Shots fired, Bundy arrested

negotiator?

What is here to negotiate? and negotiate with who?

they are in a very simple place and seem to have come to terms with it. ,,,,,,,,,well the state and federal authorities , primarily state-- for freedom, It exposes nationally the issues at hand and that cant hurt. just my two cents ,seems to me their is a lot of issues going on .
 
LIVE: Rolling Protest
Edited to add - Just heard her say this is a "precursor for Monday, and on Monday they are planning a huge rally.."
 
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Thor said:
If you watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4nKVCcLjxU), at the end... the guy in the brown behind the black pickup tailgate.... looks like it could be he fires a shot and then runs back to the front of the silver pick up after getting a shot off... that is the the same time LaVoy reaches down to his waist / rib area and I think grabs the spot he was shot, not going for a gun... but maybe he was grabbing a gun after being shot at... you know, before they took off driving, and when crashing into the snow bank getting riddled with bullets....
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Somebody else concurs with the man in brown who gets off a shot and runs back to the silver pick up...

 
"You take the high road,, and I'll take the low road.".

I was banned from THR,,
 
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Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton, Comments to story: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=565728000243012&id=435691143246699[h=1]Second Eyewitness: Chronicling the Tragic Ambush and Murder of LaVoy Finicum[/h]
Second eyewitness, Shawna Cox, from inside the truck with LaVoy Finicum tells the same story as the first. Both of them from their own perspective, both with the same major details.
1) At the first stop Law Enforcement fired shots at them after they had their empty hands out the window.
*Law Enforcement has allowed the media to go with the narrative that excludes that information for two days now. Why would they knowingly allow a false narrative?
2)The supposed "eyewitness" MARK - who got the media in a frenzy reporting that LaVoy "charged" the officers - was the person who insisted they ride together in those two vehicles and made them hurry. His video that the media took as an eyewitness account showed him as being adamant that LaVoy was NOT shot in cold blood. Shawna Cox says he was lying and that they were all saying he was shot in cold blood.
*Who put this guy up to leading the media with false information like that? Shawna says he was new there and had only been there a few days, but he orchestrated the timing of the trip to the other county. This "Mark" made another video yesterday recanting his account, but we have heard nothing of that in the media. Why would the media refuse to correct a mistake like that? And if this guy was being used by law enforcement why, after all the denials of harassing Burns residents, would no one consider the possibility that someone was put up to harassing them just to make the protesters look dangerous?
3) The eyewitness says they were fired upon right away and LaVoy and the vehicle was under fire as he exited with his hands up. She thinks hundreds of rounds were fired.
*Initial FBI reports claimed three rounds were fired. Why would they report that?
4) Shawna claims they were fired upon for a long period of time in the vehicle as if they were trying to make sure everyone in the vehicle was killed before finally stopping. The 18 year old girl was screaming for them to stop. She also claims she started making a video before they reached the snowbank and they have taken it.
*Why would they do that? Why fire into a truck when no one had even been given an opportunity to surrender? Why do it for a number of minutes. Why produce a video with no sound? And again, why the initial claim of 3 shots fired?
5) The only inconsistency is that Shawna said LaVoy had his regular firearm on his hip. Victoria said that he put his hands out and said he was unarmed.
*If he had his regular firearm on his hip why would the FBI claim he had a 9mm semi automatic in his coat pocket and not mention the one on his hip? Why would Fox News last night claim he had a 40 caliber in his pocket? There is reported video of one of the occupiers who left the refuge after his death wearing LeVoy's revolver and holster that he had left at the refuge for his trip to the meeting. Could this be why the FBI never made a claim that he had a firearm on his hip? And could Shawna have just assumed he had it on because he wore it all the time at the refuge? These are questions that need to be answered.
6) Both witnesses say LaVoy was adamant that he was going to the Sheriff. It was a place where he could have refuge and supposed safety. Once they fired on them at the first stop he was trying to get to the Sheriff of Grant County.
*If this is the case he was running TO law enforcement not FROM them.
The girls stated that they refused to get out of the truck at the first stop for fear of their lives after shots were fired. With an open road ahead and a friendly Sheriff in the next town it appears LaVoy was trying to save lives. Where is the main stream media on this?
7) Both ladies stated he was shot with his hands in the air. Both say shots were fired on the truck before they were given any opportunity to surrender for a long period of time.
*Why would they do that? How was a truck with windows up, an imminent danger to them? Were they expecting to have no survivors? Shawna even goes on to say that after they surrendered and were in cuffs they were asked if anyone was in the truck. When they said no, Law Enforcement didn't believe them and fired more rounds into the truck. Why would they do that? And how does that line up with the reported 3 shots fired?
These are questions the media should have been asking long ago.
What has happened to our media? It is a national disgrace.
I, along with many Americans are calling on Law Enforcement to produce all the video of this tragedy.
We are calling for you to produce the truck and the evidence of the three shots you reported.
We are calling for video with audio of the first stop and an answer as to why you allowed the media to mislead the people into thinking LaVoy just took off for unknown reasons.
We want answers.
I am personally calling for at least ONE officer who is willing to come forward and tell America the truth, good or bad. Verify the shots at the first stop, verify the details of the entire event. The media will not do their job. Someone needs to step up and show America that they can put their faith in Law Enforcement. We are begging you to restore faith in Law Enforcement that has been lost. If mistakes were made NOW is the time to just tell the truth and let the healing of our nation begin. If mistakes were not made we still need to know.
As of this writing there are still four protesters at the refuge who were told they would be free to go right after LaVoy was killed. Now they are being told they can go, but one of them has to face charges. They do not believe the FBI anymore. They think they are going to die.
I am asking any and all honest Law Enforcement officers to go to Burns Oregon and provide them safe passage out. To date the most harm they have done is a little property damage. It isn't worth watching them die or seeing any more bloodshed just because they no longer trust the word of the FBI. This is not the time to provoke scared men and women into a gunfight!
And lastly someone must look into the cause of all of this and shut down FBI and BLM operations in Burns till they come to the truth of what these ranchers who are now tearing up their agreements have had to go through. With hundreds of people coming to the meetings just like the ones LaVoy was on his way to they all can't be lying. We have to get to the bottom of it, and fast.
I'm just an Assemblywoman. I have no authority to ask anyone to do anything. I'm calling this out as an American who is tired of the lies, tired of the misleading reporting, and tired of the fear.
Please, let's begin restoring trust and healing our nation.

http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/...gic-ambush-and-murder-of-lavoy-finicum-video/



 
1) At the first stop Law Enforcement fired shots at them after they had their empty hands out the window.

...

6) Both witnesses say LaVoy was adamant that he was going to the Sheriff. It was a place where he could have refuge and supposed safety. Once they fired on them at the first stop he was trying to get to the Sheriff of Grant County.
*If this is the case he was running TO law enforcement not FROM them.
The girls stated that they refused to get out of the truck at the first stop for fear of their lives after shots were fired. With an open road ahead and a friendly Sheriff in the next town it appears LaVoy was trying to save lives. Where is the main stream media on this?
...

4) Shawna claims they were fired upon for a long period of time in the vehicle as if they were trying to make sure everyone in the vehicle was killed before finally stopping. The 18 year old girl was screaming for them to stop.
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Excellent point.
 
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PursuePeace said:
Excellent point.
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MSM is controlled. It is the mouth organ of the government. All it does is regurgitate it's empty pablum into the craw of it's hatchlings. Hatchlings that think they gain nourishment and succor from it when in reality they are left malnourished and maladjusted so that they will never survive without the feeder.
 
libertyjam said:
[h=1][/h]
Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton, Comments to story: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=565728000243012&id=435691143246699[h=1]Second Eyewitness: Chronicling the Tragic Ambush and Murder of LaVoy Finicum[/h]
Second eyewitness, Shawna Cox, from inside the truck with LaVoy Finicum tells the same story as the first. Both of them from their own perspective, both with the same major details.
1) At the first stop Law Enforcement fired shots at them after they had their empty hands out the window.
*Law Enforcement has allowed the media to go with the narrative that excludes that information for two days now. Why would they knowingly allow a false narrative?
2)The supposed "eyewitness" MARK - who got the media in a frenzy reporting that LaVoy "charged" the officers - was the person who insisted they ride together in those two vehicles and made them hurry. His video that the media took as an eyewitness account showed him as being adamant that LaVoy was NOT shot in cold blood. Shawna Cox says he was lying and that they were all saying he was shot in cold blood.
*Who put this guy up to leading the media with false information like that? Shawna says he was new there and had only been there a few days, but he orchestrated the timing of the trip to the other county. This "Mark" made another video yesterday recanting his account, but we have heard nothing of that in the media. Why would the media refuse to correct a mistake like that? And if this guy was being used by law enforcement why, after all the denials of harassing Burns residents, would no one consider the possibility that someone was put up to harassing them just to make the protesters look dangerous?
3) The eyewitness says they were fired upon right away and LaVoy and the vehicle was under fire as he exited with his hands up. She thinks hundreds of rounds were fired.
*Initial FBI reports claimed three rounds were fired. Why would they report that?
4) Shawna claims they were fired upon for a long period of time in the vehicle as if they were trying to make sure everyone in the vehicle was killed before finally stopping. The 18 year old girl was screaming for them to stop. She also claims she started making a video before they reached the snowbank and they have taken it.
*Why would they do that? Why fire into a truck when no one had even been given an opportunity to surrender? Why do it for a number of minutes. Why produce a video with no sound? And again, why the initial claim of 3 shots fired?
5) The only inconsistency is that Shawna said LaVoy had his regular firearm on his hip. Victoria said that he put his hands out and said he was unarmed.
*If he had his regular firearm on his hip why would the FBI claim he had a 9mm semi automatic in his coat pocket and not mention the one on his hip? Why would Fox News last night claim he had a 40 caliber in his pocket? There is reported video of one of the occupiers who left the refuge after his death wearing LeVoy's revolver and holster that he had left at the refuge for his trip to the meeting. Could this be why the FBI never made a claim that he had a firearm on his hip? And could Shawna have just assumed he had it on because he wore it all the time at the refuge? These are questions that need to be answered.
6) Both witnesses say LaVoy was adamant that he was going to the Sheriff. It was a place where he could have refuge and supposed safety. Once they fired on them at the first stop he was trying to get to the Sheriff of Grant County.
*If this is the case he was running TO law enforcement not FROM them.
The girls stated that they refused to get out of the truck at the first stop for fear of their lives after shots were fired. With an open road ahead and a friendly Sheriff in the next town it appears LaVoy was trying to save lives. Where is the main stream media on this?
7) Both ladies stated he was shot with his hands in the air. Both say shots were fired on the truck before they were given any opportunity to surrender for a long period of time.
*Why would they do that? How was a truck with windows up, an imminent danger to them? Were they expecting to have no survivors? Shawna even goes on to say that after they surrendered and were in cuffs they were asked if anyone was in the truck. When they said no, Law Enforcement didn't believe them and fired more rounds into the truck. Why would they do that? And how does that line up with the reported 3 shots fired?
These are questions the media should have been asking long ago.
What has happened to our media? It is a national disgrace.
I, along with many Americans are calling on Law Enforcement to produce all the video of this tragedy.
We are calling for you to produce the truck and the evidence of the three shots you reported.
We are calling for video with audio of the first stop and an answer as to why you allowed the media to mislead the people into thinking LaVoy just took off for unknown reasons.
We want answers.
I am personally calling for at least ONE officer who is willing to come forward and tell America the truth, good or bad. Verify the shots at the first stop, verify the details of the entire event. The media will not do their job. Someone needs to step up and show America that they can put their faith in Law Enforcement. We are begging you to restore faith in Law Enforcement that has been lost. If mistakes were made NOW is the time to just tell the truth and let the healing of our nation begin. If mistakes were not made we still need to know.
As of this writing there are still four protesters at the refuge who were told they would be free to go right after LaVoy was killed. Now they are being told they can go, but one of them has to face charges. They do not believe the FBI anymore. They think they are going to die.
I am asking any and all honest Law Enforcement officers to go to Burns Oregon and provide them safe passage out. To date the most harm they have done is a little property damage. It isn't worth watching them die or seeing any more bloodshed just because they no longer trust the word of the FBI. This is not the time to provoke scared men and women into a gunfight!
And lastly someone must look into the cause of all of this and shut down FBI and BLM operations in Burns till they come to the truth of what these ranchers who are now tearing up their agreements have had to go through. With hundreds of people coming to the meetings just like the ones LaVoy was on his way to they all can't be lying. We have to get to the bottom of it, and fast.
I'm just an Assemblywoman. I have no authority to ask anyone to do anything. I'm calling this out as an American who is tired of the lies, tired of the misleading reporting, and tired of the fear.
Please, let's begin restoring trust and healing our nation.

http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/...gic-ambush-and-murder-of-lavoy-finicum-video/
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I want to see the truck. I want to hear the audio that you know damned well was recorded. It will further corroborate the witnesses. I hope the Finicum family attorney demands it.
 
In that newest video, with the zoom in it is clearly seen that the video blurs at the exact moment the agent at the vehicle appears to have fired the first shot, I wonder if that was intentionally edited in by the FBI prior to release?
 
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