Sen. Lieberman says force may be needed in Iran

[The Patriot]

"They can definitely attack us" ??? How? I asked you this before and you came up the fantasies of a mass immigration invasion Yeah, they're gonna spend all the time and resources to make one nuke, and do what with it? Launch it over here? How? Over to Israel? Really? With 200+ nukes pointed at them?

Talk about selective memory, Russia had over 30,000+ nukes pointed at us...

One of the biggest things about your type that I cant wrap my head around is the fact that all your theories center around some kind of Islamic invasion or takeover of the west. For this to be even remotely possible, it also has to assume that the American people would just sit around and allow that to happen. Do you and your neoconservative brethren really believe this? Answer this one question.

This is the only way your view on this whole thing would really work, and that is for the American people to roll over let it happen.

No, you asked me before if they could defeat us an conquer us, I said no, but I said they could attack us and hurt us. Are you to dense to realize these are separate things? And it isn't a fantasy that Islam will consume Europe, that is just a matter of fact if the current immigration policies continue, and no assimilation occurs. As of right now, in Britain alone, 40% of Muslim youth want sharia law, and as these kids have kids and more come in from poor backwards places like Somalia and Pakistan the numbers will grow.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah?

Well, go get your sorry ass a rifle and a pack and go.

Sen. Lieberman says force may be needed in Iran

Wednesday, July 7, 2010

JERUSALEM, Israel (AP) --

U.S. Senator Joseph Lieberman says there is a broad consensus in Congress that military force can be used if necessary to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Lieberman cites a recent set of sanctions passed by Congress against Iran as a potential deterrent. But he insists that the goal of keeping Iran from becoming a nuclear power will be accomplished "through diplomatic and economic sanctions if we possibly can, through military actions if we must."

The Connecticut senator spoke Wednesday in Jerusalem, where he was visiting with fellow senators John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

Israel, the U.S. and other Western countries accuse Iran of trying to develop an atomic weapon. Iran says its nuclear program is for civilian use.

 

[coastie]

Actually, we found stockpiles of chemical weapons in Iraq, and as I said before, Saddam forced Mahdi Obeidi to keep nuclear centrifuges in his backyard. So they were certainly on their way, and that is good enough for me. And the fact that he also sponsored Palestinian terrorism and harbored the first world Trade center bomber and allowed Al Qaeda leader Musab Al Zarqawi safe haven in Iraq with Ansar Al Islam to suppress and kill kurds just makes the case stronger.

Plenty of non religious people care about religious memes, we non religious have to deal with them everyday, and in this case, they threaten our existence.

Saddam let a senior al-Qaeda leader safe haven in Iraq? The very nature of Saddams hold on power in Iraq wouldnt allow this...you really need to turn off the TV, and start studying history and reading books.

Every one of your posts sounds like watching the evening news

 

[The Patriot]

Saddam let a senior al-Qaeda leader safe haven in Iraq? The very nature of Saddams hold on power in Iraq wouldnt allow this...you really need to turn off the TV, and start studying history and reading books.

Every one of your posts sounds like watching the evening news

Yes, that is a well documented fact. This Al Qaeda leader was a collaborator with Saddam, in suppressing the Kurds. Musab Al Zarqawi fled from Afghanistan in 2001 to Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm

What books have you read which dispute these facts?

 

[someperson]

Yeah, Iran. The state is bankrupt. This is off the table. If, defying all logic, an individual wants it back on the table, let them pay for it with both their money and their life.

 

[lester1/2jr]

the patriot- al zarqawi was not any kind of guest of saddam or Iraq, he was in northern iraq which is a largely ungoverned area.

which we knew, the real question to this day is why we didn't take out zarqawi before the iraq invasion (answer: Bush was trying to get international support for an iraq war and didn't want to appear belligerent. anther genius decision there!)

Actually, we found stockpiles of chemical weapons in Iraq

we found long since degraded weapons that we already knew were there. the great tragedy was that in our invasion much of the actual dangerous stuff that was there uner IAEA control was looted. in effect, the entire purpose of the war, too keep things out of the hands of terrorists, was lost in the very first days of the war whe nthis happened. not to mention the great artifacts of civilization from the iraq museum, all sorts of weird stuff that was in their laboratories, etc

[quot] and as I said before, Saddam forced Mahdi Obeidi to keep nuclear centrifuges in his backyard.

lol those were not found

So they were certainly on their way, and that is good enough for me. And the fact that he also sponsored Palestinian terrorism and harbored the first world Trade center bomber and allowed Al Qaeda leader Musab Al Zarqawi safe haven in Iraq with Ansar Al Islam to suppress and kill kurds just makes the case stronger.

well palestinian terrorists are a threat to israel, not the united states. WE sponsered the mujahadeen in afghanistan, I don't think we could justify an attack on ourselves. and giving money to the families of suicide bombers is a thing people do in the middle east to get political points, because the person isn't around to be the breadwinner anymore. It's all part of the theatre of it.


all the other stuff like the unmanned uav's , uranium from NIger, meeting with mohammad atta were all debunked even before the war started right after Powells speech at the UN.

 

[constituent]

Name other regimes wishing to seek nuclear weapons saying the same things. Please, go ahead.

Israel... oh wait, they already have them.

What's the problem with Iran having nuclear weapons again?

And what does it have to do with me?

 

[constituent]

If we have actionable intelligence that they do have nuclear weapons, we or the Israelis should strike their nuclear facilities

Lay off the fox news, psycho.

I believe Peter Schiff and Rand Paul said the same thing.

That's a stretch, but after reading from you that we found the Weapons of Mass Destruction
and that "Al Qaeda" really was in Iraq pre-invasion, I'm not terribly surprised.

And the reason we have concerns about Iran is because their government and mullahs have called for death to America, England, and Israel; and their President is a suicidal maniac who believes he needs to start a war to bring back the 12th Imam and install an Islamic World Government

None of which amounts to even a decent reason for attacking someone.

Jesus, what's with the sudden rebirth of the bush leaguers on board?

 

[coastie]

Yes, that is a well documented fact. This Al Qaeda leader was a collaborator with Saddam, in suppressing the Kurds. Musab Al Zarqawi fled from Afghanistan in 2001 to Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm

What books have you read which dispute these facts?

From that link/article, dated 2005:

In the run-up to the Iraq war in February 2003, US Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations Zarqawi was an associate of Osama Bin Laden who had sought refuge in Iraq.

Intelligence reports indicated he was in Baghdad and - according to Mr Powell - this was a sure sign that Saddam Hussein was courting al-Qaeda, which, in turn, justified an attack on Iraq.

2 things:

1. I just now noticed your avatar....

2. This the "evidence" you posted ahahahahahahalololo....wait,wait <takes breath> AAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAlolol < falls to floor and pisses self>

You really are a neocon....and you may even be the dude in your avatar, one of the king-neocons

 

[coastie]

holy frickin neocon troll alert

 

[devil21]

^^^^
Nice post lester. You get it. It's all bullshit. Even the scattered remnants of decayng chemical weapons found in Iraq were weapons that WE GAVE SADDAM. You know, the same ones he used against the Kurds that led to his trial and execution.

This Iran stuff is just another replay of the same propaganda playbook to gain support, from frothy neo-cons like The Patriot, to attack Iran at the behest of Israel. Rinse and repeat and see if the proles will fall for the same bullshit twice in the same decade! Lieberman doesn't care. You can bet none of his family will suit up and it won't be his money spent on another pointless war that can't be won.

 

[coastie]

What books have you read to dispute these facts?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/reading-list3.html

also, Michael Scheuer's Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam After Iraq

I thought ron Paul already gave you guys this list

Besides Fox News, what have you read?

 

[someperson]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/reading-list3.html

also, Michael Scheuer's Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam After Iraq

I thought ron Paul already gave you guys this list

Besides Fox News, what have you read?

YouTube - Educating Rudy Press Conference

 

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

An extended Michael Scheuer lecture from fora.tv... America and Islam after Iraq:
http://fora.tv/2008/04/21/America_and_Islam_After_Iraq_with_Michael_Scheuer

 

[The Patriot]

^^^^
Nice post lester. You get it. It's all bullshit. Even the scattered remnants of decayng chemical weapons found in Iraq were weapons that WE GAVE SADDAM. You know, the same ones he used against the Kurds that led to his trial and execution.

This Iran stuff is just another replay of the same propaganda playbook to gain support, from frothy neo-cons like The Patriot, to attack Iran at the behest of Israel. Rinse and repeat and see if the proles will fall for the same bullshit twice in the same decade! Lieberman doesn't care. You can bet none of his family will suit up and it won't be his money spent on another pointless war that can't be won.

I don't agree with arming Saddam, but it is still definitely justified to overthrow the guy for killing hundreds of thousands of people. We, the French, and the British didn't give him weapons knowing he should do such a thing, and he should pay for the crimes he committed with those weapons, and should pay for the continued policy of torture, murder, and political repression of his own people after the Kurdish Genocide. But the weapons we found in 2005 were not from the 80s, weapons like that don't have such a long shelf life, he made those weapons.

And the only one looking for a war are the apocalyptic iranian mullahs. War is not desirable, it should be the last option, and all peaceful efforts must be made to stop their nuclear program and stop them from attaining weapons. We can only hope that the secular democratic movement in Iran is successful in the coming years, and that the Mullahs are ousted from power. The only thing preventing friendly relations between us and the people of Iran is their totalitarian government which represses them and threatens us.

 

[The Patriot]

Israel... oh wait, they already have them.

What's the problem with Iran having nuclear weapons again?

And what does it have to do with me?

When has Israel said they wanted to destroy other nations, I would appreciate a link.

The problem with the Mullahs and Ahmedenijad getting weapons is that they will use them to carry out the threats they have made against us and our allies, they could also use them as blackmail to reassert their illegitimate claim over Bahrain, and discourage international intervention if they chose to invade. Iran having weapons is not only a threat to America, Israel, and Britain, but also to Arab Sunni States.

 

[coastie]

When has Israel said they wanted to destroy other nations, I would appreciate a link.

The problem with the Mullahs and Ahmedenijad getting weapons is that they will use them to carry out the threats they have made against us and our allies, they could also use them as blackmail to reassert their illegitimate claim over Bahrain, and discourage international intervention if they chose to invade. Iran having weapons is not only a threat to America, Israel, and Britain, but also to Arab Sunni States.

Once again you're putting words in other peoples mouths...



Interesting that with all these "for sure" accusations of yours (with no evidence whatsoever), our troops haven't been attacked in Iraq by Iran...I mean, Iran already has the capability to attack us over there, and do some catastrophic damage. We are well within the range of their current weapons.

Now or later, nuclear or not, from the way you describe these people, they would've already attacked our troops 1000 times over there with what they have now, not "wait out" the devastating economic sanctions coming to them (which is an act of war, BTW), make a nuke, and then use it on us.

And if you see Bill Kristol tonight, punch him in his face for me

 

[The Patriot]

Once again you're putting words in other peoples mouths...



Interesting that with all these "for sure" accusations of yours (with no evidence whatsoever), our troops haven't been attacked in Iraq by Iran...I mean, Iran already has the capability to attack us over there, and do some catastrophic damage. We are well within the range of their current weapons.

Now or later, nuclear or not, from the way you describe these people, they would've already attacked our troops 1000 times over there with what they have now, not "wait out" the devastating economic sanctions coming to them (which is an act of war, BTW), make a nuke, and then use it on us.

And if you see Bill Kristol tonight, punch him in his face for me

What words am I putting into other people's mouths. I asked you for a nation that is trying to get nuclear weapons and has declared they want to destroy other nations. You said Israel, and I asked for evidence of where the Israeli government said they want to destroy another nation and then you said I put words in your mouth.

I doubt they will ever attack us directly, what I have always said is they will attack us and our allies through surrogates, as they are in Iraq. Either that or they will attack a country like Bahrain which they have staked claimed to in the past and use nuclear blackmail to prevent intervention. However, Army intel says they are providing safe haven and weapons to shia insurgents who attack American soldiers and Iraqi civilians according to army intelligence.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/08/iraq-060824-voa01.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/07/petraeus.iran/index.html

Ahmedenijad doesn't care about sanctions, or his people, so it doesn't make a difference t him. He wants to attack when he can inflict the most serious damage on the America and it's allies.

 

[coastie]

What words am I putting into other people's mouths. I asked you for a nation that is trying to get nuclear weapons and has declared they want to destroy other nations. You said Israel, and I asked for evidence of where the Israeli government said they want to destroy another nation and then you said I put words in your mouth.

I doubt they will ever attack us directly, what I have always said is they will attack us and our allies through surrogates, as they are in Iraq. Either that or they will attack a country like Bahrain which they have staked claimed to in the past and use nuclear blackmail to prevent intervention. However, Army intel says they are providing safe haven and weapons to shia insurgents who attack American soldiers and Iraqi civilians according to army intelligence.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/08/iraq-060824-voa01.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/07/petraeus.iran/index.html

Ahmedenijad doesn't care about sanctions, or his people, so it doesn't make a difference t him. He wants to attack when he can inflict the most serious damage on the America and it's allies.

1.

I asked you for a nation that is trying to get nuclear weapons and has declared they want to destroy other nations. You said Israel, and I asked for evidence of where the Israeli government said they want to destroy another nation and then you said I put words in your mouth.

You didn't ask me that, and, *news flash*, this "destroy other nations fallacy" is once again pure neo-con propaganda, and has been shown to be a deliberate mistranslation and taken out of context for years now. Your entire argument is shut down at this point, but its fun ripping on you.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-sedaei/the-biggest-lie-told-to-t_b_70248.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

2.

I doubt they will ever attack us directly, what I have always said is they will attack us and our allies through surrogates, as they are in Iraq.

No, you have stated numerous times they would attack us , and for as "crazy" as they are, they're showing an awful lot of restraint...

3.

However, Army intel says they are providing safe haven and weapons to shia insurgents who attack American soldiers and Iraqi civilians according to army intelligence.

Yeah, they've proven real credible. It was Army "Intelligence" that got us into this mess in the first place.

As I said, your entire argument is grounded in one of the biggest lies ever told. If Mental Hoops were a game, you'd be fucking Michael jordan

 

[eproxy100]

Just wondering, why are you guys feeding the neocon troll? You know that reason and logic don't work on such creatures, right?