Sen. Lieberman says force may be needed in Iran

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Sen. Lieberman says force may be needed in Iran

Wednesday, July 7, 2010

JERUSALEM, Israel (AP) --

U.S. Senator Joseph Lieberman says there is a broad consensus in Congress that military force can be used if necessary to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Lieberman cites a recent set of sanctions passed by Congress against Iran as a potential deterrent. But he insists that the goal of keeping Iran from becoming a nuclear power will be accomplished "through diplomatic and economic sanctions if we possibly can, through military actions if we must."

The Connecticut senator spoke Wednesday in Jerusalem, where he was visiting with fellow senators John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

Israel, the U.S. and other Western countries accuse Iran of trying to develop an atomic weapon. Iran says its nuclear program is for civilian use.
 
I dare anyone to find a better example of someone in Congress who has a stronger passionate attachment to a foreign country, disdain for civil liberties and the Constitution, and lover of all things totalitarian than Joe Lieberman.
 
It was reported that during last Israeli war, Obama's current WH CoS Rahm had gone to fight in Israeli military. If war broke out between Israel and Iran / Iraq now, would Rahm and Lieberman go join Israeli military? If that happened, how would Obama fill vaccuum in the White House leadership?
Hopefully Obama has back up people so business of America doesn't suffer in such contigency.
 
As for Lieberman... his grave can't come too soon... he has been nothing but terror to Freedom and Liberties.

Too Bad HAPPY HOUR is gone. Did you catch Eric Bolling and his comments? He has been 110% pro Israel, anti everything Muslim, Iran, etc, so blatant, show after show...

Well Happy Hour is gone, Cody and Rebecca are dormant and Eric Bolling now has his Own show called "Money Rocks"... the show sucks.


 
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That seems fair. If we have actionable intelligence that they do have nuclear weapons, we or the Israelis should strike their nuclear facilities(Israel already got clearance from Saudi Arabia, Iran's biggest muslim rival:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7148555.ece)

But is there any actionable intelligence? Shit, the governments own intelligence agencies said they weren't building one...

I think Lieberman should be the first boot on the ground...;)
 
That seems fair. If we have actionable intelligence that they do have nuclear weapons, we or the Israelis should strike their nuclear facilities(Israel already got clearance from Saudi Arabia, Iran's biggest muslim rival:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7148555.ece)

We never got clearance from Saudis to go in Saudi Arabia after it was learnt that almost all of 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, why would they give Israel clearance to go into Iran? Think what their game is. Likewise, US never got clearance to go into Israel after Lavon affair.
They are all looking for their own interests and sometimes want to use US military to do their work but nothing good in return. How many Saudi and Israeli troops of these "major allies" are on front lines in Iraq, Afghanistan risking their lives?

US probably has more actionable intel about Israeli WMD programs than any Iranian ones but right now too many war/economic fronts are already open, US will not attack any of them and open a new war front. It is not in US security interests.

Zbig Brzezinski: Shoot Down Israeli Planes if They Attack Iran
Sep 21, 2009 ... Former Carter security advisor and Obama backer Zbig Brzezinski has urged Obama to shoot at Israeli planes if they attack Iran.
www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133515


We are already in $2 trillion dollar hole with almost 100,000 troops losing lives and limbs in Iraq because of false Iraq WMD intel that Israelis and others provided. Yea Israeli intel is really good.
 
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We never got clearance from Saudis to go in Saudi Arabia after it was learnt that almost all of 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, why would they give Israel clearance to go into Iran? Think what their game is. Likewise, US never got clearance to go into Israel after Lavon affair.
They are all looking for their own interests and sometimes want to use US military to do their work but nothing good in return. How many Saudi and Israeli troops of these "major allies" are on front lines in Iraq, Afghanistan risking their lives?

US probably has more actionable intel about Israeli WMD programs than any Iranian ones but right now too many war/economic fronts are already open, US will not attack any of them and open a new war front. It is not in US security interests.




We are already in $2 trillion dollar hole with almost 100,000 troops losing lives and limbs in Iraq because of false Iraq WMD intel that Israelis and others provided. Yea Israeli intel is really good.

Why would we attack Yemen, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia for 9/11? they are our allies, and did not sponsor and harbor the hijackers like the Taliban Government of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan did.

Why would we attack Israel, that would be absurd. And the reason we have concerns about Iran is because their government and mullahs have called for death to America, England, and Israel; and their President is a suicidal maniac who believes he needs to start a war to bring back the 12th Imam and install an Islamic World Government

YouTube - Iranian Former Leader Explains Why Say "Death to America"

YouTube - "Death to America" chants in Iran

YouTube - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Death to Israel"

YouTube - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the 12th Imam

And funny thing you should mention Israel. In fact, their intelligence suggested their wasn't WMDs, and suggested we shouldn't attack Iraq.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IH30Ak04.html

And Iraq certainly had nuclear materials. If the point of the war was to eliminate his capacity to use WMDs, it seems that it was better to get there before they finished. They were hiding nuclear centrifuges in this scientist's garden.
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11200
 
But is there any actionable intelligence? Shit, the governments own intelligence agencies said they weren't building one...

I think Lieberman should be the first boot on the ground...;)

So then, what is the problem. If intelligence says they don't have them, then we shouldn't, but surely you support attacking the sites if there is actionable intelligence. Even Ron Paul supported the Israelis actions against Saddam in the 80s.
 
So then, what is the problem. If intelligence says they don't have them, then we shouldn't, but surely you support attacking the sites if there is actionable intelligence. Even Ron Paul supported the Israelis actions against Saddam in the 80s.

Uh no, why would I support my military attacking a country that didn't attack me? Israel can do what it wants and that is why Ron supported their bombing of nuclear sites in Iraq. It wasn't our business if Israel felt threatened. If Israel wants to go toe-to-toe with Iran, that is Israel and Iran's business.......though Americans will DEFINITELY feel the pain through sky high gas prices and increased terrorism, seeing how Israel's weapons are mainly US manufactured and paid for by US taxpayers. What we do not support (including Ron Paul) is the US MILITARY being involved in an Israeli attack on Iran.

Obvious neo-con troll is obvious. See sig.
 
Uh no, why would I support my military attacking a country that didn't attack me? Israel can do what it wants and that is why Ron supported their bombing of nuclear sites in Iraq. It wasn't our business if Israel felt threatened. If Israel wants to go toe-to-toe with Iran, that is Israel and Iran's business.......though Americans will DEFINITELY feel the pain through sky high gas prices and increased terrorism, seeing how Israel's weapons are mainly US manufactured and paid for by US taxpayers. What we do not support (including Ron Paul) is the US MILITARY being involved in an Israeli attack on Iran.

Obvious neo-con troll is obvious. See sig.

So even if Iran had nuclear weapons, you believe they should have them, then there is no conversation to be had with you. If you think that a country like Iran, which has deadly and apocalyptic designs and has called for death to America and for Islam to conquer the mountain tops of the world, should be able to have nuclear weapons, than you are living in another world. Either you are incredibly naive or in favor of the Islamist and terrorist sponsoring Regime in Iran.
 
"Sen. Lieberman says force may be needed in Iran "

he probably said this to his waiter, random homeless people and his kids when he tucks them in
 
So even if Iran had nuclear weapons, you believe they should have them, then there is no conversation to be had with you. If you think that a country like Iran, which has deadly and apocalyptic designs and has called for death to America and for Islam to conquer the mountain tops of the world, should be able to have nuclear weapons, than you are living in another world. Either you are incredibly naive or in favor of the Islamist and terrorist sponsoring Regime in Iran.


And the only country in the world to ever use them is us, not seeing your logic here.

Ask yourself this, why on earth would they attack us, knowing we would wipe them off the face of the earth? Thats suicide.


OOOOOO I'm telling.... "daddy, Iran said we're mean and said death to america..." So what? I'm sick of this attitude like children in a schoolyard. "They hate us for our freedoms" So what? Whatever happened to sticks and stones?
 
And the only country in the world to ever use them is us, not seeing your logic here.

Ask yourself this, why on earth would they attack us, knowing we would wipe them off the face of the earth? Thats suicide.


OOOOOO I'm telling.... "daddy, Iran said we're mean and said death to america..." So what? I'm sick of this attitude like children in a schoolyard. "They hate us for our freedoms" So what? Whatever happened to sticks and stones?

The Iranian regime does hate us because we exist. They want an Islamic Caliphate under the 12th Imam. The Ayatollah Khomeini said while he was alive that the goal of the Islamic Republic of Iran was to export the Islamic Revolution Globally. To say Iran(the people) hate us and support the Mullahs is absurd. Millions have gone to the streets protesting the stolen elections. Iranians, a majority, hate the Shah, and hate this regime too. Their Revolution against the illegitimate Shah was co-opted by religious nut jobs.

And they will never attack us or our allies directly, they will use a terrorist surrogate to drive us into a war against them, which they believe they will win. They are insane, they believe they will win and that the enemies of Islam will be wiped out to make way for the 12th Imam. To attribute rationality or sanity to these kooks would be a great mistake. And to suggest they don't mean what they say is naive and is wishful thinking.
 
The Iranian regime does hate us because we exist. They want an Islamic Caliphate under the 12th Imam. The Ayatollah Khomeini said while he was alive that the goal of the Islamic Republic of Iran was to export the Islamic Revolution Globally. To say Iran(the people) hate us and support the Mullahs is absurd. Millions have gone to the streets protesting the stolen elections. Iranians, a majority, hate the Shah, and hate this regime too. Their Revolution against the illegitimate Shah was co-opted by religious nut jobs.

And they will never attack us or our allies directly, they will use a terrorist surrogate to drive us into a war against them, which they believe they will win. They are insane, they believe they will win and that the enemies of Islam will be wiped out to make way for the 12th Imam. To attribute rationality or sanity to these kooks would be a great mistake. And to suggest they don't mean what they say is naive and is wishful thinking.

Pretty much. Khomeini said he was for Islam, not Iran. The hatred of the government comes mainly from the educated middle class, and some of the upper class. The urban poor are bought off with subsidies. Most of the support for the Islamic government comes from rural areas were people tend to be very religious.

While the IRI is an odious regime, I believe we could have normal, if not friendly, relations with it if we'd just stop fucking with them. Ahmedinejad published an open letter to the american people a few short years ago to that effect.
 
Pretty much. Khomeini said he was for Islam, not Iran. The hatred of the government comes mainly from the educated middle class, and some of the upper class. The urban poor are bought off with subsidies. Most of the support for the Islamic government comes from rural areas were people tend to be very religious.

While the IRI is an odious regime, I believe we could have normal, if not friendly, relations with it if we'd just stop fucking with them. Ahmedinejad published an open letter to the american people a few short years ago to that effect.

In one of the videos I just posted a little while , the Iranian gov. spokesman who introduced Ahmedenijad was very clear that there shall be no friendly relations between their governments(not that we should have war, that should be the last option and isn't desirable, but friendship is unrealistic), so I wouldn't take what he said to the Western Media as truth. He is just trying to build up sympathy in the west.
 
The Iranian regime does hate us because we exist. They want an Islamic Caliphate under the 12th Imam. The Ayatollah Khomeini said while he was alive that the goal of the Islamic Republic of Iran was to export the Islamic Revolution Globally. To say Iran(the people) hate us and support the Mullahs is absurd. Millions have gone to the streets protesting the stolen elections. Iranians, a majority, hate the Shah, and hate this regime too. Their Revolution against the illegitimate Shah was co-opted by religious nut jobs.

And they will never attack us or our allies directly, they will use a terrorist surrogate to drive us into a war against them, which they believe they will win. They are insane, they believe they will win and that the enemies of Islam will be wiped out to make way for the 12th Imam. To attribute rationality or sanity to these kooks would be a great mistake. And to suggest they don't mean what they say is naive and is wishful thinking.

Are you kidding me? Who gives a fuck what "they want". You're rationalizing like a child.

Whats your hypothesis for this radical takeover of Islam over the west? What, exactly are they going to do. You mean to tell me you think AMERICANS would just let that happen?

You're the one living in fantasy land-neo-con fantasy land, that is.;)

The only thing that could help that happen is their Allah Himself. You're the one not living in reality.

EDIT: and of course they hate us...with our track record of killing their people and supporting tyranny in their country, why wouldn't they?
 
Thou art mistaken

The Iranian regime does hate us because we exist. They want an Islamic Caliphate under the 12th Imam. The Ayatollah Khomeini said while he was alive that the goal of the Islamic Republic of Iran was to export the Islamic Revolution Globally. To say Iran(the people) hate us and support the Mullahs is absurd. Millions have gone to the streets protesting the stolen elections. Iranians, a majority, hate the Shah, and hate this regime too. Their Revolution against the illegitimate Shah was co-opted by religious nut jobs.

And they will never attack us or our allies directly, they will use a terrorist surrogate to drive us into a war against them, which they believe they will win. They are insane, they believe they will win and that the enemies of Islam will be wiped out to make way for the 12th Imam. To attribute rationality or sanity to these kooks would be a great mistake. And to suggest they don't mean what they say is naive and is wishful thinking.

the Maestro had it right-

Don't Start a War With Iran Now!

Statement on H. Con. Res. 398: Expressing the concern of Congress over Iran's development of the means to produce nuclear weapons, 6 May 2004.

I rise in strong opposition to this ill-conceived and ill-timed legislation. Let's not fool ourselves: this concurrent resolution leads us down the road to war against Iran. It creates a precedent for future escalation, as did similar legislation endorsing "regime change" in Iraq back in 1998.

I find it incomprehensible that as the failure of our Iraq policy becomes more evident – even to its most determined advocates – we here are approving the same kind of policy toward Iran. With Iraq becoming more of a problem daily, the solution as envisioned by this legislation is to look for yet another fight. And we should not fool ourselves: this legislation sets the stage for direct conflict with Iran. The resolution "calls upon all State Parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), including the United States, to use all appropriate means to deter, dissuade, and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons..." Note the phrase "...use all appropriate means...."

Additionally, this legislation calls for yet more and stricter sanctions on Iran, including a demand that other countries also impose sanctions on Iran. As we know, sanctions are unmistakably a move toward war, particularly when, as in this legislation, a demand is made that the other nations of the world similarly isolate and blockade the country. Those who wish for a regime change in Iran should especially reject sanctions – just look at how our Cuba policy has allowed Fidel Castro to maintain his hold on power for decades. Sanctions do not hurt political leaders, as we know most recently from our sanctions against Iraq, but rather sow misery among the poorest and most vulnerable segments of society. Dictators do not go hungry when sanctions are imposed.

t is somewhat ironic that we are again meddling in Iranian affairs. Students of history will recall that the US government's ill-advised coup against Iranian leader Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 and its subsequent installation of the Shah as the supreme ruler led to intense hatred of the United States and eventually to the radical Islamic revolution of 1979. One can only wonder what our relations would be with Iran if not for the decades of meddling in that country's internal affairs. We likely would not be considering resolutions such as this. Yet the solution to all the difficulties created by our meddling foreign policy always seems to always be yet more meddling. Will Congress ever learn?

I urge my colleagues to reject this move toward war with Iran, to reject the failed policies of regime-change and nation-building, and to return to the wise and consistent policy of non-interventionism in the affairs of other sovereign nations.
 
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