Shortages will start happening NOW! Please read and prepare

[acptulsa]

No attic, just a crawl space unfortunately. Great idea though.

Actually, that would probably put it above the gutters, which wouldn't work. Top of a closet, if possible, would.

Has to be below the eaves, though.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

What seed companies does Monsanto own, or, who do they supply seeds to? Part of my plan for the garden was to start saving the seeds for the following year, so I wouldn't want to get any of the "terminator" seeds.

Basically all of the big ones now a days. You need to get seeds that are marked as heirloom or organic to avoid them.

The best thing to do is call or e-mail ALL the seed companies you can find and ask if they sell NON-Monsanto seeds. If they say no, tell them they just lost your business and thanks anyway. If they say yes, say wonderful! - please send me a catalog!

If they sell both, be sure to ask how you can tell - how they are marked in the catalog. If it's not clear, contact them about each type of seed you are interested in.

If enough people did this, it would have an effect.

-n

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto
http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/

 

[LittleLightShining]

What seed companies does Monsanto own, or, who do they supply seeds to? Part of my plan for the garden was to start saving the seeds for the following year, so I wouldn't want to get any of the "terminator" seeds.

The links I posted are for independent seed companies. Fedco is a sort of clearinghouse for seed farmers of all sizes. Their pledge: Agriculture and seeds provide the basis on which our lives depend. We must protect this foundation as a safe and genetically stable source for future generations. For the benefit of all farmers, gardeners and consumers who want an alternative, we pledge that we do not knowingly buy or sell genetically engineered seeds or plants. The mechanical transfer of genetic material outside of natural reproductive methods and between genera, families or kingdoms, poses great biological risks as well as economic, political and cultural threats. We feel that genetically engineered varieties have been insufficiently tested prior to public release. More research and testing are necessary to further assess the potential risks of genetically engineered seeds. Further, we wish to support agricultural progress that leads to healthier soils, genetically diverse agricultural ecosystems and ultimately people and communities.

I prefer High Mowing because they also pledge to be GMO-free and are a small local company.

 

[LEK]

I'd prepare with food/water/silver/gold but I don't have any money. I basically earn enough to make it to the next week. I'm a bit nervous about the future to be honest.

If you are true to your name...don't worry. You know Who is in control.

BUT a prudent man prepares.

 

[LEK]

Fedco and High Mowing are 2 great seed companies.

Why organic seeds? Are the unorganic seeds affected by pesticides?

Planning a big garden...composte...microbrewery...

 

[LittleLightShining]

Seed farms are big operations-- usually. If the seeds are grown using conventional, non-organic methods, you can assume that the land the seeds are grown on is being polluted. The more we can support organic seed farms, the more land we can keep clean, sending a message to the bigger seed farms that home gardeners are concerned about the integrity of the land. Even if they don't get the message,we can help the more thoughtful seed farmers make a good living.

 

[faraway]

Hi -n

look up this book - it's considered a classic on underground camping as well as being a survival manual. Tells you how to do all sorts of things for almost no money.

What book is that???

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Great. The faster the economy goes, the faster the government goes over the wayside lol

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Why organic seeds? Are the unorganic seeds affected by pesticides?

Planning a big garden...composte...microbrewery...

Monsanto's Roundup Pesticide Killing Wheat

Monsanto also produces the most commonly used broadleaf pesticide in the world, glyphosate--or Roundup. In addition to its inherent toxicity as a chemical pesticide, Roundup has now been found to aid the spread of fusarium head blight in wheat. This disease creates a toxin in the infected wheat, making the crop unsuitable for human or animal consumption. Canada's wheat industry is currently being ravaged by this disease. At the same time, the widespread use of Roundup has resulted in the formation of "super weeds" --- unwanted plants that have developed an immunity to these pesticides. Read study linking Monsanto's Roundup to Cancer.

...

Genetically Modified Corn Study Reveals
Health Damage and Cover-up

By Jeffrey M. Smith, author of Seeds of Deception

When a German court ordered Monsanto to make public a controversial 90-day
rat study on June 20, 2005, the data upheld claims by prominent scientists
who said that animals fed the genetically modified (GM) corn developed
extensive health effects in the blood, kidneys and liver and that humans
eating the corn might be at risk. The 1,139 page research paper on
Monsanto¹s ³Mon 863² variety also revealed that European regulators accepted
the company¹s assurances that their corn is safe, in spite of the
unscientific and contradictory rationale that was used to dismiss
significant problems. In addition, the study is so full of flaws and
omissions, critics say it wouldn¹t qualify for publication in most journals
and yet it is the primary document used to evaluate the health impacts.

...

Monsanto is in the process of acquiring and patenting their newest technology, known as "Terminator Technology." This technology is currently the greatest threat to humanity. If it is used by Monsanto on a large-scale basis, it will inevitably lead to famine and starvation on a worldwide basis.

Billions of people on the planet are supported by farmers who save seeds from the crops and replant these seeds the following year. Seeds are planted. The crop is harvested. And the seeds from the harvest are replanted the following year. Most farmers cannot afford to buy new seeds every year, so collecting and replanting seeds is a crucial part of the agricultural cycle. This is the way food has been grown successfully for thousands of years.

With Monsanto's terminator technology, they will sell seeds to farmers to plant crops. But these seeds have been genetically-engineered so that when the crops are harvested, all new seeds from these crops are sterile (e.g., dead, unusable). This forces farmers to pay Monsanto every year for new seeds if they want to grow their crops.

In less rich countries, hundreds of millions of people rely heavily on small farms which produce foods for the region. If these farms begin to use Monsanto's terminator technology, and cannot afford to buy new genetically engineered seeds from Monsanto the following year, many of the people in the region may starve. Under normal circumstances, food could be brought in from other regions. However, many of those other regions will likely have the same problems with famine due to Monsanto's terminator technology.

"It's terribly dangerous," says Hope Shand, "half the world's farmers are poor and can't afford to buy seed every growing season, yet poor farmers grow 15 to 20% of the world's food and they directly feed at least 1.4 billion people - 100 million in Latin America, 300 million in Africa, and 1 billion in Asia. These farmers depend upon saved seed and their own breeding skills in adapting other varieties for use on their (often marginal) lands."

What is even more frightening is that traits from genetically-engineered crops can get passed on to other crops. Once the terminator seeds are released into a region, the trait of seed sterility could be passed to other non-genetically-engineered crops making most or all of the seeds in the region sterile.

Camila Montecinos, an agronomist with the Chilean organization, CET, has another concern, "We've talked to a number of crop geneticists who have studied the patent," she says. "They're telling us that it's likely that pollen from crops carrying the Terminator trait will infect the fields of farmers who either reject or can't afford the technology. Their crop won't be affected that season but when farmers reach into their bins to sow seed the following season they could discover - too late - that some of their seed is sterile. This could lead to very high yield losses. If the technology is transmitted through recessive genes, we could see several years of irregular harvests and a general - even dramatic - decline in food security for the poorest farm communities."

...

The United States Government has been financing research on a genetic engineering technology which, when commercialized, will give its owners the power to control the food seed of entire nations or regions. The Government has been working quietly on this technology since 1983. Now, the little-known company that has been working in this genetic research with the Government’s US Department of Agriculture-- Delta & Pine Land-- is about to become part of the world’s largest supplier of patented genetically-modified seeds (GMO), Monsanto Corporation of St. Louis, Missouri.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Hi -n

look up this book - it's considered a classic on underground camping as well as being a survival manual. Tells you how to do all sorts of things for almost no money.

What book is that???

oops! - sorry about that!

http://www.oism.org/nwss/

-n

 

[Highstreet]

I heard the truckers were going to go on strike come April. This should only make matters worse...

I have only heard small numbers, like 1,000, on April 1st. Could just be an April Fools, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one by April 15th.

Those shortages of Silver seem to be based on some good info.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/69687-looks-like-there-s-a-silver-shortage

I don't know about shortages caused by Distributors cutting back on the Number of Deliveries.

 

[Signzit]

Monsanto = Rockefeller right? Yeah, 1 time seeds.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Monsanto = Rockefeller right? Yeah, 1 time seeds.

don't know... but this is the company responsible for Agent Orange...


As to a truckers strike - if it's big, it will just be used as an excuse to push through allowing many more Mexican truckers on our highways.

-n

 

[gb13]

don't know... but this is the company responsible for Agent Orange...

Not to mention aspartame...

 

[pinkmandy]

don't know... but this is the company responsible for Agent Orange...

And don't forget another product they've convinced most Americans they can't live without- choose Lysol if you miss the neurotoxins of Agent Orange. A toxic chemical that kills 99.9% of germs in NOT healthy for anyone.

 

[faraway]

Got it, thanks...

Took a look and thought how funny the book constantly refers to "families" when our govrnments policies have been designed for years to break up families, and have pretty much succeeded. I guess singles and smaller broken family units won't have much of a chance.

 

[anarchy]

In regards to your water problems - I had a 400 foot deep automated pump installed, and I am totally cut off from public water supply. Guests don't even notice that
I'm not connected to the public water supply because it appears just the same. Although the ground water smells deliciously sweet and fresh! My toilets are flushed with rain water.

If anyone knows a solution for electricity - I was thinking of using solar panels combined with batteries to cover the nights?

 

[SteveMartin]

Wind turbines...if your high up. You can get one for about $7500 that ties into the box outside, and reduces your bill by whatever it inputs.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

best way is to switch to 12 V appliances and go solar and/or wind.

depending on where you are you can do hydro-electric, tidal, and some more exotic solutions.

some people string a wire in the trees along high power lines and get it by induction - but the power companies don't like that...

http://www.backwoodssolar.com/catalog/books_videos.htm
http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/QandA/renewableenergyQandA.htm
hmmm... not finding the place I was thinking about. You can run 110 of an inverter, but your batteries charge will not last long. w/ good 12v systems, you insulate better - really thick walls and sealing latches for fridges and freezers. you can also run them off kerosene.

see here for non-electric...
http://www.lehmans.com/


-n

 

[Lance C Roseman]

Sounds good i'm already there but with WHAT WATER? Many local water treatment plants are using reclaimed water and recycled water filtered this will end, water will be unfit to drink or water your yard. Or, maybe you don't think social services will shut down?

You'll need filters and BIG TANKS. Some of us Whachos, have been preparing months and months. Dirt won't get it either, too much water loss short fast drinks mean Hydroponic set-ups. people will starve.

I'll keep saying it, "get out of the bigger cities if you can".

Sorry, I moved out of Vancouver over y2k possibilities and now live in one of the worlds few Temperate Rainforests, water is not an issue for me! I've drank water from all 17 clean creeks in my locale. And I've two good wells with absolutely no development on the mountain behind me. With a deep mulch system, you don't need to water very much at all. That's why I suggested adding as much as possible. Some people claim that it lures slugs, and boy, do we ever have slugs here in South Coastal BC!, but I've not found this to be a problem.
As for hydroponics, you can use seawater or sea 'solids' as long as you have a source of nitrogen. Google 'sea energy agriculture' and then find sources of sea solids afterwords.
I'm going to play around with a sea energy hydropnic basil set up this summer using nothing but watered down sea water and urine as my nitrogen source. When you use urine you have to use it within 24 hours or the nitrogen will 'float' out.