, or are you simply incapable of addressing the substance?

 

[erowe1]

Bullshit.

If it's just the number of people who increase production, then hell, Africa should be booming.

Parts of it are. And where it isn't, it's not for having too many people.

 

[timosman]

Parts of it are. And where it isn't, it's not for having too many people.

Our economy is a ponzi scheme. We need to import more and more people, otherwise the house of cards will collapse. In the process of doing so, we also drag everybody down. The government is ready to take care of the fallen to some extent so they feel grateful and vote for more spending. They know there are really no opportunities to speak of. Sign up for a shitty job, get some food stamps and live the american dream. Maybe your children will do better if they can get a student loan.

 

[Origanalist]

The folks at the Reason Foundation disagree with you:



Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think -


Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

Bullshit. They are just as happy to milk the government as Americana's.

 

[Origanalist]

So even here on RPF's it's 65% no. That probably means 75% of the population feels that way but the State will do what it wants regardless.

 

[Brandywine]

It's cute how people want a screening process, but it's impossible.

"Hi my name is Brandywine I am a refugee"
"Okay, do you have ID?"
"No, I'm a friggen refugee, I promise that's my real name."
"Okay sounds good, here let me finger print you even though it's meaningless unless in the future you commit a crime."
"K thanks."

Am I missing something? We overestimate the ability of immigration, customs, DHS, and FBI officials to magically know people's history and background.

 

[Origanalist]

It's cute how people want a screening process, but it's impossible.

"Hi my name is Brandywine I am a refugee"
"Okay, do you have ID?"
"No, I'm a friggen refugee, I promise that's my real name."
"Okay sounds good, here let me finger print you even though it's meaningless unless in the future you commit a crime."
"K thanks."

Am I missing something? We overestimate the ability of immigration, customs, DHS, and FBI officials to magically know people's history and background.

"cause government is magical.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Parts of it are. And where it isn't, it's not for having too many people.

Yes and you know why those particular parts are still doing well and it doesn't have a thing with mass numbers of people.

 

[Contumacious]

How much taxes illegal immigrants are or aren't paying is entirely irrelevant to what's being discussed. Aside from irrelevant links, do you have any original thoughts of your own on the actual subject, or are you simply incapable of addressing the substance?

Sorry to burst your bubble, really.

Here is moe'.


From the Mises Institute

The Costs of Immigration

According to the Center for Immigration Studies (via the Federation for American Immigration Reform), state government spending on welfare for immigrants is $11-$22 billion through programs like TANF. A report by the Center for Immigration Studies estimated that the Federal Government spend some $26.3 billion on services for illegal immigrants in 2002. These immigrants paid about $16 billion in taxes, leaving us with a net cost of about $10.4 billion (these are their numbers; I know $26.3-$16=$10.3, but there’s rounding error)."


So , obviously you don't know you ass from a hole in the ground.

You are either a Zionut or an American Likudnick hence conflicted by interest.


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[Contumacious]

Bullshit. They are just as happy to milk the government as Americana's.

Abolish the welfare/warfare state and the milking will stop.

 

[Contumacious]

It's cute how people want a screening process, but it's impossible.

"Hi my name is Brandywine I am a refugee"
"Okay, do you have ID?"
"No, I'm a friggen refugee, I promise that's my real name."
"Okay sounds good, here let me finger print you even though it's meaningless unless in the future you commit a crime."
"K thanks."

Am I missing something? We overestimate the ability of immigration, customs, DHS, and FBI officials to magically know people's history and background.

Yep, indeed.


Neither the NSA nor its British Counterpart GCHQ, heard about the plans to attack Paris.


Weak as water.


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[puppetmaster]

Recheck your premises.

It's obvious that you can not formulate a proper question without naivete.


Syria is being invaded by Israhell, Saudi Arabia, the US, France, UK, Russia , Daesh, and others.


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...lol. OK if Puerto Rico was being invaded by one or all of those countries you listed would yout stay and defend or go and desert your family to support the attacking country?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It's cute how people want a screening process, but it's impossible.

"Hi my name is Brandywine I am a refugee"
"Okay, do you have ID?"
"No, I'm a friggen refugee, I promise that's my real name."
"Okay sounds good, here let me finger print you even though it's meaningless unless in the future you commit a crime."
"K thanks."

Am I missing something? We overestimate the ability of immigration, customs, DHS, and FBI officials to magically know people's history and background.

Nothing like the old days...

 

[Cabal]

Sorry to burst your bubble, really.

Here is moe'.

So, you are, in fact, incapable of addressing the substance. I suspected as much, and am not at all surprised. Luckily, my expectations of you were low, so I'm not really too disappointed.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

The implication here being that a) the State is capable of "making anyone whole," let alone refugees the State, itself, has caused the displacement of, b) that the only way for them to "be made whole" is to bring them across the world to the U.S. and to thus burden the tax payers, many of whom were against involvement in the Middle East/Syria.

That about right?

Obviously there are many refugees who are in need of assistance. But why is bringing [some of] them to the U.S. the only solution?

Everything the State does costs money, and every dime the State spends is ultimately theft. How much theft does your conscience demand before it is satisfied?

Actively preventing refugees from coming to the US would also cost money, and involve theft.

If refugees are able to come to the US without US aid, they should be welcomed.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Actively preventing refugees from coming to the US would also cost money, and involve theft.

If refugees are able to come to the US without US aid, they should be welcomed.

It would cost a lot more to clean up after a bomb.

Don't be nuts.