Should the right to bear arms be unconditional?

[Conza88]

Do you have a right to defend your property?

And that does mean your body? Then......... of course.

 

[Ozwest]

I'll throw a spanner into the works...

No fucking way anyone should own a firearm without training.

I am trained, and love my gun club.

 

[TruckinMike]

The bill of rights didn't create your rights. The constitution was not seen as a vehicle to rein in state power at all.

I've heard this view to many times before. And with it comes a complete destruction of all that you cherish(can you say moo moo tyranny of the masses?). Technically you may be right, but I'm sticking with the words of our founders --- and staying with the assumption that I am protected from my "state" via the bill of rights. It may be a false argument, but its effective.

No fucking way anyone should own a firearm without training.

Absolutely! Get your training before you have a gun to train with; just cock your thumb back and have at it! HA Ha (I'm not even going to take that bait )


TMike

 

[Ozwest]

Perhaps people should drive without a motor vehicle test.

Hand a loaded weapon to a first time shooter.

Recipe for disaster.

 

[SnappleLlama]

Perhaps people should drive without a motor vehicle test.

Hand a loaded weapon to a first time shooter.

Recipe for disaster.

Agreed.

 

[Conza88]

Perhaps people should drive without a motor vehicle test.

Hand a loaded weapon to a first time shooter.

Recipe for disaster.

Those taking those risks... i.e not getting training, are risking their lives and others... also, their insurance premiums / cover wld be insane.. if they were allowed to get it that is... lol.. insurance companies cld do their own tests... assess what you should pay etc.. even maybe a personality test; are you reckless..

If people don't want to do the tests.. because of privacy issues; then they go to the competitors who aren't..

Disaster? probably.. but it ain't the govt's role to pre-empt disasters on assumptions...

 

[Ozwest]

I've heard this view to many times before. And with it comes a complete destruction of all that you cherish(can you say moo moo tyranny of the masses?). Technically you may be right, but I'm sticking with the words of our founders --- and staying with the assumption that I am protected from my "state" via the bill of rights. It may be a false argument, but its effective.



Absolutely! Get your training before you have a gun to train with; just cock your thumb back and have at it! HA Ha (I'm not even going to take that bait )


TMike

Noooo....

Don't be a fuck-head.

I take the use and safety of firearms seriously.

I'd suggest you zig - zag...

 

[Ozwest]

Those taking those risks... i.e not getting training, are risking their lives and others... also, their insurance premiums / cover wld be insane.. if they were allowed to get it that is... lol.. insurance companies cld do their own tests... assess what you should pay etc.. even maybe a personality test; are you reckless..

If people don't want to do the tests.. because of privacy issues; then they go to the competitors who aren't..

Disaster? probably.. but it ain't the govt's role to pre-empt disasters on assumptions...

That's a confusing reply...

I'm not against gun ownership.

I support responsible gun ownership.

Join a club.

 

[ARealConservative]

I've heard this view to many times before. And with it comes a complete destruction of all that you cherish(can you say moo moo tyranny of the masses?). Technically you may be right, but I'm sticking with the words of our founders --- and staying with the assumption that I am protected from my "state" via the bill of rights. It may be a false argument, but its effective.

I understand your point completely and your concerns are valid.

I always look at it from the other spectrum. If government only protects rights, we can't completely ignore the will of the people that are in charge of protecting rights because if they are unhappy with government, what incentive do they have to defend it? If the government is too rigid, they will replace it with a less rigid version anyway and possibly refuse to help protect any of my rights until they get the government they want.

From a practical standpoint, states already restrict this right and they have clearly went too far, but we need to be careful to push back too far as well.

 

[TruckinMike]

Perhaps people should drive without a motor vehicle test.

Hand a loaded weapon to a first time shooter.

YES, without question. And in part, you are wrong with your assumptions. People can be trusted. My Grandfather didn't have a drivers license until the 40's. He started driving in 1923 without a license, without training. Would there be some accidents as a result of this freedom? yes. But these types of laws are the slippery slope that has shackled us - And continue to do so. (same opinion on firearms)

If we were taught self responsibility at the home and at school we wouldn't need all these laws. Lets focus on shrinking the government, not growing it.

And like I posted earlier...

I love freedom enough to live with the inconveniences of it.

TMike

PS - I was driving to the dairy in the 3rd grade and obtained my first deer rifle at the ripe old age of 7. ( I still have that model 94 30-30)

PPS- And my grandfather had never even heard of paying an income tax, much less the IRS. (however, he did know who the revenuers were) There was a time when we were much freer.

 

[brandon]

Hand a loaded weapon to a first time shooter.

Recipe for disaster.

How is this a recipe for disaster? Everyone was a first time shooter some time.

It sounds like you are in favor of completely banning guns.

 

[SnappleLlama]

How is this a recipe for disaster? Everyone was a first time shooter some time.

It sounds like you are in favor of completely banning guns.

I think he just wants some effort to ensure responsible gun ownership, rather than just telling everyone to grab a gun and start shooting!

Now, whether it's up to the state to create mandatory gun training for all owners, or the parents' responsibility to teach their children...that's where it gets a bit touchy.

 

[brandon]

I think he just wants some effort to ensure responsible gun ownership, rather than just telling everyone to grab a gun and start shooting!

Everyone who wants to shoot a gun has to grab a gun and start shooting at some point in time.

It's really not that hard. Just don't point it at anyone you don't want to shoot and you'll be fine.

 

[SnappleLlama]

Everyone who wants to shoot a gun has to grab a gun and start shooting at some point in time.

It's really not that hard. Just don't point it at anyone you don't want to shoot and you'll be fine.

Trust me, you wouldn't want to hand my brother a gun. Talk about uncoordinated! He'd probably shoot off his own foot.

 

[Ozwest]

How is this a recipe for disaster? Everyone was a first time shooter some time.

It sounds like you are in favor of completely banning guns.

Considering I own a variety of weapons and manufacture my own ammo, I would have to disagree.

I have introduced others to shooting. Responsible gun ownership and safety.

If passing out .44 mags to bunnies illustrates freedom, I'll park my compressor outside your house, and load my nail gun.

 

[amy31416]

With mandatory training or anything on arms, you end up on a list. And that, my friends, is bullshit.

Any system that allows officials to track who does and does not have guns is a very, very bad idea in a free society.

 

[Ozwest]

With mandatory training or anything on arms, you end up on a list. And that, my friends, is bullshit.

Any system that allows officials to track who does and does not have guns is a very, very bad idea in a free society.

Fuck lists!

Like minded people ignore authority.

 

[Ozwest]

With mandatory training or anything on arms, you end up on a list. And that, my friends, is bullshit.

Any system that allows officials to track who does and does not have guns is a very, very bad idea in a free society.

I am sorry, I am a stickler for correct use of firearms.

 

[amy31416]

I am sorry, I am a stickler for correct use of firearms.

I'm a stickler for freedom from government oppression.

I'm fine with training, but not mandatory gov't or state sponsored training.

 

[Ozwest]

Owning a weapon is a responsibility. A serious responsibility.

I would not a first time user to walk onto a shooting range with a loaded weapon.

Yet...