Sentinelese tribe: Rare footage captures one of world's last uncontacted indigenous people

[r3volution 3.0]

As far as the murders go, there's a little more to the story. Apparently, these folks had reason to believe the fishermen could be hostile.

Maybe they did, but that would require further inquiry.

Knowing you could import diseases that could kill them off completely...

I seriously doubt that. This isn't America c. 1491.

These people have probably been in contact (albeit sporadic) with the Asian mainland for millennia.

And we know they've been in recent contact with fisherman and salvage operators (two of whom are dead and rotting on the island).

Anyway, I don't think I have much more to say about this. I see enough to justify a little investigating; we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Origanalist]

Maybe they did, but that would require further inquiry.



I seriously doubt that. This isn't America c. 1491.

These people have probably been in contact (albeit sporadic) with the Asian mainland for millennia.

And we know they've been in recent contact with fisherman and salvage operators (two of whom are dead and rotting on the island).

Anyway, I don't think I have much more to say about this. I see enough to justify a little investigating; we'll have to agree to disagree.

I guess you skipped over the part where many of them were killed by outsiders. I suggest you go do the investigating yourself since you think it's justified. I got a c note that says you aint going anywhere near there and just want someone else to.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Let's see. Hunter-gatherers are more violent? Than what?

Than people living in a state society.

They did this with multitudes and their killing was a whole bit larger. And larger. And larger.

In absolute number? Of course, but not relative population.

The violent death rate is much higher among non-state societies, and that's what matters.

 

[phill4paul]

I see enough to justify a little investigating; we'll have to agree to disagree.

By all means....

And please proceed in your endeavor if your conscience tells you that you should.

Just don't go trying to convince me that is a worthwhile endeavor.

And if you go , then win some points by meeting them on their own level with a bow and arrow. And please youtube.

 

[Origanalist]

By all means....

And please proceed in your endeavor if your conscience tells you that you should.

Just don't go trying to convince me that is a worthwhile endeavor.

And if you go , then win some points by meeting them on their own level with a bow and arrow. And please youtube.

Hell, pay per view even.

 

[Dr.3D]

Than people living in a state society.



In absolute number? Of course, but not relative population.

The violent death rate is much higher among non-state societies, and that's what matters.

Are you counting all those who die in the wars, those state society's cause?

 

[phill4paul]

Than people living in a state society.

No. They're not. For reasons I've explained.

In absolute number? Of course, but not relative population.

The violent death rate is much higher among non-state societies, and that's what matters.

In some yes. In some no. As I've already explained. Shall I do it again? Was it so subtle that you just missed it?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Are you counting all those who die in the wars, those state society's cause?

Yup

The graphs I posted include wars and genocides.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

]In some yes. In some no.

That's why we have averages.

The violent death rate for the average non-state society was much higher than for the average state society, even in the bloody 20th century.

 

[phill4paul]

That's why we have averages.

The violent death rate for the average non-state society was much higher than for the average state society, even in the bloody 20th century.

Averages and statistics.........

There are 5 individuals in your hunter-gatherer clan. You have come together because living independently is a bitch. Hunting and gathering together afford greater yields and protection. In a group of 5 what is the kill average within the group? When killing another member of the group means personal loss in a major way. In a group of 10? 20? 100? 100k? Humans have always been humans. It's the exponential that, because of averages, do the more harm.

And, argue it anyway to forever, I still don't give a fuck. Leave 'em alone or go show then the "proper" way to live a life. That's all on you.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Averages and statistics.........

There are 5 individuals in your hunter-gatherer clan. You have come together because living independently is a bitch. Hunting and gathering together afford greater yields and protection. In a group of 5 what is the kill average within the group? When killing another member of the group means personal loss in a major way. In a group of 10? 20? 100? 100k? Humans have always been humans. It's the exponential that, because of averages, do the more harm.

And, argue it anyway to forever, I still don't give a fuck. Leave 'em alone or go show then the "proper" way to live a life. That's all on you.

I really don't know what you're arguing...

Are you denying that non-state societies had a higher violent death rate (if so, based on what?), or just saying you don't care?

 

[Origanalist]

I really don't know what you're arguing...

Are you denying that non-state societies had a higher violent death rate (if so, based on what?), or just saying you don't care?

He's saying that if you think something needs to be done about them, go do it.

 

[Dr.3D]

Yup

The graphs I posted include wars and genocides.

And those graphs are in percent to total population in those societies?

 

[timosman]

That's why we have averages.

The violent death rate for the average non-state society was much higher than for the average state society, even in the bloody 20th century.

Says the state sponsored propaganda.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Says the state sponsored propaganda.

What state sponsored propaganda?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

And those graphs are in percent to total population in those societies?

Yea, it's violent deaths relative population.

That's the only metric that makes any sense.

 

[Dr.3D]

Yea, it's violent deaths relative population.

So if there were 5 people in the tribe and one of them got killed by the others, that would be 20% of the population.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

So if there were 5 people in the tribe and one of them got killed by the others, that would be 20% of the population.

That's generally how math works, yes.

 

[Dr.3D]

That's generally how math works, yes.

I rest my case.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I rest my case.

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