Should I vote for Ron Paul or Obama in PA?

[tstorey]

You're kidding right?

This is like a prank or a joke or a trick, right?

You have to think about voting for the doc?

What!?

You need help with this?

You come to Ron Paul Forums and ask who to vote for?

What, you go to the Budweiser factory tour and ask for a miller lite?

You at the Hershey plant looking for Nestle crunch?

You go to France for good chili?

Vote for Dr. Paul....duh.

 

[OptionsTrader]

Watch this, then decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boPXMa73YxI

 

[TastyWheat]

The Dems and Reps don't want what's best for the country, they want what's best for their party. You see real Republicans from all over the country praising the RINO John McCain. Then you see half the politicians in Washington supporting Obama and the other half supporting Clinton (50/50 is just a guess). These people are all corrupt so why would they support someone who's going to make them shape up?

They do this every election cycle. They prop up a few candidates and the rest are DOA. Once they have their drones picked out you get to choose which status quo to uphold.

 

[IRO-bot]

Nice, Two people on these boards I listen to and trust.

John M. Drake
Randy a.k.a. Revolution9

Good men, great patriots.

 

[Misesian]

- voted to reauthorize the patriot act

- won't take nuking Iran off the table

- said stuff about keeping the troops in Iraq for a few more years

- is a member of CFR

- is a tool of one of the major parties

(am I answering my own question here?)

The bottomline is, and people need to realize this, is that your vote will not determine who the president is. Your vote is an endorsement of policies. You can either endorse the above, or endorse what Paul stands for.

There is a greater chance that John McCain becomes John McCroak and Ron Paul gets the GOP nod vs. your single individual vote actually determining the outcome of the Democratic primary in PA.

 

[Mandrik]

I'm looking forward to finally being able to vote for Ron Paul here in Pennsylvania.+

 

[d03boy]

vote for who you ideally would want to win, even if it's not possible

 

[Matthew P.]

You should vote for Ron Paul, end of story. He needs every vote that he can get. He did say in his video broadcast that we still need as many delegates and votes as possible in the remaining states and in the states that are moving up in the levels of delegates (i.e. from precinct to district to state to national, etc.).

Vote Paul and you'll never have to regret making a bad decision later. (I have a bumper sticker that says "don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul."

 

[Jamsie 567]

If you have to think about it you should probably vote for Obama.

Ron Paul for the ones who get it =D

 

[RonPaulCult]

I woke up this morning thinking about this. I've made up my mind to stick with my plan of voting for Ron Paul. Please understand I only ever questioned it because the republican election has been decided while the democrats are still sorting it out.

I figure yes - Obama MAY very well do a better job than Clinton at getting out of Iraq. Yes Clinton is more likely to bomb Iran than Obama.

But Obama seems quite determined to send more troops to Afghanistan and to bomb Pakistan. What is the point in voting for somebody that will bomb those countires and not the others? Just because my girlfriend is from Iran? Other people's families live in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

No thanks. I'm going to vote for the peace candidate and feel good about my vote. If Clinton wins PA by one vote and becomes president I won't blame myself. I will blame that millions that actually did cast a vote for her.

Everybody should be joining us and voting Ron Paul. I'm sick of having to join the uninformed people and vote for the lesser of evils just because that's what the masses force us to do every single time.

Anyway thanks so much for all of the feedback. Some of you think this is a joke but I take voting and presidential elections very seriously. I knew I could come here and be given firm reasons to still vote Ron Paul at this late stage and many of you delivered. So seriously - a big thank you!

 

[Sarge]

You made a great and wise decision.

Please make sure you know which delegates to vote for in PA. That is where it will be won for the future.

Check out the PA sub forum. Make sure you have someone in the PA meetup groups let you know which ones are our delegates.

Take the delegates away from McCain.

Good Luck!

 

[wgadget]

Didn't read your post, but my first thought is....

DUH.

 

[Drea]

Didn't read your post, but my first thought is....

DUH.

+1000

My sentiments exactly.

I've seen others around the board giving this guy a 'pass' on this ridiculous thread and attacking others as trolls. Their excuse was that this guy seriously did have some concerns and was not being a troll or shit stirrer.

Wait a minute! This guy's sign up date was in July 2007. You think after being around that long and having the user name of "RonPaulCult" that he would even have to think about it?

For another member of this forum, they were ready to ban him (have a poll going on it and everything) after a bunch of people miscontrued a statement by him (thinking -CLEARLY MISTAKENLY!- that this man said he was going to vote for Obama).

And here you have someone who is stating he is actually considering it --and people are being all nice.

Amazing. Amazing.

Drea

 

[RonPaulCult]

+1000

My sentiments exactly.

I've seen others around the board giving this guy a 'pass' on this ridiculous thread and attacking others as trolls. Their excuse was that this guy seriously did have some concerns and was not being a troll or shit stirrer.

Wait a minute! This guy's sign up date was in July 2007. You think after being around that long and having the user name of "RonPaulCult" that he would even have to think about it?

For another member of this forum, they were ready to ban him (have a poll going on it and everything) after a bunch of people miscontrued a statement by him (thinking -CLEARLY MISTAKENLY!- that this man said he was going to vote for Obama).

And here you have someone who is stating he is actually considering it --and people are being all nice.

Amazing. Amazing.

Drea

Um things have changed since July 2007. Like for example Ron Paul lost the election since July 2007. But yeah that's right - don't be nice to me - be mean - ban me. That's the way to build up the masses to change our country.

Give me a break

 

[uncollapse]

Um things have changed since July 2007. Like for example Ron Paul lost the election since July 2007. But yeah that's right - don't be nice to me - be mean - ban me. That's the way to build up the masses to change our country.

Give me a break

You commited 2 judgemental mistakes.

1) To ask RP people who you should vote for. You expect an Obama?
2) You had chosen the wrong winner. Obama WILL NOT WIN. So you should be asking, McCain or Hillary.

 

[Luft97]

...even though he will tax and spend us into the ground (just like McCain and Clinton I might add) he has good intentions...

Even if you believe he has good intentions, have you never heard "The road to Hell was paved with good intentions."?

I myself think he is the worst one out there. He is using smoke and mirrors tactics to no end. Sure he wants to end the war in Iraq but he does not say so much about his aims to expand the "War on Terror" to other places. He gives people a false hope which is MUCH more destructive.

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

"Should I vote for Ron Paul or Obama in PA?"

.......

Your kidding right?

I'd rather send the message that I'm done voting for the person the media picks out for me, than get a misguided feeling that my vote wasn't "wasted". Because if you vote for any of the three that were picked out for us you are really wasting your vote on more of what we have now.

 

[rodent]

I am looking for advice on what I should do in the next few weeks. You can change your party affiliation in Pennsylvania still and our primary is in late April.

Everybody is saying that PA will be THE state choosing between Obama and Clinton. That's a huge responsibility. I don't trust Obama but he does SAY he will end the war. I want the war to end more than anything else - even more than all of the other things that Ron Paul stands for.

I know some here still think Ron Paul can become president - and I don't want to focus on that in this thread. Let's agree to disagree. I don't think the movement is over but I think the presidential campaign is.

With that said - I would throw up if Clinton becomes president. I know she is pure evil. Obama might be pure evil too. For example I know he:

- voted to reauthorize the patriot act

- won't take nuking Iran off the table

- said stuff about keeping the troops in Iraq for a few more years

- is a member of CFR

- is a tool of one of the major parties

(am I answering my own question here?)


but there is a part of me that wonders - even though he will tax and spend us into the ground (just like McCain and Clinton I might add) he has good intentions. Clearly he is the least of the three evils. And I even get the feeling Ron Paul likes him (though he rightly seems to believe he is misguided)

Voting for Ron Paul in PA would only help get him delegates at the convention. It won't make him president. But my vote COULD make Obama president. So please tell me - how best can I use my vote in this situation? I want to do what is best for my country and I'm not afraid to use the system against the system (that is change parties at the last possible moment to vote one for a candidate I don't like in order to prevent another candidate I dislike even more from winning.)

I disagree with the others. Our time to shine was in New Hampshire and we didn't. Obama claims to want to legalize marijuana and end the war. Clinton and McCain would be disastrous. Clinton's top donors are all defense companies. If I lived in PA, I'd vote for Obama.

He isn't change either, but at least he's not as dirtied as Clinton or McCain. Clinton and McCain = 100% guarantee for politics as usual. Obama - 95% guarantee for politics as usual.

 

[rodent]

Even if you believe he has good intentions, have you never heard "The road to Hell was paved with good intentions."?

I myself think he is the worst one out there. He is using smoke and mirrors tactics to no end. Sure he wants to end the war in Iraq but he does not say so much about his aims to expand the "War on Terror" to other places. He gives people a false hope which is MUCH more destructive.

I don't believe this either. This would be the best case scenario for us. If he goes against his message of hope and change, the people will notice. That will set up the country for a 3rd party finally.

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

He isn't change either, but at least he's not as dirtied as Clinton or McCain. Clinton and McCain = 100% guarantee for politics as usual. Obama - 95% guarantee for politics as usual.

If you can settle for a 95% dirtbag, go ahead I guess...

I know I can't, and never will again. That's probably the most important lesson I've picked up in this campaign... That we don't HAVE to settle for the lesser of two evils, and as long as we do compromise on this issue, things will never change.