Senate vote 100-0

[UtahApocalypse]

This.

Not to say I wouldn't consider voting for him... but I'd never support him the way I support Ron.

This is a disappointing vote.

I think that is a more accurate way to view my support. I may vote for him but hell if I will phone from home, canvass, donate, or anything else.

 

[bluesc]

International law is at odds with him here.

"International law" will always be at odds with Ron, since he opposes it.

Drop the damage control for Rand, please. A couple of months ago you were saying he sent the letter in support of sanctions as a strategy to grab power, and that the letter had no power of law behind it, and you seemed to think that he would vote against the sanctions should they come up for a vote. Well, he voted for them, and that vote has the power of law behind it.

 

[ExPatPaki]

This was a 100-0 vote to kill potentially hundreds of thousands of children.

That's what US politicians want. They think that brown children are going to grow up to become terrorists. Why else would they and their fervent supporters want children dead?

 

[kylejack]

Liberty Eagle neg-repped me hours after the vote link had already been posted in this thread and said I didn't even know what Rand's vote was.

LE, let me give you a little tip from Glengarry Glen Ross: "You never open your mouth until you know what the shot is." Shame on you.

 

[ZanZibar]

Who wrote this international law?

By and large it comes from spontaneous order.

 

[Brett85]

Aren't there a way to say all senators agree without a vote? I think that is what they tried to do against rand before.

This is something they all actually voted on. Rand just supports sanctions against Iran. But it's not something he's ever talked about.

 

[american.swan]

When something is said to have passed by "unanimous consent" generally it means there was not a vote at all. I'm not an expert here, but I believe a Senator can ask for a bill to be passed by unanimous consent, and if their are no objections, it is passed without a formal vote. Any Senator can object and call for a verbal vote or a written vote.

So it could be that Rand just wasn't there that day to object, or he decided objecting wasn't worth it (pick your fights.) Or he could think sanctions against Iran are a good idea. I don't know.

VERY GOOD response.

 

[Brett85]

Would 99-Yes, 1-No really make a difference?

I would've voted "no" had I been in the Senate, because it's something that I'm strongly against. It doesn't matter that I would be the only one voting "no." But it's obvious that Rand supports sanctions philosophically. Rand wouldn't hestitate being the lone "no" vote on something like the Patriot Act.

 

[kylejack]

VERY GOOD response.

Not really. The vote has already been linked, which means there was an actual vote, not unanimous consent. Unanimous consent votes don't show up on that roster. Rand voted for this.

 

[Brett85]

What do you see as the upside of this strategy?

And if he were to be elected president in 2016, should we expect him to continue following this strategy and get us into a war with Iran, or should we expect him all of a sudden to change into his dad when the political pressure to compromise will be 10 times what he's experiencing now?

I imagine that Rand believes that sanctions are an alternative to war. I don't believe that Rand would vote to go to war against Iran. He opposed the Iraq War.

 

[Brett85]

Like when he went on TV and opposed the payroll tax cut recently? Ron Paul never voted for a tax increase and supported the payroll tax cut. Rand Paul opposes the payroll tax cut and nobody is ever going to call him The Taxpayer's Best Friend.

Rand Paul voted for the payroll tax cut. He never opposed it.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Rand voted to sanction Iran?! Typical Rand. I never liked this guy.

Are you serious? You cannot agree with anyone all of the time. You and change your mind from time to time so 5 years from now you aren't going to agree with some of the things you did yesterday.

 

[Number19]

I'm preaching to the choir, but for those of you who are new to the movement, there is a link between what is happening with the Iranian sanctions and Ron Paul's campaign against the FED.

The FED represents control of the U.S. financial system and access to the American financial system is the tool by which our government exerts control over the rest of the world's governments and economies. Iran's economy is heavily dependent upon its oil exports, which is dependent upon financial transactions between the various international banking systems. The sanctions against Iran will be enforced by barring foreign banks from access to the U.S. financial system, if those banks do business with Iran.

Now, when Ron Paul is elected President, and when we dismantle the FED, then what tool is the United States left with to exert power and control over other nations and the world's economies?

 

[GHoeberX]

To each his own strategy!

I wonder though what Justin Amash would have voted if this was in congress! I have the feelings he's more like Ron Paul then Rand is

 

[Brett85]

Wow, Rand Paul did apparently vote for sanctions against Iran. Sounds like he's just another politician. I regret helping him campaign assuming that the law was titled correctly.

I can't understand why you and others would drop your support of Rand because of one issue. Do you really have to agree with a politician on every single issue in order to support him or her?

 

[bluesc]

To each his own strategy!

I wonder though what Justin Amash would have voted if this was in congress! I have the feelings he's more like Ron Paul then Rand is

Amash drank the Iran fear kool-aid too.

 

[Brett85]

2. Strict and complete adherence to non-interventionist and peaceful foreign policy

So I guess if somebody is a 90% non interventionist, that's not good enough for you. You would just sit back and allow the 100% interventionist to win.

 

[Brett85]

To each his own strategy!

I wonder though what Justin Amash would have voted if this was in congress! I have the feelings he's more like Ron Paul then Rand is

Amash voted for the sanctions as well.

 

[kylejack]

Rand Paul voted for the payroll tax cut. He never opposed it.

Rand opposed the payroll tax cut, but was willing to compromise with the President in return for the pipeline deal. Rand whined that the payroll tax cut didn't create jobs. I, on the other hand, see cutting payroll taxes as a good thing in their own right.

 

[ZanZibar]

A couple of months ago you were saying he sent the letter in support of sanctions as a strategy to grab power, and that the letter had no power of law behind it, and you seemed to think that he would vote against the sanctions should they come up for a vote. Well, he voted for them, and that vote has the power of law behind it.

And I was wrong and I admit it. I don't like the sanctions, but I have also come to realize that they are not an actual act of war by doing some research and studying on the issue.