i don't know. I really don't think it will, or can happen, and besides, i don't like the idea of good men being killed like that. Working through the courts is our best hope now, and i hope the courts take pity on the Constitution...and us.
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i don't know. I really don't think it will, or can happen, and besides, i don't like the idea of good men being killed like that. Working through the courts is our best hope now, and i hope the courts take pity on the Constitution...and us.
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Sorry, the "courts" are bought and paid for. Nothing good likely to come out of there...
I can't make a determination from that video. But my gut feeling is that the cops got jumpy and overreacted when he lowered his hands to his side and shot him dead. I think he would be alive right now even after running if he kept his hands up. My thought is the blame for this mainly falls on the cops, but i have some doubt of possible suicide by cop because of his prior statements. But I can't wrap my head around why what seems like a decent family guy would want to die like this.
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I don't either. it happened.. and it keeps happening. and it will keep happening until somehow these armed gangs are stopped.
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He was running because they wanted him stopped where he died.
That is where the ambush was set.
They were not supposed to stop early,,they were not approached as a "traffic stop".. they were coaxed down the road.
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I have been wondering, what ever happened to those Idaho III that covertly assembled a few weeks ago, there was supposedly upwards of 100-200 that moved in over several days, Pete Santilli had interviewed the organizer (can't recall his name), I have not heard anything about them after that.
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The mighty Will Grigg:
Tyranny, Defiance, and the Death of LaVoy Finicum
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2016/01/tyranny-defiance-and-death-of-lavoy.html
William Norman Grigg (28 January 2016)
LaVoy Finicum, who was shot at a roadblock by Oregon State Troopers and left to bleed to death in the snow, was not a violent criminal. He and his colleagues from the group calling itself Citizens for Constitutional Freedom were traveling to John Day, Oregon to organize political resistance to federal control over lands in the western United States.
After trying to run the roadblock, Finicum plowed his vehicle into a snowbank. He exited with his hands in the air, staggering in the snow before making a motion with his right hand that the FBI claims was an effort to grab a handgun. Another possibility is that Finicum, as some witnesses claim, was shot while his hands were raised in a posture of surrender, and that his subsequent movements were involuntary.
The carefully planned ambush, which displayed detailed intelligence regarding the plans of Finicum and his friends, was a joint operation between the FBI and the Oregon State Police. It was was not carried out in defense of persons or property, but to enforce the will of those in control of the Regime. Finicum, a 55-year-old rancher from Arizona, had become the subject of a federal warrant after renouncing his grazing contract with the Washington-based usurpers who control range lands in that state.
The night before he was killed on Oregon’s Highway 395 in an FBI-orchestrated ambush, Finicum had denounced the “escalation” he had seen on the part of government officials seeking to end the CCF’s occupation of the Malheur National Refuge. On several previous occasions Finicum – who had raised cattle and scores of foster children -- made it clear that he would rather die than spend the balance of his life immured in a government cage.
Reasonable people can contend that the occupation was an imprudent provocation. That criticism can apply with equal validity to many similarly imprudent acts carried out by idealistic but obnoxious men during the 1760s and early 1770s, and now celebrated (in sanitized form) by inmates of the government-operated school system. Many of the same people who numbly absorb annual recitations of Patrick Henry’s oration at the Old South Church will see Finicum as a fanatic who committed “suicide by cop,” rather than someone for whom “Give me liberty, or give me death” was a credo, rather than a cliché.
After being shot multiple times, Finicum fell on his back – but he didn’t die instantly. The video captured by an FBI surveillance aircraft showed him lifting his hand imploringly, and holding it up for several seconds before he lost consciousness.
None of the officers on the scene approached Finicum to disarm him and render medical assistance while there was still a chance to save his life. In the press conference that served as a debut for the FBI’s snuff film, Greg Bretzing, a spokesman for the American Cheka, explained that potentially life-saving aid was withheld while the officers took Ammon Bundy and four others into custody.
This emphasis on “force protection” reflects the wartime priorities of an occupying army. Fallen enemy combatants are not owed the same consideration as criminal suspects. Thus Finicum’s mortal remains were left sprawled on the frozen ground, in a posture eerily reminiscent of the body of Lakota Chief Bigfoot following the vengeful Seventh Cavalry’s massacre at Wounded Knee.
The federal statute under which Ammon Bundy and six other members of the CCF have been charged, 18 USC section 372, offers no protection whatsoever to the persons and property of U.S. citizens. That measure, enacted in 1861, is designed to protect “officers” of the federal government (including administrative personnel and other bureaucrats) as they prey upon the Regime’s subjects. It originally targeted actual and suspected sympathizers with the Confederacy, which in practice meant anybody who respected and defended the right of states to withdraw from the Union, even if motivated by an ignoble cause.
After the Confederacy was defeated and the once-voluntary Union was repurposed into a Soyuz, the same measure was frequently pressed into service during the thirteen-year military occupation of the South. A Justice Department memo written in 1977 noted that “although this provision is more than 100 years old, it has been infrequently used. Most recorded cases have involved internal revenue agents whose efforts to track down tax-evading operators of illegal stills met with resistance.”
Those anti-Bootlegger operations, significantly, continued for decades after the Regime ended the exercise in authoritarian derangement called alcohol prohibition: The 1977 memo cited three cases that occurred over the previous twelve years, the latest reaching the Supreme Court in 1971. The purpose of the memo, significantly, was to provide the FBI with a legal rationale for investigating and prosecuting, under the rubric of “conspiracy to impede federal officers,” acts that were not explicitly criminalized by other federal statutes.
The “conspiracy to impede” statute “did not even contain a requirement that an overt act be done in furtherance of the conspiracy before the conspiratorial conduct would become actionable,” pointed out Assistant Attorney General John M. Harmon. “The broad purpose of protecting the Federal presence as fully as possible supports a broad, rather than narrow, reading of the word `officer,’” he continued. Thus it was the Justice Department’s opinion that “the term `officer’… includes both permanent and temporary, full- and part-time officers and employees of the United States.”
Sixteen federal tax-consumers are usually stationed in the cluster of buildings at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. They act as a salient representing an unaccountable federal bureaucracy that has usurped local jurisdictions by seizing land that was not theirs by right or constitutional mandate. Indeed, the federal claim to the land in Harney County, Oregon rests entirely on illegal settlement by white ranchers in violation of treaty obligations with the Paiute Indians.
Unlike the peaceful protest by the CCF, the illegal occupation of what would become Harney County in the 1870s did involve violence and extensive property damage – and it was actively encouraged by the Feds as a way of consolidating control over territory to which they were not entitled. That act of land larceny was “legitimized” in the fashion described by St. Augustine. A “government,” he explained in The City of God, is simply a gang that "acquires territory, establishes a base, captures cities and subdues peoples," and then achieves legitimacy "not by the renouncing of aggression but by the attainment of impunity."
Although the CCF did express its intention to use force in self-defense, the “occupation” of the vacant headquarters buildings – which would be considered trespassing, if they were legitimately owned by a definable victim – was not achieved by violence. But because the action undermined the local franchise of a Regime claiming a universal monopoly on violence, it was treated as an act of terrorism.
In her sophomoric screed called a “criminal complaint,” FBI Special Agent (she is, to be certain, a very “special” agent) Katherine Armstrong uses quadruple hearsay to depict the “occupiers” as a nest of terrorists bent on wreaking bloody havoc in Harney County. After the “occupation” of the refuge began, “BLM was notified … by a Harney County Sheriff’s Officer that a source informed him that the group … had explosives, night vision goggles, and weapons and that if they didn’t get the fight they wanted out there they would bring the fight to town.”
None of this was true, of course, and the conveniently anonymous “source” is hidden beneath redundant layers of official deniability. The only “fight” conducted by the CCF was a quixotic campaign “to restore and defend the Constitution,” as Armstrong’s criminal complaint observes. This kind of seditious talk was enough to cause Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, who displayed canine docility in doing the bidding of his federal masters, to irrigate his skivvies.
The CCF, quavered Ward in a January 27 press conference, “have chosen to threaten and intimidate the America they profess to love.” No being in whom we can find even a faint flicker of rationality could genuinely believe that anybody -- let alone the entire country -- was threatened and intimidated by the “occupiers.” But people whose position in society depends on the threat and exercise of lethal violence are intimidated by those who are prepared to call their bluff.
This, more than anything else, explains why LaVoy Finicum was left to die in the snow while his killers hurled flash-bang grenades at the terrified survivors in his vehicle. State-inflicted death is the last argument of tyrants, particularly those who fear that defiance may become contagious.
Tyranny, Defiance, and the Death of LaVoy Finicum
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2016/01/tyranny-defiance-and-death-of-lavoy.html
William Norman Grigg (28 January 2016)
LaVoy Finicum, who was shot at a roadblock by Oregon State Troopers and left to bleed to death in the snow, was not a violent criminal. He and his colleagues from the group calling itself Citizens for Constitutional Freedom were traveling to John Day, Oregon to organize political resistance to federal control over lands in the western United States.
After trying to run the roadblock, Finicum plowed his vehicle into a snowbank. He exited with his hands in the air, staggering in the snow before making a motion with his right hand that the FBI claims was an effort to grab a handgun. Another possibility is that Finicum, as some witnesses claim, was shot while his hands were raised in a posture of surrender, and that his subsequent movements were involuntary.
The carefully planned ambush, which displayed detailed intelligence regarding the plans of Finicum and his friends, was a joint operation between the FBI and the Oregon State Police. It was was not carried out in defense of persons or property, but to enforce the will of those in control of the Regime. Finicum, a 55-year-old rancher from Arizona, had become the subject of a federal warrant after renouncing his grazing contract with the Washington-based usurpers who control range lands in that state.
The night before he was killed on Oregon’s Highway 395 in an FBI-orchestrated ambush, Finicum had denounced the “escalation” he had seen on the part of government officials seeking to end the CCF’s occupation of the Malheur National Refuge. On several previous occasions Finicum – who had raised cattle and scores of foster children -- made it clear that he would rather die than spend the balance of his life immured in a government cage.
Reasonable people can contend that the occupation was an imprudent provocation. That criticism can apply with equal validity to many similarly imprudent acts carried out by idealistic but obnoxious men during the 1760s and early 1770s, and now celebrated (in sanitized form) by inmates of the government-operated school system. Many of the same people who numbly absorb annual recitations of Patrick Henry’s oration at the Old South Church will see Finicum as a fanatic who committed “suicide by cop,” rather than someone for whom “Give me liberty, or give me death” was a credo, rather than a cliché.
After being shot multiple times, Finicum fell on his back – but he didn’t die instantly. The video captured by an FBI surveillance aircraft showed him lifting his hand imploringly, and holding it up for several seconds before he lost consciousness.
None of the officers on the scene approached Finicum to disarm him and render medical assistance while there was still a chance to save his life. In the press conference that served as a debut for the FBI’s snuff film, Greg Bretzing, a spokesman for the American Cheka, explained that potentially life-saving aid was withheld while the officers took Ammon Bundy and four others into custody.
This emphasis on “force protection” reflects the wartime priorities of an occupying army. Fallen enemy combatants are not owed the same consideration as criminal suspects. Thus Finicum’s mortal remains were left sprawled on the frozen ground, in a posture eerily reminiscent of the body of Lakota Chief Bigfoot following the vengeful Seventh Cavalry’s massacre at Wounded Knee.
The federal statute under which Ammon Bundy and six other members of the CCF have been charged, 18 USC section 372, offers no protection whatsoever to the persons and property of U.S. citizens. That measure, enacted in 1861, is designed to protect “officers” of the federal government (including administrative personnel and other bureaucrats) as they prey upon the Regime’s subjects. It originally targeted actual and suspected sympathizers with the Confederacy, which in practice meant anybody who respected and defended the right of states to withdraw from the Union, even if motivated by an ignoble cause.
After the Confederacy was defeated and the once-voluntary Union was repurposed into a Soyuz, the same measure was frequently pressed into service during the thirteen-year military occupation of the South. A Justice Department memo written in 1977 noted that “although this provision is more than 100 years old, it has been infrequently used. Most recorded cases have involved internal revenue agents whose efforts to track down tax-evading operators of illegal stills met with resistance.”
Those anti-Bootlegger operations, significantly, continued for decades after the Regime ended the exercise in authoritarian derangement called alcohol prohibition: The 1977 memo cited three cases that occurred over the previous twelve years, the latest reaching the Supreme Court in 1971. The purpose of the memo, significantly, was to provide the FBI with a legal rationale for investigating and prosecuting, under the rubric of “conspiracy to impede federal officers,” acts that were not explicitly criminalized by other federal statutes.
The “conspiracy to impede” statute “did not even contain a requirement that an overt act be done in furtherance of the conspiracy before the conspiratorial conduct would become actionable,” pointed out Assistant Attorney General John M. Harmon. “The broad purpose of protecting the Federal presence as fully as possible supports a broad, rather than narrow, reading of the word `officer,’” he continued. Thus it was the Justice Department’s opinion that “the term `officer’… includes both permanent and temporary, full- and part-time officers and employees of the United States.”
Sixteen federal tax-consumers are usually stationed in the cluster of buildings at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. They act as a salient representing an unaccountable federal bureaucracy that has usurped local jurisdictions by seizing land that was not theirs by right or constitutional mandate. Indeed, the federal claim to the land in Harney County, Oregon rests entirely on illegal settlement by white ranchers in violation of treaty obligations with the Paiute Indians.
Unlike the peaceful protest by the CCF, the illegal occupation of what would become Harney County in the 1870s did involve violence and extensive property damage – and it was actively encouraged by the Feds as a way of consolidating control over territory to which they were not entitled. That act of land larceny was “legitimized” in the fashion described by St. Augustine. A “government,” he explained in The City of God, is simply a gang that "acquires territory, establishes a base, captures cities and subdues peoples," and then achieves legitimacy "not by the renouncing of aggression but by the attainment of impunity."
Although the CCF did express its intention to use force in self-defense, the “occupation” of the vacant headquarters buildings – which would be considered trespassing, if they were legitimately owned by a definable victim – was not achieved by violence. But because the action undermined the local franchise of a Regime claiming a universal monopoly on violence, it was treated as an act of terrorism.
In her sophomoric screed called a “criminal complaint,” FBI Special Agent (she is, to be certain, a very “special” agent) Katherine Armstrong uses quadruple hearsay to depict the “occupiers” as a nest of terrorists bent on wreaking bloody havoc in Harney County. After the “occupation” of the refuge began, “BLM was notified … by a Harney County Sheriff’s Officer that a source informed him that the group … had explosives, night vision goggles, and weapons and that if they didn’t get the fight they wanted out there they would bring the fight to town.”
None of this was true, of course, and the conveniently anonymous “source” is hidden beneath redundant layers of official deniability. The only “fight” conducted by the CCF was a quixotic campaign “to restore and defend the Constitution,” as Armstrong’s criminal complaint observes. This kind of seditious talk was enough to cause Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, who displayed canine docility in doing the bidding of his federal masters, to irrigate his skivvies.
The CCF, quavered Ward in a January 27 press conference, “have chosen to threaten and intimidate the America they profess to love.” No being in whom we can find even a faint flicker of rationality could genuinely believe that anybody -- let alone the entire country -- was threatened and intimidated by the “occupiers.” But people whose position in society depends on the threat and exercise of lethal violence are intimidated by those who are prepared to call their bluff.
This, more than anything else, explains why LaVoy Finicum was left to die in the snow while his killers hurled flash-bang grenades at the terrified survivors in his vehicle. State-inflicted death is the last argument of tyrants, particularly those who fear that defiance may become contagious.
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Transcript of Victoria Sharp
http://northwestlibertynews.com/wp-...01/Transcript-of-Victoria-Sharp-Recording.pdf
(I started from the above PDF and formatted/corrected for readability & accuracy - G.
DONE.)
"All of them had like a laser on us..
and like.. 'Turn off the car and put your hands out the window!' ...all this stuff..
He's like... [LAVOY] he stuck his hand up and continued (unintelligible)... he's like 'I'm not!'
he's like... 'We’re going to talk to the sheriff right now.'
He's like... 'You can haul us in that's fine... but we're talking to the sheriff..'
He said 'Either you can put a bullet through my head right now and get it over with,
or we’re going to talk to the sheriff.'
"And um... and they were like, no and um... and they're like.. stuffing it up..
and a bunch of more guys were coming out and and all pulling their guns out.
And they [LAVOY/PAYNE] were like
'We got women in the car.' (unintelligible)
"It was me and this other lady in the car that I don’t know real well,
but it was really getting crazy..
'Get the women out of the car! Get the women out of the car!' (unintelligible)
"and um.. they were going to shoot..
..and Ryan Payne, like he was in the front seat. Ryan Payne is amazing. He’s incredible.
But anyhow, he was like.. he put his hands out the window and he was trying to talk to them,
he was like... he wanted the guy to just, he was like.. 'I don’t know if it’s worth it.'
"So he [PAYNE] put his hands out the window and said
'We have women in the car, at least let the women get out!'
"And he stuck his head out and they shot at him, but they missed him...
or like he ducked just in time, they didn’t hit him."
"..and then they're [POLICE] like,
'Oh they [LAVOY GROUP] mean business... they [LAVOY GROUP] are going to shoot us [POLICE].'
"and so um... Ryan decided to get out of the car and try to go talk to them...
and so he gets out of the car."
"and then um...
the guy [LAVOY] tried to like um talk to them... the um.. the driver with my friends... says
'I’m just going to drive.' says.. 'I’m just gonna talk to the sheriff,'
and he's like.. he's like.. 'So either shoot me now or let us.. or leave us alone.'
"and so they just wanted you to put your..
'Get out of the car and put your hands up!'
"But finally, he.. he [LAVOY] decides to just drive.
So we all got down on the floorboard and he took off..
and then they started firing at us...
They were shooting a bunch of times."
"...and then they had a roadblock set up
and so he ran into a snow bank
and they were like riddling the car with bullets..."
"..and then um... like when we crashed... we stopped for a second,
he [LAVOY] got out of the car and he had his hands in the air, and...
he's like he's like...
'Unless...' he's like.. 'Just shoot me then... Just shoot you want?.. Just shoot me.'
"..and they did, they shot him dead, they.. he.. they shot him like right there...
so he was just walking.. with his hands in the air."
"..and I thought I swear to God... Just walking...
with his hands in the air... and they shot him... and they shot him dead."
"...and after he was down on the ground , they shot him three more times,
and then they bombarded our vehicle with bullets flying...."
"Ryan got hit in the shoulder... they were literally stranded on the floor boards screaming.
and they gassed us [TEARGAS] like five times...
"and they kept trying to shoot us, and... the angle... their angle was bad so....
"...I don't know... We were praying like so hard...
It was like we're screaming 'Stop! Please stop! Please stop!"
"and they were just riddling us with bullets... They kept gassing us over and over...
and um... we couldn’t breath because of the gas..."
"and um... We were trying to find something white, so that we could put a white flag out...
and then... I was trying to see cuz..."
"..like Ryan.. he got hit in the shoulder...
so he was like.. 'Well, I don’t think it’s too bad though.'
"So then... we were just trying to find a way to get out... of there.. and then... then they um.. hold on.. I'm waiting... "
Listen Victoria, I recorded your testimony.
"um.. Ok."
Alright? Because if anything happens to you... I think it's really important to have that.
"Alright."
Ok? So let's just get this clear... ah Mr. Finicum's hands.. or Finicum's hands were in the air when he was shot.
"Yes. He.. he.."
Was he standing?
"..he.. hands were straight up... his hands were still up after he was dead."
Okay.. they shot him, he went down and they shot him again on the ground?
"Yes, they shot him like at least six times.“
The newspaper reports are just saying that three shots were fired, but that’s a bunch of... that's not true.
"NO, are you kidding me? They shot at least a 120 shots probably all together."
OK..
"..like they were shooting the car... and it's like a lot."
What side of the windows were the windows blown out on?
The left or the right side?
"Left."
Left side.. Ok.. and uh..
They kept hitting the right side of the car too, but the windows didn’t come out.
They were hitting the metal and not the glass."
Ok, so not one shot was fired by any body in the car or by Lavoy?
"No, no one even touched their gun."
No one touched their gun.
No one pulled their gun out. NO one touched a gun. We had no rifles.
A couple of guys had sidearms on, but no one touched them.
In fact they had their hands out the window to show they weren’t firing.
Nothing. We showed no aggression at all."
When Ryan Bundy was shot... both his hands were out the window? And his head was out the window?
"No... at the time he was on the floor of the car cause that was when they were shooting at the vehicle.
We couldn’t get out of the car or we would have been dead."
Right. Ok. So, how many police vehicles or how many vehicles would you say were involved in this encounter? Ah, FBI vehicles etc
"Uh, you know, I didn’t count I was really shaken up when I got out,
but we all noted there were a ton of vehicles. I don’t know maybe 40 altogether?
There were tons.
"...and there were people in the trees. It was an ambush set up.
an ambush or something.. cause it was snipers and people in the trees cause we saw them....
They were all pointing their lasers. I had like 20 lasers on me when I was getting out of the car."
OK, so Lavoy got out of the driver’s seat?
"When he crashed into the snow bank, he immediately got out of the car.
... and he had his hands in the air and it was like 'Just shoot me then.'
because he didn’t want to go down.... he did not want to die....
he had his hands in the air...
and said, 'Are you just gonna shoot me?'
And then they just shot him."
And, how many shots would you say that were fired when they shot him the first time?
"The first time he got shot?"
When they shot him did you hear multiple rounds?
"Yes I did. He got hit by several people. It was simultaneous.
We were like 'What??'
"We couldn’t believe it. It was.... it shocked us because he had his hands in the air."
"We couldn’t believe they were actually going to shoot him. And like.. 'What?? Is he dead?'
'Is he dead??'
"..and I was like.. We knew that he had gotten shot.
..and I screamed 'Get Help!!'
"I just want to help him.. then they started firing at the car the vehicle again
and they wouldn’t let us out.
Oh it was so scary!"
About how long would you say they started firing at the car before it finally stopped?
"Some where between five and ten minutes. (unintelligible)"
Victoria we’re gonna be praying for you. OK?
I have this recorded because I fear for your life. You are one of the few people.
You’re not under arrest but you are a direct witness to what happened, so I wanted to get this down.
I wanted to document this as well as I could.
So Lavoy was driving the car and Ryan was in the front seat?
"No, Ryan Payne was in the front seat... but during the incident, he got out when they first stopped us.
He [LAVOY] stopped in the middle of the road and told them 'We.. we’re going to talk to the sheriff.'
...and when they fired the first shot.. it was actually at that point....
Ryan Payne had both his hands out the window and his head..
and they shot at him."
That was the first shot?
"That was the first shot."
And that’s when we knew they meant business... that they were serious.
and that they..."
"I’m talking so much... [unintelligible] so um... That was the first shot."
"and then he [PAYNE] ended up getting out of the car, cause they stopped shooting."
"He got out of the car.... and then after we started driving again,
that‘s when they started shooting at us again.
so. .but we had lasers on us the whole time. They were ready to shoot."
Ok, so Ryan got out of the car. Did he ever get back in the car before you took off?
"No. He was arrested, or he was taken into custody at least... I don't know if he.. uh
cause [when] all of us were taken into custody, he was [then] with us.
We all got transferred together and then they separated all of us."
And that’s Ryan Payne you’re talking about?
"Yes."
Where was Ryan Bundy?
"He was in the back seat of the car besides me.
I was actually fallen asleep on him right when we got pulled over.
I was asleep and I woke up and the whole thing started going down.
He was sitting to the left of me."
So you were in the middle?
"Yes, Shauna Cox was on my right."
Who was?
"Shauna Cox."
Shauna Cox on your right, Ryan Bundy on your left. And you were heading to go see the Sheriff?
"We were going to this meeting that was going on, so all of us showed were going to sing
The sheriff [PALMER] was gonna be there and a bunch of ranchers
and we were going to try to talk and maybe do some negotiations, and we were gonna sing... and that was all.
And we were ambushed."
"I mean it was known that we were gonna go...
so they probably just decided to use that area maybe because it was really wooded and everything.
and we didn’t have any phone service so..."
OK, so listen I’m going to be up. So if you want to call me at any time during this..
OK, because I can’t do much, I can pray for your guys..
but I can also try to document as best as possible to make sure that.. um..
this story is not.. because right now the media is reporting that three shots were fired.
"Oh NO!. That’s a total lie.. but of course the media is going to report that... but
Are you kidding me?"
"Have you seen the car? Have you seen the vehicle?
It was completely covered with gunshots!!"
Well, no, they’re not going to release that because they don’t want...
"and He’s [LAVOY] probably got ( unintelligible ) holes within himself!!"
Ok.. well I'm just telling ya.. so.. Well let me ask you this.. um... Do you want this story to get out?
"Absolutely."
Ok, so I’m gonna stop the recording and I'm gonna see how well it’s turning out...
I want to be able to determine if I can hear you clearly... and .. determine yunno
I mean I'm willing to get this out there to any media outlet that I possibly can... um.. independent media but..
um... I need to know... yunnoum.. so Is your family back at the refuge?
"No. Hold on a second... Someone's calling me... I think it's my mom.. um... oh I need to let you go I think it's my mom."
Ok.. um.. call me back.
[end transcript]
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If I'm reading/seeing correctly, looks like that little film was a fake.
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This is a tedious process... it's not easy. 
When it's finished I will email it to the law firm for Bundy.
Anyone can help. Just PM me with any corrections. Thanks in advance.
G.
When it's finished I will email it to the law firm for Bundy.
Anyone can help. Just PM me with any corrections. Thanks in advance.
G.
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Several more videos posted, here is the guy that warrant (it seems to be the married one that made statement the other day to kill anybody that gets in their way of making it to the refuge) having a phone conversation with Hammond's attorney, on speaker starting at about 34:00:
And a bit more here:
He mentioned at one point that personnel carriers have surrounded them from the distance, and a drone is maintaining close proximity to them.
Oh, he also mentioned something about not trusting somebody that ranted on Facebook, is aligned with the Oathkeepers, got drunk in a hotel the other day and who never carries a weapon, could he have been speaking to Pete Santilli?
And a bit more here:
He mentioned at one point that personnel carriers have surrounded them from the distance, and a drone is maintaining close proximity to them.
Oh, he also mentioned something about not trusting somebody that ranted on Facebook, is aligned with the Oathkeepers, got drunk in a hotel the other day and who never carries a weapon, could he have been speaking to Pete Santilli?
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Rat: Alternative Media Host Who Snitched on Oregon Militia Was Already a Known FBI Informant
http://wtfrly.com/2016/01/29/rat-al...-militia-fbi-informant-santilli/#.Vq0Rn3NOnqA
http://wtfrly.com/2016/01/29/rat-al...-militia-fbi-informant-santilli/#.Vq0Rn3NOnqA
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That is entirely possible and plausible. I'm not convinced of it, but I don't discount your theory.
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That is exactly how it appears to me.
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Sounds like their speaking with a sheriff first name of Doug, a constitutional sheriff from Idaho:
Possibly:
http://idahocounty.org/sheriffs-office/
Possibly:
http://idahocounty.org/sheriffs-office/
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