Should I vote for Ron Paul or Obama in PA?

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I am looking for advice on what I should do in the next few weeks. You can change your party affiliation in Pennsylvania still and our primary is in late April.

Everybody is saying that PA will be THE state choosing between Obama and Clinton. That's a huge responsibility. I don't trust Obama but he does SAY he will end the war. I want the war to end more than anything else - even more than all of the other things that Ron Paul stands for.

I know some here still think Ron Paul can become president - and I don't want to focus on that in this thread. Let's agree to disagree. I don't think the movement is over but I think the presidential campaign is.

With that said - I would throw up if Clinton becomes president. I know she is pure evil. Obama might be pure evil too. For example I know he:

- voted to reauthorize the patriot act

- won't take nuking Iran off the table

- said stuff about keeping the troops in Iraq for a few more years

- is a member of CFR

- is a tool of one of the major parties

(am I answering my own question here?)


but there is a part of me that wonders - even though he will tax and spend us into the ground (just like McCain and Clinton I might add) he has good intentions. Clearly he is the least of the three evils. And I even get the feeling Ron Paul likes him (though he rightly seems to believe he is misguided)

Voting for Ron Paul in PA would only help get him delegates at the convention. It won't make him president. But my vote COULD make Obama president. So please tell me - how best can I use my vote in this situation? I want to do what is best for my country and I'm not afraid to use the system against the system (that is change parties at the last possible moment to vote one for a candidate I don't like in order to prevent another candidate I dislike even more from winning.)
 
Ten years from now when this country has completely gone to hell I want to be able to look my children in the eye and say "Daddy did NOT vote for Hillary/McCain/Obama".

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
Voting for the lesser of evil gets you more evil. We must change the mindset of America and vote based on our principals no matter what! We are screwed no matter who wins between the above mentioned.
 
even if your vote is the one that makes obama president, who's to say he won't nominate clinton VP?
 
Ten years from now when this country has completely gone to hell I want to be able to look my children in the eye and say "Daddy did NOT vote for Hillary/McCain/Obama".

Regards,

John M. Drake

+1000
 
Voting for the lesser of evil gets you more evil. We must change the mindset of America and vote based on our principals no matter what! We are screwed no matter who wins between the above mentioned.

Yeah we are more likely than not screwed. But these are very serious times. Do I think Obama would attack Iran? MAYBE but I think not. Do I think Clinton would? HELL YES. That's heavy because it's true that my vote POSSIBLY could decide whether or not innocent people in Iran die.
 
Obama's foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brezinski. Google him. [MOD: FLAGGED, DANGEROUS LANGUAGE, REDACTED]
 
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I'm sad that you even have to ask!

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You're fucking pissing me off!

p.s. And since no-one else has said it, you are a [MOD: FLAGGED, LANGUAGE, REDACTED] Obama troll.
 
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I am looking for advice on what I should do in the next few weeks. You can change your party affiliation in Pennsylvania still and our primary is in late April.

Everybody is saying that PA will be THE state choosing between Obama and Clinton. That's a huge responsibility. I don't trust Obama but he does SAY he will end the war. I want the war to end more than anything else - even more than all of the other things that Ron Paul stands for.

I know some here still think Ron Paul can become president - and I don't want to focus on that in this thread. Let's agree to disagree. I don't think the movement is over but I think the presidential campaign is.

With that said - I would throw up if Clinton becomes president. I know she is pure evil. Obama might be pure evil too. For example I know he:

- voted to reauthorize the patriot act

- won't take nuking Iran off the table

- said stuff about keeping the troops in Iraq for a few more years

- is a member of CFR

- is a tool of one of the major parties

(am I answering my own question here?)


but there is a part of me that wonders - even though he will tax and spend us into the ground (just like McCain and Clinton I might add) he has good intentions. Clearly he is the least of the three evils. And I even get the feeling Ron Paul likes him (though he rightly seems to believe he is misguided)

Voting for Ron Paul in PA would only help get him delegates at the convention. It won't make him president. But my vote COULD make Obama president. So please tell me - how best can I use my vote in this situation? I want to do what is best for my country and I'm not afraid to use the system against the system (that is change parties at the last possible moment to vote one for a candidate I don't like in order to prevent another candidate I dislike even more from winning.)

WTF, mate?
 
Are you looking for a cult leader or an anti-war, pro-liberty candidate?

Obama is unlikely to back up his words with actions. He made a very pretty speech against the PATRIOT Act in the Senate, then voted for it. Ron Paul simply growled, "It's unConstitutional" and backed that up by voting against it.

Besides, Obama really doesn't need your help. We need your help. The more young voters who stubbornly vote for Ron Paul whether or not anyone says or thinks he has a chance, the more people will notice those numbers and say, gee, if I join them, maybe my vote will make a real difference. No revolution? Believe in evolution? Join it!

Make sense, young friend?
 
Clinton as the Dem nominee opens up room for an anti-war third party. Hopefully Ron but maybe someone else. So don't vote Obama.
 
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