Secession thread.

[justinc.1089]

I don't think that getting an entire state to secede is a good idea or one that would work. Lots of people who don't want to secede would be stuck in a state that is seceding and that is no good.

When the American revolution started, only 10% of the population was for a revolution. Later once it got going more of the population joined once they saw the British killing their fellow Americans.

I'm not sure how it would work, but a thread to talk about freedom ideals-such as secession-is just here to stimulate minds and grow ideas.

Personally, I think there are some small places such as national forests and national parks that could be essentially claimed. You'd end up in jail and it wouldn't be so easy as just trying to reverse imminent domain upon the government, but if you had a fair number of people and a plan to begin a new community, then perhaps under the right circumstances it could grow into a peaceful coup. NOT likely, but unless ideas are shared and communicated then it REALLY isn't likely.

Just like Native Americans keep trying? That worked out great for them so far.

I favor the idea of a small island so that borders are definable and so that you aren't literally surrounded by the US.

Borders would be easy to define, but having ocean around you really isn't too much better than land since we have such a powerful navy and all.

Small island, a few houses, enough solar panels to allow comfortable living, and it wouldn't really be that difficult until you all stopped paying your taxes and declared yourselves free. It is a move that could garner local support from the nearest communities and perhaps begin to spread.

Is any of this likely? No. But hey, it can't hurt to talk and people have called me kooky for years, but I still like to feel like I have some freedom and I enjoy the company of those who can discuss it with me.

Same here.

 

[justinc.1089]

Hmm I wonder where in the United States would secede......

(look at the electoral maps through our entire history would be a good place to start looking at....)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_presidential_election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1996

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1952


(LOOK A THIRD PARTY VICTORY!!!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1928

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1924

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1920

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1904

(LOOK SOMEONE HAD ALREADY SECEDED BEFORE!!!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1864

(LOOK A 4TH PARTY VICTORY!!!!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1836

(ANOTHER 4TH PARTY VICTORY!!!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1832

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1828

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1824

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1796

 

[cthulhufan]

Slavery was one of a few major reasons the South left. The idea of the civil war being fought over only slavery is a myth that comes from the North. Sorry if you're from the North but its true, it wasn't only over slavery.

Another thing too, the South was an extremely big portion of the taxes going into the federal government at the time, so do you think the politicians really, truly wanted an end to slavery in the North? They didn't, they were using it for political gain since there was an anti-slavery movement in the North.

QFT but ,dear god, trying to get people to understand that without them writing you off as a racist pig is extremely hard. Believe me, I don't start the discussion with

"The south should have won!"

I try more for something along the lines of

"Well, you know, state rights were pretty effectively put to bed by the civil war. It was about expansion of Federal power and money..."

It's just hard to breach and get anything other than a wide eyed stare of disbelief.

 

[justinc.1089]

QFT but ,dear god, trying to get people to understand that without them writing you off as a racist pig is extremely hard. Believe me, I don't start the discussion with

"The south should have won!"

I try more for something along the lines of

"Well, you know, state rights were pretty effectively put to bed by the civil war. It was about expansion of Federal power and money..."

It's just hard to breach and get anything other than a wide eyed stare of disbelief.

Yeah so true. It also sounds like you're a Southern redneck if you say the South should have won, or that you wish the South had its own country today too. I'm not sure if I wish the South would have won or not because of slavery, I probably do slightly lean that way, but probably because I think slavery would have come to an end if the South had won too. But it probably would have taken a good bit longer which I hate to admit. Its really saddening and embarrassing to me that my ancestors enslaved people.

 

[Xenophage]

Secession won't work without a strong collective identity. Even though 10% of Americans were for the revolution, the other 90% still thought of themselves as American moreso than British, and this is why they came around.

 

[justinc.1089]

Secession won't work without a strong collective identity. Even though 10% of Americans were for the revolution, the other 90% still thought of themselves as American moreso than British, and this is why they came around.

Ok change Americans to Southerners, and we have "Even though 10% of Southerners were for the revolution, the other 90% still thought of themselves as Southerners more than American, and this is why they came around."

That statement is true of the South today in my opinion. I would think about 5% to maybe even 15% would be for the South leaving the United States now. I mean I'm absolutely not hardcore southern or redneck, I feel like it saying this stuff but I have never said it until now lol, but I know there are plenty of hardcore southerners out there that have wanted to have their own country their entire lives.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Slavery was one of a few major reasons the South left. The idea of the civil war being fought over only slavery is a myth that comes from the North. Sorry if you're from the North but its true, it wasn't only over slavery.

Another thing too, the South was an extremely big portion of the taxes going into the federal government at the time, so do you think the politicians really, truly wanted an end to slavery in the North? They didn't, they were using it for political gain since there was an anti-slavery movement in the North.

Quote me when I said "only." You didn't read carefully.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

I'll move to New Hampshire if someone wants to set me up a job...

 

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