Shock Poll: Hickenlooper: 42% Tancredo: 41%

[Zarn Solen]

I think the whole gist of these developments is that Colorado is still firmly a swing state. Rand is going to need Colorado in 4 years if he wins the nomination so I'd like to see a Republican revolution in the state.

In what why is a different nation forming within the United States, unless you isolate certain cultures as much as possible?

 

[Debbie Downer]

Tancredo objects to the creation and spread of a separate and different nation inside the United States. There are good reasons to do this, historically a Balkanized nation ends up at war with itself.

Which makes sense and I fully support. If you move to the US, become an American. That doesn't mean you have to lose all your culture, but look at how the Irish, Italians, Swedes, Greeks, etc assimilated. That's what should be demanded of all new immigrants.

 

[Zarn Solen]

Which makes sense and I fully support. If you move to the US, become an American. That doesn't mean you have to lose all your culture, but look at how the Irish, Italians, Swedes, Greeks, etc assimilated. That's what should be demanded of all new immigrants.

They had their own groups.

You guys really go out of your way to support a neocon, or is bombing people left and right okay now, too?

 

[Debbie Downer]

They had their own groups.

I know, but they have assimilated. You don't find 2nd generation Italian immigrants who don't speak English. They became Americans.

 

[AuH20]

I know, but they have assimilated. You don't find 2nd generation Italian immigrants who don't speak English. They became Americans.

Why do we baby hispanics in this country with the lingual aids and the rest of the crutch nonsense that the other ethnic groups never had? It's like they are a protected species and any criticism is immediately translated as racially motivated attacks. I'm so sick of the cultural marxism. People need to stand up and say enough is enough. Johnny can no longer wear diapers in high school. LOL

 

[EricMuck]

just logged in for the first time in forever to give support to Zarn. There is a disgusting trend of racism in conservative politics for the past 50 years or so. It wasn't that long ago that there was many different languages spoken in the United States of America. That is plural.

 

[Zarn Solen]

Why do we baby hispanics in this country with the lingual aids and the rest of the crutch nonsense that the other ethnic groups never had? It's like they are a protected species and any criticism is immediately translated as racially motivated attacks. I'm so sick of the cultural marxism. People need to stand up and say enough is enough. Johnny can no longer wear diapers in high school. LOL

I wouldn't say that is racist in of itself. I have no problem with people believing otherwise, but Tancredo goes out of his way to target Hispanics.

 

[AuH20]

just logged in for the first time in forever to give support to Zarn. There is a disgusting trend of racism in conservative politics for the past 50 years or so. It wasn't that long ago that there was many different languages spoken in the United States of America. That is plural.

There is nothing wrong with multiple modes of communication. But riddle me this. On the local level, one non-english party and an english speaking party want to engage in commerce with each other. How does this successfully occur without a common medium of communication? And this type of lingual compatability stretches across all types of societal interation and fields.

 

[EricMuck]

PEOPLE CAN SPEAK WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEY SO CHOOSE. THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY DAMNIT.

 

[AuH20]

PEOPLE CAN SPEAK WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEY SO CHOOSE. THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY DAMNIT.

Exactly. No one cares what language humans utilize for communication purposes, but versatility is imperative. Are you familiar with the Tower of Babel story?

 

[Zarn Solen]

There is nothing wrong with multiple modes of communication. But riddle me this. On the local level, one non-english party and an english speaking party want to engage in commerce with each other. How does this successfully occur without a common medium of communication? And this type of lingual compatability stretches across all types of societal interation and fields.

Tancredo's problem was not that Spanish people would not learn English for direct communication (in the case in which I am referring). His problem was there was a successful way to translate English responses into Spanish for a TV audience that has an easier time hearing political questions and answers in Spanish. It did not mean they did not understand English. It means Spanish was easier and more comfortable for them. That is the reason why people will speak another language at home. BTW, Ron Paul was a willing participator in said debate.

I do have to give you credit though for at least discussing this maturely. That type of response is not exactly all the rage on the internet.

 

[AuH20]

Tancredo's problem was not that Spanish people would not learn English for direct communication (in the case in which I am referring). His problem was there was a successful way to translate English responses into Spanish for a TV audience that has an easier time hearing political questions and answers in Spanish. It did not mean they did not understand English. It means Spanish was easier and more comfortable for them. That is the reason why people will speak another language at home. BTW, Ron Paul was a willing participator in said debate.

Tancredo is not an advocate for babying or placating certain ethnic groups in this country. He does hold any ill will towards the spanish language.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I thought it was weird that he singled out Miami. Why not Philly, Cleveland, or Detroit? The guy that usually talks about Hispanics singled out Miami. I never once said Miami was a great place.

Massive immigration from Mexico is the threat that Colorado faces. Mexicans are Hispanic. Tancredo talks about Hispanic immigration because it is the issue which is relevant to the state he comes from. Miami is a city that has turned in to a hell hole because of massive immigration from largely Hispanic countries. Philly, Cleveland, and Detroit are all hell holes, but not for that reason. He singled out Miami because it was relevant (or at least the closest thing to relevant that exists on the East Coast), not because he "hates Hispanics" or whatever it is you are talking about.

 

[Zarn Solen]

How is that babying? It is simply more effective communication.

 

[AuH20]

How is that babying? It is simply more effective communication.

Yes and no.

 

[Zarn Solen]

Massive immigration from Mexico is the threat that Colorado faces. Mexicans are Hispanic. Tancredo talks about Hispanic immigration because it is the issue which is relevant to the state he comes from. Miami is a city that has turned in to a hell hole because of massive immigration from largely Hispanic countries. Philly, Cleveland, and Detroit are all hell holes, but not for that reason. He singled out Miami because it was relevant, not because he "hates Hispanics" or whatever it is you are talking about.

Most legal immigrants are Mexicans. Those are the ones I'm talking about. What about them being Mexican/ Spanish speaking/ Hispanic is a problem?

 

[Debbie Downer]

Why do we baby hispanics in this country with the lingual aids and the rest of the crutch nonsense that the other ethnic groups never had? It's like they are a protected species and any criticism is immediately translated as racially motivated attacks. I'm so sick of the cultural marxism. People need to stand up and say enough is enough. Johnny can no longer wear diapers in high school. LOL

I'm a Hispanic and I hate Hispanics who can't even learn English yet think they have a birthright to live in the US.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Most legal immigrants are Mexicans. Those are the ones I'm talking about. What about them being Mexican/ Spanish speaking/ Hispanic is a problem?

Have you ever been to Mexico? Have you ever been to New Mexico? Now compare those places to Colorado. Do you really think the people of Colorado want their state to turn in to New Mexico? Well, if every immigrant from Mexico that wanted to move to Colorado were allowed to do so, that is exactly what would happen. Nobody is saying it is a "problem" being a Mexican in and of itself. The "problem" is immigration of Mexicans to a specific place in a specific context. Colorado is a beautiful state with a high quality of life. If the immigration patterns are not altered in some way, it will in a relatively shot time become an unlivable hell hole. Many people in Colorado, understandably, don't want to see that happen.

 

[Zarn Solen]

I'm a Hispanic and I hate Hispanics who can't even learn English yet think they have a birthright to live in the US.

But he is including those willing to learn English but are still more comfortable with Spanish. It's great you can grasp other languages, but some people struggle. Yes, I also realize there are people who do not care and even try to learn English. I don't like those ones, either.

 

[Zarn Solen]

Have you ever been to Mexico? Have you ever been to New Mexico? Now compare those places to Colorado. Do you really think the people of Colorado want their state to turn in to New Mexico? Well, if every immigrant from Mexico that wanted to move to Colorado were allowed to do so, that is exactly what would happen. Nobody is saying it is a "problem" being a Mexican in and of itself. The "problem" is immigration of Mexicans to a specific place in a specific context.

They had political cartoons about that type of thing concerning the mass immigration of Southern and Eastern Europeans. It turns out, mass immigration is not a problem, if you know how to handle it.