Shots fired, Bundy arrested

But this is a national issue, the feds, through the BLM claims proprietorship of 50% or more of all Western states.

Sure, so start with the parts of that 50% involving residents in the area who actually want the land returned to the people. Looks like folks can cross Oregon off that list. May their chains rest lightly and all that.

GunnyFreedom was right, and I say that as someone who initially thought some good would come out of this. It was a fool's errand for these folks to undertake a fight on behalf of people who didn't want one.
 
Sure, so start with the parts of that 50% involving residents in the area who actually want the land returned to the people. Looks like folks can cross Oregon off that list. May their chains rest lightly and all that.

GunnyFreedom was right, and I say that as someone who initially thought some good would come out of this. It was a fool's errand for these folks to undertake a fight on behalf of people who didn't want one.

well, Gunny was wrong, and so are you. This has been explained as to the reasons ad naseum.
 
Sure, so start with the parts of that 50% involving residents in the area who actually want the land returned to the people. Looks like folks can cross Oregon off that list. May their chains rest lightly and all that.

GunnyFreedom was right, and I say that as someone who initially thought some good would come out of this. It was a fool's errand for these folks to undertake a fight on behalf of people who didn't want one.

No, GunnyFreedom could be only a little more wrong. And this is a national issue, all portions are unified. The people in Oregon are, sadly, blinded by their reliance, nay, their subjugation by the federal government.

See: Bundys Urge Oregon Ranchers To Tear Up Grazing Contracts
 
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Great. I have to fly into Portland in a couple hours. This is going to be a shit show for a variety of reasons.
 
ABC is reporting the first version from sources in law enforcement saying that they killed a person who shot at them first.

Let's just see how long that story holds up.
 
ABC is reporting the first version from sources in law enforcement saying that they killed a person who shot at them first.

Let's just see how long that story holds up.

It only has to hold up for a few minutes, then the people will forget about it and never see the quiet correction issued next week.
 
Propaganda worded very carefully;

Oregon militia leader Ammon Bundy, 7 others arrested after gunfight kills 1, injures 1

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/2...rrested-after-gunfight-kills-1-injures-1.html

The leader of a group of armed protesters who had occupied a federal wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon for 24 days was arrested along with four others Tuesday after a traffic stop prompted gunfire that left one person dead and another injured.

The FBI and Oregon State Police arrested Ammon Bundy, 40, his brother Ryan, 43, Brian Cavalier, 44, Shawna Cox, 59, and Ryan Payne, 32, at around 4:25 p.m. local time on U.S. Highway 395.

Three other people were arrested separately. The FBI said Joseph O'Shaughnessy, 45, and Peter Santilli, 50, were arrested in the nearby town of Burns, Ore. Hours later, authorities said Jon Ritzheimer, 32, turned himself into the Peoria, Ariz. police department.

The FBI said all eight face a federal felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats.

Neither the FBI nor Oregon State Police released details about what set off the gunfire at the traffic stop. One of those arrested, described only as a man, suffered non-life-threatening wounds and was treated at a hospital, the agencies said.

Another man "who was a subject of a federal probable cause arrest" was killed in the shootout. The Oregonian reported that the deceased man was 55-year-old Robert Finicum. The paper cited Finicum's daughter in making the identification. Authorities said no other information about the deceased would be released pending formal identification by the local medical examiner's office.

The protesters were heading to a public meeting in the town of John Day, about 70 miles north of Burns, to address local residents about the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge when the traffic stop took place, law enforcement officials told Fox News.

The Oregonian newspaper reported several hundred people had gathered at the John Day Senior Center on Tuesday evening and were told the "guest speakers" would not be appearing.

The Harney County Hospital in Burns was placed on lockdown out of concern that the protesters may cause a disturbance there.

Ammon Bundy's group, calling itself the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, seized the refuge's headquarters on Jan. 2 in protest of what they viewed as onerous federal land restrictions, as well as the prison sentences of two local ranchers convicted of setting fires. Law enforcement officers converged on the wildlife refuge after the arrests and were expected to remain at the site throughout the night; it was unclear how many people, if any, remained in the buildings.

Ammon and Ryan Bundy are the sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a high-profile 2014 standoff with the government over grazing rights.

Many residents of Harney County, where the refuge is located, have been among those demanding that Bundy leave. Many sympathize with his criticism of federal land management policies of public lands but opposed the refuge takeover. They feared violence could erupt.

Ammon Bundy recently had begun traveling into Grant County to try to drum up more sympathy for his cause.

"I am pleased that the FBI has listened to the concerns of the local community and responded to the illegal activity occurring in Harney County by outside extremists," Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., said in a written statement. "The leaders of this group are now in custody and I hope that the remaining individuals occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge will peacefully surrender so this community can begin to heal the deep wounds that this illegal activity has created over the last month."

The state police said it would investigate the officer-involved shooting, with help from the Deschutes County Major Incident Team and the Harney County District Attorney's Office.
 
Dying for something you believe in is very hard for police worshippers like you to understand. If you were alive during the Revolutionary war, you would have been packing your bags for England where its safe. I actually wouldn't be surprised if you let the police have their way with your children, provided they ask nicely.

You are going too far with personal attacks and being offensive.

I would make a stand and fight to defend my own property from the government. I would not however travel across the country to take over a tourist center and die defending it.

Cincinnatian Peter Santilli arrested in Oregon standoff
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...r-santilli-arrested-oregon-standoff/79386528/

Same charges as the rest.

Waco Texas all over again.

this is what happen when people have guns they are unwilling to use..

First Amendment gone too

I think there a major distinction between this and actions like Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Browns and the Bundys at their ranch. They were defending their own property. In this case this group went across the country and took over a tourist center when the aggrieved family did not want them there.
 
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