Senator Cruz on tax reform: Abolish the IRS

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SEE: Cruz: Abolish the IRS

January 13th , 2015

”Republican Sen. Ted Cruz said Monday that Republicans should take advantage of their control of Congress to abolish the Internal Revenue Service.

“We need to pass fundamental tax reform making our tax code simpler, flatter, fairer,” he said Monday at Heritage Action’s 2015 conservative policy summit. ”And I’ll tell you, the single most important tax reform, we should abolish the IRS.”


What is discouraging is, the above article goes on to say that Senator Ted Cruz ”… acknowledged it’s not really possible to abolish the IRS or adopt a flat tax while Obama is in office …”

Seems to me even if Obama were to agree to adopting a “flat tax” on “incomes” (profits, gains, salaries, interest, wages, tips, etc.) which I believe is what Senator Cruz is in favor of, the IRS would have to remain intact and the American people would continue to suffer all the miseries connected with this hideous form of taxation.

Would Congress not remain in charge of defining what is and is not “taxable income”? Wouldn’t a flat tax in incomes continue to allow taxation to be used by our federal government as a weapon against political foes, and to silence free speech? Is a flat tax on “income” not intentionally designed to place an unequal tax burden on our most productive and hardworking citizens, who are then taxed directly on their earned wages which is then used by corrupted politicians to buy the votes of the unemployed and unproductive who have been made dependent upon “free government cheese”? Would a flat tax on incomes not continue to generate class warfare and divide American Citizens into countless factious groups, each of which attack each other and seek to benefit from this unequal form of direct taxation? And how about the billions of dollars wasted each year by America’s taxpayers and businesses to conform to its regulations and record keeping, and its mandatory divulgence of personal information? Is this not in itself a cause to reject this hideous and oppressive form of taxation?

Moving on, is it really true that it’s not possible to abolish the IRS as we know it and adopt a fairer system of federal taxation while “Obama is in office” as suggested by Senator Cruz? Seems to me that Article V of our Constitution provides a pathway which would remove Obama from an effort to close down the IRS as we know it and adopt real tax reform. But this procedure, sending an amendment to the states for ratification would require the Republican controlled House and Senate to be sincere about wanting real tax reform.

I fully agree with Senator Cruz that "Republicans should take advantage of their control of Congress to abolish the Internal Revenue Service". And this could be accomplished by the Republican controlled Congress sending the following constitutional amendment to the states for ratification!



The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment


Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment, and require an annually balanced federal budget


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding fathers ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."

NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the apportioned tax to be laid.

"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."

NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish a deficit would be:

States’ population

---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE

Total U.S. Population

This formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to insure that those states who contribute the lion’s share of the tax are guaranteed a representation in Congress proportionately equal to their contribution, i.e., representation with a proportional financial obligation!


"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."

NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.

"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.


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The only question remaining is, is our Republican controlled Congress sincere about real tax reform and removing Obama from the equation?


JWK



“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
 
Gee, what an original idea.:p

Has abolishing their collection agency been cleared with the Rothschilds?
 
Gee, what an original idea.:p

Has abolishing their collection agency been cleared with the Rothschilds?


Why is it that not one of our “conservative” media personalities [Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Mike Huckabee, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain, etc.] will discuss the wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan, especially when it paved the way to not only control Congress, but created the economic underpinning which led to America becoming the economic marvel of the world?


JWK



Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

 
Why is it that not one of our “conservative” media personalities [Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Mike Huckabee, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain, etc.] will discuss the wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan, especially when it paved the way to not only control Congress, but created the economic underpinning which led to America becoming the economic marvel of the world?


JWK



Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?


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I wonder why Senator Cruz said we cannot get meaningful tax reform while Obama is president. He probably was referring to the president's veto power. But if the Republican controlled Congress sent an amendment to the states such as the FAIR SHARE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT, it would effectively remove Obama from the process. Is it possible that Senator Cruz may have missed this pathway to real tax reform? Keep in mind that Republican Governors are in control in a majority of the States! Sending an amendment to the states at this point in time which offers real tax reform seems like a good idea!



JWK




“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
 
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I wonder why Senator Cruz said we cannot get meaningful tax reform while Obama is president.


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"ABOLISH THE IRS"

Dude...Republicans and Democrats are illusions created by the central banks.
 
Dude...Republicans and Democrats are illusions created by the central banks.


Could be, but why is it that not one of our “conservative” media personalities [Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Mike Huckabee, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain, etc.] have been willing to discussed on the air the wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan, especially when it was designed to control the conduct of Congress and paved the way for America becoming the economic marvel of the world?


JWK



“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
 
Could be, but why is it that not one of ourconservative” media personalities have been willing to discussed on the air the wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan, especially when it was designed to control the conduct of Congress and paved the way for America becoming the economic marvel of the world?
JWK

You saw the Wizard of Oz pic I posted?
The media personalities are neither "our" nor "conservative". The same folks who own congress own the media. As long as people keep pulling the lever for the republocrat, the illusion of government remains.

"oooooh...me so mad, me vote for republican/ oooooh...me so mad, me vote for democrat."

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What would a flat tax mean? Since just under half of all people who filed income tax forms last year owed no net taxes to the government, most would see their taxes go up. Some estimates say 84% of people would face higher taxes. http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/18/news/economy/cain_999_plan/

In 2013, personal income in the US totaled just over $14 trillion. http://www.statista.com/statistics/216756/us-personal-income/

Let's say we don't exempt anything (to keep it simple but you know exemptions and deductions are not going to go away but let's assume they do).

What would our tax rate need to be? Depends on what you want to do. Do you want to pay for the entire budget of about $3.5 trillion so we don't have a deficit and no other taxes? We need a 25% tax rate on every dollar you earn.

What about just replacing the revenues currently collected via income taxes? Income taxes were 46% of government revenues https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/revenues/ which would be $1.6 trillion. To replace that with a flat tax on every dollar of personal income we need a flat tax rate of 11.5% on every dollar you earn. Keeping in mind again that about half of all taxpayers paid zero in federal income taxes.

If you start adding in exemptions (like say the first $20,000 of income to reduce the burden on poor people) you need to make those rates higher.
 
Without the IRS, how will they pay for his dream of worldwide extermination of the evil towelheads?

LOL! How will Cruz find money to give to Israel without the IRS? I bet he hasn't thought this through. Senator Cruz talks like a used car salesman.
 
Fair tax is a sales tax. If you want to balance the current budget with that (and only that), you need a 30% tax on all goods and services.

If you start exempting things like food, it will have to be higher. And when people then have less money to spend on goods, they will of course buy less which would require an even higher rate to get the same revenues.
 
Could be, but why is it that not one of our “conservative” media personalities [Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Mike Huckabee, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain, etc.] have been willing to discussed on the air the wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan, especially when it was designed to control the conduct of Congress and paved the way for America becoming the economic marvel of the world?

Because not of those Fools and professional propagandists NOT are actually conservative.

Neo-Conservative is not conservative.
 
Fair tax is a sales tax. If you want to balance the current budget with that (and only that), you need a 30% tax on all goods and services.

I suspect the Fair Tax is anything but fair..
And what makes you think I am interested in balancing the current budget? I want to eliminate it.
and screw the deficit too. I never asked for any of that spending.
 
I suspect the Fair Tax is anything but fair..
And what makes you think I am interested in balancing the current budget? I want to eliminate it.
and screw the deficit too. I never asked for any of that spending.


The alleged "fairtax" (H.R. 25) would create two new taxes: a 25% tax on the purchase of labor and another 25 % tax on articles of consumption, and it would keep alive Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes.


JWK


Are we really to believe the founder of fairtax.org., Leo E. Linbeck Jr. and Herman Cain, both former ringleaders of the federal reserve banking cartel which plunders our national treasury?
 
Without the IRS, how will they pay for his dream of worldwide extermination of the evil towelheads?

(Or his stinking war on drugs..or his new Dept. of Abortion Reduction...etc.ad gd nauseam..i must admit, as bad as Rand Paul is, Bozo Cruz makes Rand look like a genius..


 
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Could be, but why is it that not one of our “conservative” media personalities [Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Mike Huckabee, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain, etc.] have been willing to discussed on the air the wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan, especially when it was designed to control the conduct of Congress and paved the way for America becoming the economic marvel of the world?


JWK



“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
They're part of the Cathedral like the rest of the media. It's too simplistic to call them "controlled" opposition, because I do think most of those people are just genuinely ignorant instead of duplicitous. That being said, the left plays the tune and the right dances to it. It's been like that since the creation of the "New Right" in the post-WW2 era. There hasn't been a real right wing for decades, Republicans just play catch up and advocate the positions Democrats did a few decades previous. The libertarian movement is the only hope for the reemergence of a real right wing in America, and we can't under any circumstances drop the ball.
 
There hasn't been a real right wing for decades, Republicans just play catch up and advocate the positions Democrats did a few decades previous. The libertarian movement is the only hope for the reemergence of a real right wing in America, and we can't under any circumstances drop the ball.

Ah, so there it is. Please fill us in on what the "REAL" right wing is. "We" drop the ball the second "we" let you co-opt the libertarian movement with your racist idiocy. There's a reason you roaches haven't been seen in decades, and I have a can of RAID waiting for your "reemergence."
 
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