Shock Poll: Hickenlooper: 42% Tancredo: 41%

[AuH20]

Someone neg repped me for calling Tancredo out on his racism. I guess the neg repper didn't care, because Tancredo wasn't targeting his 'race.'

This guy not only has problems with Hispanics in the Southwest (his whole Central Americans gang members are going to get us all fear-mongering commercial), but he went to Miami to pick a fight. He even called Miami "third world."

He doesn't like any vehicle that allows Spanish speakers to connect with the rest of the country. I understand he wants people to know English, but some people are still more comfortable listening to news, debates, etc... in their native language. This allows some Hispanics to have a better understanding of US politics. It is actually a uniter and not a divider. Why take that away?

The Supreme Court Justice to had the big beef with was Sotomayor. I can't stand here, and I think her being on the bench is an insult to Hispanics. However, he accused her of being in the "Latino KKK." That is way out there.

Whenever he takes a stand on something, Hispanics are the bad guys.

This is vastly different than the Paul family. They want secure borders, but they also wanted to treat Hispanics with respect. Ron's approach was saying Hispanics were just like everyone else. Rand's approach was similar, but he addressed this point specifically to Hispanics.

What you miscategorize as "racist" is actually cultural elitism, especially when you consider the disastrous effects that multiculturalism has ushered forth in this nation. Tancredo doesn't hate hispanics (he's actually darker than some hispanics LOL), but rather the special interest groups that have forcefed us these great lies, which are intentionally designed to garner artificial guilt and sympathy for an insidious cause.

 

[youngbuck]

Tancredo would be exponentially better than Hickenlooper. Absolute worst case, it would be voting for the lesser of two evils, but I don't see Tancredo as quite that bad.

 

[thoughtomator]

Someone neg repped me for calling Tancredo out on his racism. I guess the neg repper didn't care, because Tancredo wasn't targeting his 'race.'

Someone probably neg repped you for using the most dishonest attack in modern politics, the racism dog whistle.

As Tancredo proposes no actual race-based policy whatsoever, perhaps you'd like to consider changing the language you use to something a little bit more rational and supportable and less along the lines of emotional bomb-throwing?

Could the "racism" you see in Tancredo actually be your own bias against anyone who gives an unapologetic argument in favor of US sovereignty?

 

[Zarn Solen]

But you can you explain why he does the things he does. That is substantial proof that he targets Hispanics, specifically.

AuH20 and anyone else, If you want to talk about it honestly and openly, I am more than willing. But by all means, some of you can keep neg speking me and insulting me. Bullying never worked on me, and it is not going to work now.

 

[stu2002]

GO TOM GO

 

[Zarn Solen]

Thoughtomator, wouldn't I be disgusted with the Pauls and many of you, if I had a problem with US sovereignty? I understand the need more enforcing US sovereignty.

 

[thoughtomator]

But you can you explain why he does the things he does. That is substantial proof that he targets Hispanics, specifically.

Bring your argument to the table; vague statements are not debatable arguments. What specifically does he do that you object to?

 

[AuH20]

But you can you explain why he does the things he does. That is substantial proof that he targets Hispanics, specifically.

AuH20 and anyone else, If you want to talk about it honestly and openly, I am more than willing. But by all means, some of you can keep neg speking me and insulting me. Bullying never worked on me, and it is not going to work now.

I would never neg rep someone I disagree with. Now regarding Hispanics, yes he attacks their political power base, but he doesn't believe that Americans are racially superior to Hispanics. Don't conflate the two.

 

[Zarn Solen]

I am sorry, I should have separated that part into a different paragraph. It was not meant for you or anyone willing to discuss.

Thoughtomater, I have few in the 18th post. To be honest, I don't remember some of the stuff, since it was a while back. He always had that fixation with Hispanics, and I think it is harmful to many people and not just Hispanics.

 

[Keith and stuff]

But you can you explain why he does the things he does. That is substantial proof that he targets Hispanics, specifically.

AuH20 and anyone else, If you want to talk about it honestly and openly, I am more than willing. But by all means, some of you can keep neg speking me and insulting me. Bullying never worked on me, and it is not going to work now.

Even if you are going to claim race is real, you should still admit that most Hispanics are White. If you beleive in races, they are the same race anyway. Therefore, the term you are looking for isn't racist. Maybe you should call him a culturalist or something more accurate.

 

[Zarn Solen]

Even if you are going to claim race is real, you should still admit that most Hispanics are White. If you beleive in races, they are the same race anyway. Therefore, the term you are looking for isn't racist. Maybe you should call him a culturalist or something more accurate.

I could understand that argument. In fact, I would say humans are one race. However, that does not mean Tancredo sees it that way.

 

[AuH20]

I am sorry, I should have separated that part into a different paragraph. It was not meant for you or anyone willing to discuss.

Thoughtomater, I have few in the 18th post. To be honest, I don't remember some of the stuff, since it was a while back. He always had that fixation with Hispanics, and I think it is harmful to many people and not just Hispanics.

Tancredo has a controversial and un-politically correct form of expression, but unfortunately most of his rhetoric is fact based. I'm an objectivist, so this delivery doesn't really bother me, while it will irk others.

 

[RonPaulMall]

This guy not only has problems with Hispanics in the Southwest (his whole Central Americans gang members are going to get us all fear-mongering commercial), but he went to Miami to pick a fight. He even called Miami "third world."

I live in Miami and can assure you this place IS a third world country. I live on the beach, which is bearable, but if I drive to the mainland, 9/10 it is to get to the airport. The mainland is an utter hell hole. And when I have children, I'll have to move because Miami is no place any sane person would raise their kid and that is 100% due to immigration (and not all of it Hispanic- Haitian immigration is a huge problem down here too). Saying you don't want Colorado to turn in to Mexico is not "racist". If the people of Colorado wanted to live in Mexico, they'd move there. "Racism" is an argument people use when they want to stop using their brains.

 

[Zarn Solen]

If he was as critical of others as he was of people who happen to be Hispanic than I could see that. However, that is not the case. His rhetoric is definitely aimed to define things based on 'racial' (which yes on reality is more like cultural) lines.

I noticed someone mentioned multiculturalism. The United States is not one culture. It never even has been. Maryland used to be English Catholic, and the rest of the original colonies were divided up between Western denominations and cultures (even Swedish). I do not believe we have to learn other people's cultures (like multi-cultualism wants), but I do think people should be able to practice the cultures of their ancestors (or anyone's ancestors), if they wish. If people wanted to listen to the radio in Polish, I don't see a problem with it (given they run their own station). This is really getting into a different topic, though. Maybe it belongs in another thread somewhere.

I know I have a problem with a massive amount of parenthesis. I'm seeing a doctor, a shrink, and priest about it.

 

[Zarn Solen]

I live in Miami and can assure you this place IS a third world country. I live on the beach, which is bearable, but if I drive to the mainland, 9/10 it is to get to the airport. The mainland is an utter hell hole. And when I have children, I'll have to move because Miami is no place any sane person would raise their kid and that is 100% due to immigration (and not all of it Hispanic- Haitian immigration is a huge problem down here too). Saying you don't want Colorado to turn in to Mexico is not "racist". If the people of Colorado wanted to live in Mexico, they'd move there. "Racism" is an argument people use when they want to stop using their brains.

I thought it was weird that he singled out Miami. Why not Philly, Cleveland, or Detroit? The guy that usually talks about Hispanics singled out Miami. I never once said Miami was a great place.

 

[AuH20]

If he was as critical of others as he was of people who happen to be Hispanic than I could see that. However, that is not the case. His rhetoric is definitely aimed to define things based on 'racial' (which yes on reality is more like cultural) lines.

I noticed someone mentioned multiculturalism. The United States is not one culture. It never even has been. Maryland used to be English Catholic, and the rest of the original colonies were divided up between Western denominations and cultures (even Swedish). I do not believe we have to learn other people's cultures (like multi-cultualism wants), but I do think people should be able to practice the cultures of their ancestors (or anyone's ancestors), if they wish. If people wanted to listen to the radio in Polish, I don't see a problem with it (given they run their own station). This is really getting into a different topic, though. Maybe it belongs in another thread somewhere.
I know I have a problem with a massive amount of parenthesis. I'm seeing a doctor, a shrink, and priest about it.

I don't think anyone here is advocating for Americans to abandon their sub-cultures or ethnic identities, but rather abandon this ridiculous notion that that one of these sub-cultures can be on the same dominant level with the conglomerate blueprint known as Western Civilization. This transnational progressivism that has entrenched itself here from Europe and Latin American is directly opposed to the unique property and individual right based system that Western Civ has sparked.

 

[Debbie Downer]

Even if you are going to claim race is real, you should still admit that most Hispanics are White. If you beleive in races, they are the same race anyway. Therefore, the term you are looking for isn't racist. Maybe you should call him a culturalist or something more accurate.

Most Hispanics are not white. Most are mestizo which although they do have some white blood, they are not white, they are mostly native american. White Hispanics are a minority, both in Latin America and in the United States.

This is a Mestizo Hispanic (some random lower-class Mexican):

This is a White Hispanic (Mexican singer Belinda):

 

[Zarn Solen]

Right, but that was my problem with Tancredo. He didn't want a presidential debate translated in Spanish for a TV audience. If anything, using Spanish could be a key to reaching out to Hispanics*, which are by the way, Westerners.

*Meaning not targeting their votes but reaching out to them as American citizens.

 

[Zarn Solen]

Mestizo is a poor term to use, and they have 'white blood.'

 

[Debbie Downer]

Mestizo is a poor term to use, and they have 'white blood.'

Mestizo isn't a 'poor term,' it's the term used by them and anyone knows anything about different types of Hispanics/Latin Americans. It's not a derogatory term, if that's what you think.

Yeah, they might have some white blood, but they vast majority of Mestizos are as white as Obama.