Should immunizations be forced?

The biggest "scare" out there is the bird flu. Bird flu can be cured by kimchi. (A Korean dish made of fermented cabbage).

I can't believe the stupidity level here! YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL GOING TO KILL US>

Why don't you go buy Kevin Trudeau's home remedies for $29.00 instead of vaccinating your children.

He's probably got a trick with Vick's Vapor Rub over toast or something.
 
Ummm, the Amish have far less disease and do not have many of the diseases others do have.

There are benefits to isolating yourself from the world.

I work with a man whose child was vaccinated at 18 months and promptly went into a seizure and is now autistic.

Anecdotal evidence.

Not getting vaccinated is an educated choice not a crazy choice, the crazy choice is believing vaccines work without actual proof that they do.

It is the consensus among medical and scientific communities that vaccination is the most effective and cost effective way of preventing infectious diseases.

When you get a vaccine, but still end up with the disease, what do they tell you? They say it was a strain not included in the vaccine (see the flu shot for excessive common occurance).

Because they ARE different strains, are you saying they're LYING? They can prove this stuff!

Vaccines are a waste of time and money, and on top of that they are definitely not safe.

You're crazy.

You are welcome to get vaccines if you so desire, but don't you dare tell others they have to subject themselves or their children to such risk.

I will, because every non-vaccinated person is a risk to every vaccinated person. They are dangers to society, and as such should be imprisoned or deported.

How would you like to raise an austistic child and know that it was because you were forced to give him a dangerous shot?

Flip that around with the child who got some deadly disease because he wasn't vaccinated.
 
There are benefits to isolating yourself from the world.



Anecdotal evidence.



It is the consensus among medical and scientific communities that vaccination is the most effective and cost effective way of preventing infectious diseases.



Because they ARE different strains, are you saying they're LYING? They can prove this stuff!



You're crazy.



I will, because every non-vaccinated person is a risk to every vaccinated person. They are dangers to society, and as such should be imprisoned or deported.



Flip that around with the child who got some deadly disease because he wasn't vaccinated.

Everything you know about this topic is complete shit. I work with this crap, every, single day. I know what these things do, and I know how many fucking times we've tried to post findings in every magazine, every publication, and every time we've been shot down, when we have real, measurable, reproducible results from years of study. Quote every wiki reference or obscure bullshit website you want, and it won't change the fact that you are operating solely on borrowed, fake, "facts", just like every other comment I've seen you spew on this board, all regurgitated, unoriginal, shit, based on mindless philosophy, group think, and the most horrible science I have ever heard of.

You would have been the doctor in the middle ages that thought bleeding an anemic dry would have saved his life.

Don't comment on this topic again, you are nothing but a useful idiot.
 
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Everything you know about this topic is complete shit.

Perhaps. I have been conditioned, and I don't use this in the pejorative, to accept that vaccination is an effective tool for the prevention of infectious disease. When someone challenges that idea, before I accept it as my own, I must look at their facts critically, and understand the opposition.

I work with this crap, every, single day. I know what these things do, and I know how many fucking times we've tried to post findings in every magazine, every publication, and every time we've been shot down, when we have real, measurable, reproducible results from years of study.

You think you know what "these things do". This is not absolute, it's not that vaccines are perfect and have 0 side effects or vaccines never work, are always poison and the government uses them to keep people complicit. They can work, and have rare side effects, or they can not work, and have many side effects. Proving, like the previous poster tried to do, that a certain company does not follow rules and regulations concerning proper manufacturing of vaccines, does not mean anything more than one company did not follow rules and regulations.

Quote every wiki reference or obscure bullshit website you want, and it won't change the fact that you are operating solely on borrowed, fake, "facts", just like every other comment I've seen you spew on this board, all regurgitated, unoriginal, shit, based on mindless philosophy, group think, and the most horrible science I have ever heard of.

My references are not 'obscure bullshit', I would dare to say that your references are 'obscure bullshit''. I cite well-known, peer-reviewed medical journals, while you use your questionable experience, anecdotal evidence, and personal attacks to further your case. I don't know what you imply by saying

1) my facts are 'borrowed' -> why yes they are, I do not conduct my own studies. You may, as you have indicated in this post, but you also said you couldn't get them published, which leads me to question your credibility.

2) my facts are 'fake' -> you have not one rebuttal to the hard data.

and putting the word fact in quote, as if you can put it on equal ground with your own theories about vaccination. It is nothing short of a bastardization of the English language, much like the Christian transformation of the scientific use of the word 'theory' of the theory of Evolution to the layman's term, a hunch, on equal footing with Creationism.

You would have been the doctor in the middle ages that thought bleeding an anemic dry would have saved his life.

If I were a doctor in the middle ages, I probably would, if that was standard medical practice at the time. Looks like you're trying to imply that you are somehow enlightened; above the scientific community in your thinking. I think you're a quack, and that your ideas are dangerous.

Don't comment on this topic again, you are nothing but a useful idiot.

Useful to whom? The Medical Industrial Complex? The Government? :rolleyes:
 
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If I were a doctor in the middle ages, I probably would, if that was standard medical practice at the time. Looks like you're trying to imply that you are somehow enlightened; above the scientific community in your thinking. I think you're a quack, and that your ideas are dangerous.

I think you are an uninformed piece of meat, incapable of any original thought. Unable to do your own research you have to rely on the words of and thoughts of someone else. Wether or not it is wrong is completely irrelevant to you, because you are not smart enough to know the difference. The type of person you are, the incredibly "ignorant but thinks they know what they are talking about because they heard a discussion once and read a three paragraph essay on why people need to be vaccinated" type. There are millions of idiotic-know-nothing-but-what-they-are-tolds world wide. That type of person I just described, you in short, is the most dangerous type of person on the planet. You refuse to think, you want and need others to handle that for you.
 
OKay, this discussion has gotten ridiculous. Seriously, there are unexamined assumptions all over both sides of this argument, but the pro-vaxers in this conversation have yet to clash with the content of any my posts. Can we pick just one issue, to start?

How about pertussis? Let's talk about herd immunity, incidence/mortality, effectiveness, ingredients, and side effects, for just this component of this vaccine.

Tell me why you would administer this shot to your infant. Make the case. Forget the politics of the issue, because they are obvious and clear cut and it is an intellectual atrocity to suggest that, in a free society, the government should have the authority to force injections. Let's just get to the science.
 
to me vaccinations being forced on the public is going against my right to do with my body as I please.

I believe the dosages are not right and are too high for infants and the elderly. I cannot understand the reason behind using mercury and other toxins as preservatives.

I think the health care industry ought to study more on immunity and using blanket tactics such as vaccinating the masses with their standardized dosages.
 
Hell no. Of course not. Plus, if you immunize yourself, then you shouldn't really have to worry about others refusing to get theirs, right? ;)
 
Pertussis is a great one to begin the conversation. I can't wait to see the arguments FOR vaccinating all humans against pertussis beginning at a few weeks old.

To pp, you can opt out of vaccinations required for school (though I'd recommend not sending your child to a govt run school at all). There are waivers you can fill out in almost all states. West VA is a toughie but even there it is doable.
 
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