Sentinelese tribe: Rare footage captures one of world's last uncontacted indigenous people

[Dr.3D]

...?

Comparing losses to large populations against losses to small populations, using percentages is like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[timosman]

...?

Why are you such a dummy?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Comparing losses to large populations against losses to small populations, using percentages is like comparing apples and oranges.

Honduras
--murders per year, 5,936
--murder rate, 84.6 per 100,000

United States
--murders per year, 12,253
--murder rate, 3.9 per 100,000

Which would you say is the more violent society? For which is violence a bigger problem?

 

[Dr.3D]

Honduras
--murders per year, 5,936
--murder rate, 84.6 per 100,000

United States
--murders per year, 12,253
--murder rate, 3.9 per 100,000

Which would you say is the more violent society? For which is violence a bigger problem?

Obviously, the country with the higher count has a serious problem.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Obviously, the country with the higher count has a serious problem.

So, just to be clear, you're saying that the US is a more violent society, more troubled by violence, than Honduras?

 

[Origanalist]

Obviously, the country with the higher count has a serious problem.

I guess Homeland Security needs to step it up.

 

[Origanalist]

So, just to be clear, you're saying that the US is a more violent society, more troubled by violence, than Honduras?

That's not what he said.

 

[Dr.3D]

So, just to be clear, you're saying that the US is a more violent society, more troubled by violence, than Honduras?

More people are dying in the United States.

Suppose we compare a population with two people and one kills the other? One person lost their life, but 50% of the population died.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

More people are dying in the United States.

Yea, I know, I just posted that.

I'm asking you if you think that fact makes the US the more violent society, the one more troubled by violence.

...despite Honduras having a murder rate ~25 TIMES higher.

Suppose we compare a population with two people and one kills the other? One person lost their life, but 50% of the population died.

The one with the 50% murder rate is the more violent.

It's the one where an individual is more likely to be be murdered.

It's the one which suffers more economic or other disruption from violence.

 

[Dr.3D]

Yea, I know, I just posted that.

I'm asking you if you think that fact makes the US the more violent society, the one more troubled by violence.

...despite Honduras having a murder rate ~25 TIMES higher.



The one with the 50% murder rate is the more violent.

It's the one where an individual is more likely to be be murdered.

It's the one which suffers more economic or other disruption from violence.

Sure, 50% of the people in that sample were violent.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Sure, 50% of the people in that sample were violent.

That's right...

Now, can you give a straight answer to the question?

Or is there some reason why you don't want to actually state "the US is more violent than Honduras"?

...could be it, maybe, because you know that's an absurd statement?

 

[Dr.3D]

That's right...

Now, can you give a straight answer to the question?

Or is there some reason why you don't want to actually state "the US is more violent than Honduras"?

...could be it, maybe, because you know that's an absurd statement?

More people died in the United Stated from violence than from our 2 person sample. Percentage means nothing. How hard is that to understand?

 

[TheTexan]

I can't imagine how much back taxes they must owe.

 

[TheTexan]

He's saying that if you think something needs to be done about them, go do it.

Are you crazy? Have you seen the spears that they have?

It would be much better to send an Officer.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Percentage means nothing. How hard is that to understand?

I find it hard to believe that you actually believe that.

I find it hard to believe that you would not be interested in the murder rate where you live, for instance.

That you would not prefer to live in a town with a lower murder rate, all else being equal.

But, so be it.

Now let's consider this from another angle.

If stateless societies have on average a 15% murder rate, what would happen if the world today (with its 7+ billion population) went stateless?

What would happen to the total number of murders (which, according to you, is the metric that matters)?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The concept of aggression itself has fuzzy edges, and what constitutes "greater" or "lesser" aggression is even more problematic.

Yep, one faces the same problem in comparing heterogeneous bads as in comparing heterogeneous goods. One approach is to simply leave the edges fuzzy and acknowledge that its a subjective judgment. Alternately, one could try to create a formal rule, e.g. comparing aggressions on the basis of their impact on standards of living (e.g. GDP per capita). But, then, those economic metrics themselves face the same problem of cardinal value, so you're really just removing yourself from the problem by one degree, rather than solving it. Nonetheless, despite those theoretical problems, decisions must be made - even inaction is a decision.

In World A, you commit the aggression of trespass by breaking into the cabin. In World B, you do not.

World A and World B are otherwise identical. Thus, "more aggression overall" exists in World A than in World B.

By the utilitarian "mimimization of aggression" standard you have cited above and elsewhere, should you not prefer World A (where you die) over World B (where you do not)?

Yes, you should. In these unusual situations, exceptions might be made. The problem here is one of imperfect information. Since the cabin owner isn't home, he's unaware that there is a mutually beneficial agreement to be made with the hiker (the hiker would presumably pay anything, supposing the cabin owner wouldn't just let him in for free). One might develop a principle that, in such situations, i.e. where permission is absent not because the owner consciously refused it, but because he isn't even aware it's being sought, trespass is justifiable, provided the owner is compensated after the fact. Likewise with the pharmacy example.

 

[oyarde]

I can't imagine how much back taxes they must owe.

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[RonPaulIsGreat]

Leave them there, can you imagine how inbred they are, likely half of them are functionally retarded, and their DNA is a trash heap. If you only have a 100 people there is going to be a lot of brother sister banging, daddy daughter, cousin on cousin action etc... I'd be more likely to carpet bomb the place than contact them. Forget all the talk of rights, liberty, etc... They are biohazard from a genetic perspective.

 

[oyarde]

Leave them there, can you imagine how inbred they are, likely half of them are functionally retarded, and their DNA is a trash heap. If you only have a 100 people there is going to be a lot of brother sister banging, daddy daughter, cousin on cousin action etc... I'd be more likely to carpet bomb the place than contact them. Forget all the talk of rights, liberty, etc... They are biohazard from a genetic perspective.

Maybe the in breeding is not as bad as what has been guessed ?

 

[Occam's Banana]