Senate to vote on Iran resolution on Wednesday

[tsai3904]

But the fact that I criticize one or two of his votes or one or two of his statements means that I'm some kind of "Rand hater" who should stay off his forum. It's just ridiculous. Some of you are Rand cultists, not Rand supporters.

Criticism is fine but there has been a lot of exaggerations of what Rand said or what Rand voted for.

The whole deal with the drug war was based on a reporter's take of what he heard without any quotes from Rand. Yet, a lot of people were going around claiming Rand supports the drug war which is far from the truth since he doesn't want to throw people in jail and he supports states deciding to legalize pot.

Same with Rand's drones comments. There were people here who literally thought Rand supported killing a robber coming out of a liquor store for the SOLE reason of holding a gun and cash. Criticism of his position that drones can be used in imminent threat situations is fine but when people go around claiming that Rand supports killing people without due process is just too much.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

War with Iran isn't going to happen. If it ever gets close, Rand will vote against an authorization almost for sure considering it would come prematurely. Syria is ongoing. They're not passing phony pep talk resolutions with regard to Syria, they're sending money and weapons. That's a bigger deal.

How can you state as fact that war with Iran won't happen?

 

[Brett85]

Same with Rand's drones comments. There were people here who literally thought Rand supported killing a robber coming out of a liquor store for the SOLE reason of holding a gun and cash. Criticism of his position that drones can be used in imminent threat situations is fine but when people go around claiming that Rand supports killing people without due process is just too much.

I defended him on that one. I said that he probably just misspoke. I also defended his endorsement of Romney. I'm not one of the people who will only bash Rand and never give him any credit for anything or never defend him.

 

[klamath]

And vice versa, some people here will blindly defend Rand no matter what he does. They think that any criticism at all of him is off limits. I've praised Rand for a lot of things. I praised him yesterday for what he said about Apple. I praised him for his 99-1 vote on the last Iran resolution. I was going to praise him if he voted against this resolution as well. I praised his filibuster. But the fact that I criticize one or two of his votes or one or two of his statements means that I'm some kind of "Rand hater" who should stay off his forum. It's just ridiculous. Some of you are Rand cultists, not Rand supporters.

Did I name you? The RP cultism is 100,000% more than rand cultism ever could think of being. I could recognize the Ron cultism from the very beginning but I let it go. I am not a cult follower of either one but if I am overall supporting the man I keep my criticisms down as soon enough the anti Ron anti Rand forces will be doing it. I actually have a lot of issues with RP's lying and being hypocritical (I can hear the collective intake of breath already. BLASPHEMY!) and I would be banned if I carried on continually about them. In fact I was banned because I disagreed with others on strategy after RP suspended his campaign. You better be goddamned sure if I was hammering the hell out of RP himself I would have been banned.

 

[Brett85]

I am not a cult follower of either one but if I am overall supporting the man I keep my criticisms down.

Yeah, I should try to keep it to a minimum as well. It's just that this vote was extremely disappointing to me. I view this resolution as nothing more than utter garbage. I just wish we had at least one Senator who would get on the Senate floor and speak out against this kind of stuff.

 

[ican'tvote]

Oh here we go again. Rinse and repeat. Post the text of the resolution that Rand voted for sanctions. Did you read the resolution or are you spitting up blogger spin like TC and FF? I don't mean to attack you since Im already worked up but Im thoroughly sick of people passing off soundbites and blog/comment spin as "fact". Post the text of the resolution you referenced.

Main amendment page (the sanctions were an amendment to the 2013 NDAA)
Text of the amendment.
Here's how he voted.

Here's a small sample in case you're on a device that doesn't let you view links.

SEC. 1255. IMPOSITION OF SANCTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE SALE, SUPPLY, OR TRANSFER OF CERTAIN MATERIALS TO OR FROM IRAN.

(a) Sale, Supply, or Transfer of Certain Materials.--The President shall impose 5 or more of the sanctions described in section 6(a) of the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-172; 50 U.S.C. 1701 note) with respect to a person if the President determines that the person knowingly, on or after the date that is 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, sells, supplies, or transfers, directly or indirectly, to or from Iran--

(1) a precious metal;

(2) a material described in subsection (c) determined pursuant to subsection (d)(1) to be used by Iran as described in that subsection;

(3) any other material described in subsection (c)

 

[klamath]

Yeah, I should try to keep it to a minimum as well. It's just that this vote was extremely disappointing to me. I view this resolution as nothing more than utter garbage. I just wish we had at least one Senator who would get on the Senate floor and speak out against this kind of stuff.

I don't like it either. If Rand votes for a AUMF against Iran then I would be done as far as supporting him for president but then again it depends on who he is running against as I strongly supported Ron after he voted for an AUMF against the world.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't like it either. If Rand votes for a AUMF against Iran then I would be done as far as supporting him for president but then again it depends on who he is running against as I strongly supported Ron after he voted for an AUMF against the world.

cut that out. It was not against the world but only those who planned 9/11, from the text itself, and as soon as there were rumblings it might be interpreted differently Ron and others sponsored a clarification that it never meant more than that or went beyond Afghanistan and it PASSED in the House. Pelosi took it out in conference. The House knew it was never supposed to mean that, and your continually raising this as if you hadn't known all this from many iterations of this argument before is specious.

 

[surf]

warmonger. sanctions are acts of war. Rand is painting himself as a typical republicrat warmonger.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

cut that out. It was not against the world but only those who planned 9/11, from the text itself, and as soon as there were rumblings it might be interpreted differently Ron and others sponsored a clarification that it never meant more than that or went beyond Afghanistan and it PASSED in the House. Pelosi took it out in conference. The House knew it was never supposed to mean that, and your continually raising this as if you hadn't known all this from many iterations of this argument before is specious.

I've told him this at least five times. He knows. He is incapable of defending Rand Paul without putting down Ron Paul. Oh how far we've come.

 

[compromise]

Excellent move by Rand. This eliminates any accusations that he's anti-Israel in 2016.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Excellent move by Rand. This eliminates any accusations that he's anti-Israel in 2016.

How so? And why is that important?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Oh holy shit you have Sarah Palin as a liberty pick. That's all I really needed to know.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Does it not bother anyone that Lindsey Graham was the main proponent of this resolution and gave a speech on the Senate floor praising this resolution while using all kinds of blood thirsty rhetoric?

Apparently not. And the comparison of the Afghanistan AUMF with a hypothetical one against Iran is ridiculous. I don't like the Afghan AUMF but at least that was SUPPOSED to be limited to terrorists.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Excellent move by Rand. This eliminates any accusations that he's anti-Israel in 2016.

Because that's the most important consideration

All hail the zionists...


Seriously, these idiots think EVERYTHING is "Anti-Israel."

 

[cajuncocoa]

Oh holy shit you have Sarah Palin as a liberty pick. That's all I really needed to know.

smh

 

[cajuncocoa]

Excellent move by Rand. This eliminates any accusations that he's anti-Israel in 2016.

by allowing himself to basically be blackmailed by AIPAC into forever doing Israel's bidding.

 

[Brett85]

Apparently not. And the comparison of the Afghanistan AUMF with a hypothetical one against Iran is ridiculous. I don't like the Afghan AUMF but at least that was SUPPOSED to be limited to terrorists.

Yeah, the war in Afghanistan was originally a defensive war. Comparing a war that was the result of an attack on our soil to a preemptive war against a country that never attacked us is pretty ridiculous.

 

[klamath]

cut that out. It was not against the world but only those who planned 9/11, from the text itself, and as soon as there were rumblings it might be interpreted differently Ron and others sponsored a clarification that it never meant more than that or went beyond Afghanistan and it PASSED in the House. Pelosi took it out in conference. The House knew it was never supposed to mean that, and your continually raising this as if you hadn't known all this from many iterations of this argument before is specious.

ARE you going to ban me if I keep mentioning it?

 

[pcosmar]

Yeah, the war in Afghanistan was originally a defensive war. Comparing a war that was the result of an attack on our soil to a preemptive war against a country that never attacked us is pretty ridiculous.

NO, It was not, and it never was at all..

You really need to divest yourself of that delusion.
1. The FBI could find absolutely NO connection between Osama Bin Ladin and 9/11
2. All of the "known actors' were from elsewhere,, and had trained in the US longer than in Afghanistan.
3. Osama was likely dead before the first troops arrived in Afghanistan.
4, Afghanistan Government (Taliban) offered to turn over Bin Ladin if presented with any evidence of his involvement.

Afghanistan was never a threat of any kind to the US. Never. At any time or in any way.