Should Libertarians support anarcho-capitalism?

[CCTelander]

The fact that some people have too much body fat does not mean that there is no such thing as too little.

Some things are inherently bad, others are only bad when you have too much.

I see. And robbery, rape and murder are some of those things which are only bad if we have too much, apparently.

 

[Origanalist]

Nope. I do not drink and I do not smoke and I do not take drugs.

I've seen our face, though. It's worn.

uh huh.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Thank you. But I was hoping to hear it from someone here, in their own words, in a concise, summarized way. I think it was Swordsmyth who mentioned that it's impossible to not end up having some sort of government. Maybe he's wrong, but unless I missed it, I haven't seen anyone here address that.

First of all, it's in no way a matter of 'legal' theory. Do not confuse what is lawful with what is legal. Be careful what you thank someone for. You do not legislate liberty.

HB is a libertine. He is not a libertarian. In fact, few people on this board are libertarian. It's prominently a libertine board. Which is why we have so many confused people saying they're anarchists.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Thank you. But I was hoping to hear it from someone here, in their own words, in a concise, summarized way. I think it was Swordsmyth who mentioned that it's impossible to not end up having some sort of government. Maybe he's wrong, but unless I missed it, I haven't seen anyone here address that.

You really can't just "summarize" any theory. (Otherwise it wouldn't be systematic enough to be good theory) That would leave holes in it that beg questions needing more summary. Any summary you could get would leave you with questions requiring you to refer to source material in a bibliography, IMO.

 

[Origanalist]

 

[Swordsmyth]

I see. And robbery, rape and murder are some of those things which are only bad if we have too much, apparently.

That is not what I said, government is one of the things that is only bad when you have too much or when it is malevolent.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And yet you think government, hardly by any means made up of angels, much less even decent people will protect the weak. I'll never understand this thinking. They don't want to protect, they want to control.

Government must protect at least some of the weak to keep people following it, if good people don't get involved in government then the odds that it will protect many of the weak will be low.
The fact remains however that people will form governments, some with bad intent and others with good intent, people have an urge and a need to control their enviroment.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

First of all, it's in no way a matter of 'legal' theory. Do not confuse what is lawful with what is legal. Be careful what you thank someone for.

HB is a libertine. He is not a libertarian. In fact, few people on this board are libertarian. It's prominently a libertine board. Which is why we have so many confused people saying they're anarchists.

Fuck right off with that, asshole. That is a damn lie and you know it. (or perhaps "libertine" is just a "big" word that you just learned and don't fully understand and are trying to look smart with? regardless, you're wrong)

 

[lilymc]

First of all, it's in no way a matter of 'legal' theory. Do not confuse what is lawful with what is legal. Be careful what you thank someone for.

HB is a libertine. He is not a libertarian.

I was only thanking him for offering to give me book titles. Even though I wanted to hear someone here answer your question in their own words.

You really can't just "summarize" any theory. (Otherwise it wouldn't be systematic enough to be good theory) That would leave holes in it that beg questions needing more summary. Any summary you could get would leave you with questions requiring you to refer to source material in a bibliography, IMO.

Just in case you misunderstood, I wasn't asking for a summary of the whole theory. I was only asking about how things would be enforced. It seems to me that there should be a Cliff Notes version answer to that question.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I was only thanking him for offering to give me book titles. Even though I wanted to hear someone here answer your question in their own words.

They can't. And they won't. If they were going to answer it, they would have. They aren't capable.

 

[Natural Citizen]

$#@! right off with that, $#@!. That is a damn lie and you know it. (or perhaps "libertine" is just a "big" word that you just learned and don't fully understand and are trying to look smart with? regardless, you're wrong)

I've read your posts, Mr. My first Divine Liturgy experience.

 

[CCTelander]

You really can't just "summarize" any theory. (Otherwise it wouldn't be systematic enough to be good theory) That would leave holes in it that beg questions needing more summary. Any summary you could get would leave you with questions requiring you to refer to source material in a bibliography, IMO.

You only say that because you're such a libertine. I know this because the omniscient Natural Citizen, in his/her revealed word through posts on this very board, has revealed same.

That one is bent somehow methinks.

 

[Origanalist]

You only say that because you're such a libertine. I know this because the omniscient Natural Citizen, in his/her revealed word through posts on this very board, has revealed same.

That one is bent somehow methinks.

Just a tad.

 

[Natural Citizen]

File not found.

See, this is why we can't trust you half-wits to do stuff. Ya gotta be told how to do everything. Fix it, dumbass. I'm interested in what kind of romper room antics were going through your little mind.

 

[Origanalist]

I think not, must be your computer is corrupted.

 

[CCTelander]

I think not, must be your computer is corrupted.

I saw it just fine. Apparently NC isn't quite as omniscient as I thought. Now my faith is shaken. I don't know what to believe.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think not, must be your computer is corrupted.

[h=2]404 - File or directory not found.[/h] [h=3]The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.[/h]



https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/60501210/somebody-get-this-bitch-a-$#@!ing-straight-jacket.jpg

 

[Origanalist]

[h=2]404 - File or directory not found.[/h] [h=3]The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.[/h]



https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/60501210/somebody-get-this-bitch-a-$#@!ing-straight-jacket.jpg

Huh, you too then? Y'all must have the same virus.

 

[RJB]

Huh, you too then? Y'all must have the same virus.

My computer showed it-- just saying. (As for the argument, I am sitting this one out with a bowl of popcorn.)

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I was only thanking him for offering to give me book titles. Even though I wanted to hear someone here answer your question in their own words.





Just in case you misunderstood, I wasn't asking for a summary of the whole theory. I was only asking about how things would be enforced. It seems to me that there should be a Cliff Notes version answer to that question.

pull quote:

Arbitration is a purely voluntaryist means of settling societal disputes. In an interesting insight on means and ends, Bruce Benson, Murray Rothbard, and others have noted that customary law and the private sector must provide the underlying foundation of property rights for the free market system. It is impossible in the nature of things for a compulsory, monopoly legal system to supply the laws required by a totally competitive system. "Politically dictated rules" and statutory law are "not designed to support the market system; in fact, government-made law is likely to do precisely the opposite." A coercive, non-competitive judicial system simply cannot be made to define property rights because it is based upon the supremacy of the political sovereign. In its absence, a customary law system based on private property and personal property rights would evolve, and arbitration would become one of the major ways of settling disputes.

Full essay with bibliography here:

[h=2]Stateless, Not Lawless: Voluntaryism & Arbitration[/h] [h=4]by Carl Watner
Number 84 - Feb 1997[/h]
I'll post more about this if/when I have time.