Shots fired, Bundy arrested

[goldenequity]

Lavoy teaching the Constitution also Natural Law: (Claim/Use/Defense) (so ANYONE can understand

 

[Weston White]

Poorly written, leftist, inflammatory, but insight into the general ineptitude and tactical moron-ary of the occupation:

//www.triplepundit.com/2016/01/deep-pockets-behind-oregon-takeover/

Bilge:

All funds go to benefit the Malheur refuge and the local Paiute community, as well as a gun control reform group and the Southern Poverty Law Center, the longstanding civil rights organization that tracks hate groups.

 

[tod evans]

Fuck Heidi Beirich and the SPLC.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Fuck Heidi Beirich and the SPLC.

Not even with your stick.

:shudder:

 

[Natural Citizen]

Eeeyew. Blech.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

That is what made me think it was a set up. If even left-tard brownshirt apologists sense government conniving, it may be so.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Make no mistake... Goons gonna goon. It's one of the natural laws. These hut-hut goons have only one thing on their mind and that's gooning everyone they can. We've let them grow so huge that it's going to be a big project to get the goons restrained from gooning...

 

[Deborah K]

The fact that Bundy thought they had backers, the lack of a clear mission objective, the government's hands-off approach until things were wrapping up anyway, and the way the whole thing just was set up to fail from the beginning makes me strongly suspect the honey trap theory.

Ryan Payne. Who is he??? He came out of nowhere and ingratiated himself with the Bundys; ran the Oathkeepers out on a rail during the Bundy stand-off; lied about his military experience as a Ranger (or at least it can't be proven, not even by him); conveniently converted to Mormonism (the Bundys are Mormons); and became Ammon's right hand man.

When a fed plant has your ear and your trust, you can't win.

 

[Deborah K]

Bilge:

It's called civil disobedience Heidi! Where was your fat ass when Ferguson and Baltimore were burning down in protest??

 

[mrsat_98]

Where was their backup/over watch ?

AND WHY WERE THEY AMBUSHED ON THE WAY TO A MEETING?

Bilge:

It's called civil disobedience Heidi! Where was your fat ass when Ferguson and Baltimore were burning down in protest??

WTF do you expect from the liberal mindset, They had their Bird Sanctuary.

 

[phill4paul]

Truth. Outta rep. Just because I think the entire Op was ill conceived and counterproductive from head to toe doesn't mean I don't sympathize with them, or that I'm not angry over this clear and obvious murder.

This looks like a straight cold blooded murder to me:



I am incensed at the bloodthirsty Governor and police who forced this to a violent conclusion when that was totally unnecessary.

I am outraged at all the "good little citizens" around America who have been calling for their blood from the very beginning. Some of the same people calling for their blood almost certainly participated in "Occupy" protests, damned hypocrites.

I am less angry (but still angry) at the subset of the supporters of this Op who seem to think and openly accuse anyone who does not support THIS SPECIFIC OP of cowardice, when that's straight up bullshit. I'll go and lay down my life THIS VERY MINUTE if I think it will have a significantly positive outcome. If I can look at something and KNOW from the start that it won't do any good, but that it can only make things worse, then why FFS would I go off and die to promote an op that I know can only make things worse?

I am 100% all for an active militia in the US. I was 100% in favor of the Bundy Ranch op. I was 100% in favor of the Sugar Pine Mine op. I said from the start that this one was a bad idea and that it would only make things worse. Lo and behold all the good will the militias had garnered defending the Bundy Ranch is now spent, and we are worse off today than we were before that time. It. Did. Not. Help. It made things worse. I was hated by the Republicans in NC for telling them truth that they did not want to hear, and I have been hated by supporters of this Op for telling truth that people did not want to hear. Fine. I learned long ago that it was my lot in life to be right when all the world is wrong, and thus to be hated for having been right. I'm used to it by now.

There is someone else who falls into that same category, and that is Ron Paul. As you would expect, the negative effects of the Cassandra syndrome are significantly diminished on RPFs as compared to elsewhere, but there are still a few of you boiling mad that anyone dares to think this was a bad idea. It's time to come to terms with the idea that one can be boiling mad at the feds and the local police for what they did here, that one can be 100% in favor of real armed militia ops, and still recognize that this specific op was a bad idea right from the jump.

If you still can't process that concept, fine. I don't need people around me who are allergic to truth.

It is a horrific tragedy that LaVoy was murdered by the feds in cold blood. And murdered in cold blood he was. Nothing but sadness has come out of this event, and dozens of hard-core Patriots who we will need in the future when it comes to take the right stand will now be locked away in prison when that day comes. A key component to tactical and strategic victory is to have the realism necessary to recognize when an operation does not work, and to learn to avoid the same mistakes in the future. In that light, some good things HAVE come out of this op in the form of lessons learned:

1) In any operation, once in the AO plan to stay there for the duration. No matter how much the feds promise safe passage in and out of the area, it is a lie, they are setting you up.

2) Never, never, never put all of your entire leadership into the same boat. If whatever situation requires the leadership to travel, they must be dispersed amongst as many transports as possible with as much separation between them as possible, and if possible, each of them taking completely different routes.

3) Public opinion is at least as important if not more important than tactical advantage. This is 4GW now, we no longer live in a 3GW world. Local overwhelming support is even more critical.

4) OPSEC must not be neglected. A big part of the reason this ended badly was because members were caught on camera saying things that should never have been broadcast. Absolutely use cameras and absolutely use live feeds -- these are critical for public and local support -- but keep identities off camera as much as possible, and for heaven's sake never ever discuss anything strategic, tactical, or involving readiness in front of one.

5) The leadership of any given Op must come from militias local to the situation who are invested in the issue and in the community. If the local militias do not want the Op, then don't do it. Live to fight another day.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GunnyFreedom again.

 

[youngbuck]

This makes Ryan Payne look even more shady than I already thought, IMHO

I agree. Ryan Payne was suspicious from the very beginning. Then he's the one person to exit the vehicle Finicum was driving before it continued and eventually went of the road. Maybe he knew it was a trap, that there was another (final) roadblock ahead, and knew they might take volley fire.

 

[Deborah K]

*****Memorial Services*****

We again thank everyone for your support and prayers during this time of mourning. We will be holding funeral services on Friday, February 5th in Kanab, Utah at our church house. The address is 1436 S. McAllister Dr. The visitation will be held at 11:00 am to 2:00 pm MST, and the service will be from 2:30 to 4:00 pm. We invite all those who would like to pay their respects to attend these services in memory of Lavoy Finicum; Husband, Father and Grandfather.

I want to go to this.

 

[phill4paul]

This makes Ryan Payne look even more shady than I already thought, IMHO

Well it definitely blows the hell out of McConnells account that he says that he got second hand from Payne.

 

[libertyjam]

What the F* weapon was the L.E.O. using to the left of LaVoy?

actually I noticed that in reviewing the video also, and am pretty sure it was definitely not a handgun, but was a fully automatic sub-machine gun that can be held like a pistol. Looked most like an H&K MP5K or a Beretta Model 12.

 

[libertyjam]

A good lawyer could prove this was a planned ambush. As I stated earlier, he fled the original stop because they fired shots at them. Then he came up so fast on the road block he had to swerve to miss hitting them. He immediately surrendered. WTF! They were waiting in the f'kn trees!! They KICKED him after they KILLED him!!!! Where's your head man?!

Not to mention that the road block was purposely set around a blind curve , so that by the time he saw them at his speed he could only go into the snow bank or hit them, no other choice.

 

[libertyjam]

It was ill conceived and carried out from start to finish. Glen and I have taken this position from the beginning. Nothing about this op is rooted in anything other than a whim. Whims don't win win wars. They don'y even win battles. They get people imprisoned or deaded. OPs have to be planned. From beginning to end. Even if end is an ex-fil. And good Lawd almighty who ever thought of putting all the leadership into one un-escorted convoy? Unless it was an inside agent.

Well we can almost assuredly identify two FBI infiltrators now from their immediate post ambush statements, one in each vehicle to boot.

 

[Weston White]

Still no video updates since the convoy moved in last night?

https://www.youtube.com/user/DefendYourBase

 

[Anti Federalist]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GunnyFreedom again.

Covered

 

[youngbuck]

Still no video updates since the convoy moved in last night?

https://www.youtube.com/user/DefendYourBase

I've been looking for updated info, haven't found any. At one time the guy that was live streaming had to buy more data to continue uploading. Maybe he ran out of money?