Shots fired, Bundy arrested

"I am pleased that the FBI has listened to the concerns of the local community and responded to the illegal activity occurring in Harney County by outside extremists," Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., said in a written statement. "The leaders of this group are now in custody and I hope that the remaining individuals occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge will peacefully surrender so this community can begin to heal the deep wounds that this illegal activity has created over the last month."
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Sen. Jeff Merkley is no statesman, where was he in all of this? With the governor sitting back afar, moaning for the FBI to intervene. What justice do you bring your constituents by discounting the causation of this entire incident? Moreover, where is your resolution for preventing future occurrences? Oh, yes, infringing the Second Amendment, is that it, is that all you've got?

Listened to the concerns of the local community, while further disenfranchising your own ranchers and farmers in the process?

Begin to heal the deep wounds that were created by this call to redress grievances? Are you freaking kidding? Seriously, are you?

Yes, peacefully surrender under the threat of heavily armed federal thugs. That solves it all, just right, is that it?


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...That is what I thought.
 
69360 said:
I think there a major distinction between this and actions like Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Browns and the Bundys at their ranch. They were defending their own property. In this case this group went across the country and took over a tourist center when the aggrieved family did not want them there.
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They capitalized on an incident to bring attention to their own directly related situation, both which are national--as this affects more than a single state. Do you think the feds give a crap if you write them letters from the safety of your home office? You will simply be ignored or blown off with a canned response. They do not care about you or your concerns. You are less than a whisper in a crowded stadium to them.

The "aggrieved family" has no direct involvement with the BLM's offices--and regardless they are under duress by the feds, so of course they are not going to speak against their captors.

And they did not go across the country, they drove over to the adjacent state.

So, what is your alternative? A mass hunger-strike?
 
Here is an account from the driver of the vehicle that Finicum was not in. This information he says he received directly from Payne. He details that Finicum charged the Feds but there is no mention of being armed or of firing.


BURNS – Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, the spokesman of the refuge occupation, was shot and killed after he charged police during a roadside stop north of Burns on Tuesday, according to a man on Facebook who claims to be the driver of one of two vehicles involved in the highway shooting.

Mark McConnell posted a video to Facebook Wednesday morning, recounting the Tuesday afternoon scene that led to Finicum's death and the subsequent arrest of eight people involved in the Jan. 2 takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

His account emerged as police established new checkpoints on roads leading to the refuge, where an unknown number of occupiers remained. Police said only local property owners would be allowed through. The number and exact location of the checkpoints couldn't immediately be established.

Seven of those arrested Tuesday were taken overnight to Portland, where they were booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center.

They included Ammon E. Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho; his brother, Ryan C. Bundy of Bunkerville, Nevada; Ryan W. Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana; Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Shawna J. Cox, 59, of Kanab, Utah; Joseph D. Oshaughnessy, 43, of Cottonwood, Arizona; and Peter T. Santilli, 50, of Cinncinati.

An eighth person, Jon Ritzheimer, surrendered to police in Arizona.

They were each charged with conspiracy to interfere with a federal official, a felony.

In his video, McConnell said Ammon Bundy and Cavalier were in the vehicle he was driving to John Day for a community meeting. He said Finicum was driving a pickup that carried Ryan Bundy, Payne, Cox and an 18-year-old girl.

He said as they traveled on U.S. 395 police vehicles pulled in behind them and stopped them. McConnell said he was removed by police first, then Ammon Bundy then Cavalier.

He said Finicum's pickup was stopped about 200 yards away, and one passenger already was on the ground in handcuffs.

McConnell said Payne and Cox later recounted how Payne and Finicum got into a "heated discussion" about what to do.

"LaVoy was passionate about this, about the movement," McConnell said.

McConnell said he noticed movement, and Finicum "took off" in the pickup with the remaining passengers. He said Payne and Cox described encountering a police roadblock about a mile north on the highway and apparently tried to get around it, becoming stuck in the snow.

"When he exited the vehicle, the rear wheels were still spinning," McConnell said. "He charged at law enforcement" and was shot.

McConnell disputed earlier accounts on social media that Finicum was shot while on his knees with his hands up.

McConnell said he and the 18-year-old were taken to Burns for questioning and later released.

His account couldn't be immediately confirmed, but several details matched accounts from law enforcement sources.

Meantime, the status of those at the refuge was unclear early Wednesday as the FBI and Oregon State Police set up the checkpoints. Late Tuesday, they established roadblocks near the refuge headquarters, parking a large front-end loader across Sod House Lane.

The FBI was negotiating into the night for the remaining occupiers to leave. Several were allowed to leave without arrest.

"The containment procedure involves a series of checkpoints established along key routes into and out of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge," the agencies said in a joint news release.

A news conference was scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in Burns. U.S. Attorney Billy Williams, FBI Special Agent in Charge Greg Bretzing and Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward were to address reporters.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-st...shot_and_killed_while.html#incart_maj-story-1


The FB link of the video: https://www.facebook.com/mark.mcconnell.127648?pnref=story

ETA: From the second video it seems Ryan Bundy wasn't shot but was hit by shrapnel.
 
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Weston White said:
They capitalized on an incident to bring attention to their own directly related situation, both which are national--as this affects more than a single state. Do you think the feds give a crap if you write them letters from the safety of your home office? You will simply be ignored or blown off with a canned response. They do not care about you or your concerns. You are less than a whisper in a crowded stadium to them.

The "aggrieved family" has no direct involvement with the BLM's offices--and regardless they are under duress by the feds, so of course they are not going to speak against their captors.

And they did not go across the country, they drove over to the adjacent state.

So, what is your alternative? A mass hunger-strike?
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The alternative is to help those who are willing to help themselves.
 
I wonder who killed LaVoy Finicum & if he was really hands up & on his knees, shouldn't the shooter be prosecuted?
 
"What justice do you bring your constituents by discounting the causation of this entire incident?"

You mean the half of the county that works for the BLM or other federal agencies or how about the employees at wildlife refuge who couldn't get to their jobs because these yahoos took over the main building? What about the Hammonds who didn't want them there in the first place. Take your pick.

These guys wanted a confrontation with the Feds, they practically begged for it, and they got their wish. One dead and the rest in jail. Some revolution.

When the next stand-off over Federal lands takes place, may please our militia symps take their activities to another website so RPF doesn't get smeared as a militia hub site. Luckily for Rand he's so low in the polls no one bothered to notice. Believe me it would have been different otherwise This is a site for political activism, not bunker plotting.
 
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Watching the live feed it seems like these guys are already accepting their death. That means that the goons better be ready to die as well. I'm sure these military trained men are prepared for the usual goon tactics and have some counter actions prepared... Sorry to see it end this way but goons never stop when their "authority" is challenged...
 
ChristianAnarchist said:
Watching the live feed it seems like these guys are already accepting their death. That means that the goons better be ready to die as well. I'm sure these military trained men are prepared for the usual goon tactics and have some counter actions prepared... Sorry to see it end this way but goons never stop when their "authority" is challenged...
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It's a cluster just like it's been from the beginning. Ryan Payne was supposedly the Tac Ops. Why they would ever put all their leadership in one convoy away from the refuge is beyond me.
 
Badger Paul said:
"What justice do you bring your constituents by discounting the causation of this entire incident?"

You mean the half of the county that works for the BLM or other federal agencies or how about the employees at wildlife refuge who couldn't get to their jobs because these yahoos took over the main building? What about the Hammonds who didn't want them there in the first place. Take your pick.

These guys wanted a confrontation with the Feds, they practically begged for it, and they got their wish. One dead and the rest in jail. Some revolution.

When the next stand-off over Federal lands takes place, may please our militia symps take their activities to another website so RPF doesn't get smeared as a militia hub site. Luckily for Rand he's so low in the polls no one bothered to notice. Believe me it would have been different otherwise This is a site for political activism, not bunker plotting.
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It's no secret that I thought this specific op was a bad idea from the start, but this is just stupid, and smacks of gloating over the death of a patriotic American who at least thought he was doing right.
 
ChristianAnarchist said:
Sunrise in Oregon is 7:37 and current time there is 7:30...
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There is supposed to be a FBI SAC news conference this morning at 10:30 AM. I don't think they will move until after. My guess is that at the presser they will call for a peaceful end from those inside the refuge before swarming. That way they can claim "Hey, we tried to end this peacefully."
 
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