Scott Adams and Rasmussen's "It's okay to be white" poll

[TheCount]

You ignorance is obscene, for me mainly because it seems so willful.

In the DECADE between 1840 and 1850 alone, over 800K Irish were abducted and shipped off as slaves, most of those sent to America, the rest to Australia. Were you to bother to go to states like Georgia and check the records, you will find that those Irish were not indentured servants, but abject chattel slaves FOR LIFE. They were sold at auction alongside their black African counterparts. White people were the first slaves in the colonies, and were the ONLY slaves for something like 20 years prior to the first black African's arrival. Then let us not forget that it was the black Africans who captured and sold their own into slavery to the white traders.

You could buy a white slave for $5, whereas the black were $50.

So please keep your bullshit to yourself. Nobody is buying. But I just dare you to call Sowell a house knygger. Go ahead. You don't have the guts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_slaves_myth

 

[Jenard Butler]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1631099152678506496

Oh, it predated the 40's by a decade.

 

[RonWrightor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_slaves_myth

By merely citing a wikipedia article, the word choice of the very first paragraph displaying an ideologically motivated interpretation of historical events--the very criticism you lob at your adversaries, do you purport to adopt the contents in their entirety? Yeah, I'm sure that the minority of Irish that were shipped across "with their full humanity" under contracts of indentured servitude (which could be assigned, yeah? making them functionally chattels) were having a regular bargaining session over terms with the very people who intended to work them to death.

You would take an idealized version of events, which only exists in your imagination, and use it to conceal enormities. And you do it because you find other enormities more worthy of remembering (or more useful when used to remind)... typical. What's that country north of modern day Turkey called?

You're a different flavor of the same fool who looks at Chattel Slavery of blacks and says it was for their own good merely because in some imaginary world that argument has substance. The genus of fool, worthy of the same contempt.

 

[osan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_slaves_myth

Bull.

Shit.

Which of those Wikipedia jackasses have gone to the halls of records and looked up the actual data? Not a single one, and I would bet money I don't have that I am 100% correct. I, on the other hand, confirmed this in a single jurisdiction when I was in Virginia years ago. The records clearly showed that the Irish were sold as abject chattel in numbers exceeding that of black Africans. There were indentured servants, but their numbers were minuscule in comparison with the chattel transactions.

So you can take that bullshit cite and stick it. Go do some real research and then come back and talk about this, because as of this moment you are speaking out of your wrong sphincter.

 

[dannno]

Scott Adams long-form interview on Chris Cuomo's show

 

[ClaytonB]

You ignorance is obscene, for me mainly because it seems so willful.

In the DECADE between 1840 and 1850 alone, over 800K Irish were abducted and shipped off as slaves, most of those sent to America, the rest to Australia. Were you to bother to go to states like Georgia and check the records, you will find that those Irish were not indentured servants, but abject chattel slaves FOR LIFE. They were sold at auction alongside their black African counterparts. White people were the first slaves in the colonies, and were the ONLY slaves for something like 20 years prior to the first black African's arrival. Then let us not forget that it was the black Africans who captured and sold their own into slavery to the white traders.

You could buy a white slave for $5, whereas the black were $50.

So please keep your bull$#@! to yourself. Nobody is buying. But I just dare you to call Sowell a house knygger. Go ahead. You don't have the guts.

The Race-Baiting NPC Narrative can only function within a very narrow bandwidth. It is ahistorical, anti-facts and anti-reason. You are expected to gouge your eyes out to the facts, so that you can "stand with" whatever social groups they pretend to be the defenders of. The fact is that slavery has been universally practiced until the rise of abolitionism in England (and, to a lesser degree, other European countries) and, a little later, the United States. Here are three un-PC facts about these countries, at that time, which they had in common:

- They were the first countries in world history to move to abolish slavery
- They were majority white
- They were devoutly and externally Christian (meaning, Christianity was not treated as a "private religious opinion", it was the One, True Faith)

Abolitionism spread (it played an important cultural role in the war of Northern hostility) and, after a century of struggle, the Christian West became the first region of the world where the practice of slavery was, by and large, outlawed. The legal regimes in most of these countries would not recognize the so-called "property rights" of slavers, and emancipation of slaves was automatic.

The God-hating, modern Marxist Left wants to rewrite history and even rewrite the entire dictionary in order to make the hero of this story (the Christian West) into a villain. For complicated historical and social reasons, they know that they cannot directly attack Christianity as the culprit. The most extreme among their ranks still do, but the majority of them are silent on this point, not because they don't blame Christianity, but because it's a losing argument for them (NPCs don't believe in truth, and don't even know what truth is). Hence, they needed to create a proxy-boogeyman to blame in place of Christianity itself. Hence was born "the White Heterosexual Male." You are to blame because we tried blaming Jesus and that backfired.

There is more to this story, however. A lot of the "race-defenders" you will see online and elsewhere are just Marxist NPC infiltrators. These people are there to sow confusion and real racial division (because it is the Marxists who are the racist slavers trying to restore the slave-based Utopia they had before the Christian West toppled it over). So, within the ranks of professing Christians and other self-labeled conservatives, there are turncoats, Judases, LARPs, NPCs, etc. These are frequently the loudest voices in the room calling for racial extermination, ethnic-cleansing, defending "the White Race" and other such nonsense. Their job is to make Christians (whether white or not) who oppose slavery to look like bigots-by-association. They're trying to throw their dirt onto you. Don't play into that crap, see it for what it is, reject it, and call out the LARPs like the Ottawa truckers did when some mole yahoo was holding a Confederate flag in their protest. They ran that idiot out of their protest, and that's the kind of no-BS OPSEC that US resistance to DC tyranny needs to develop...

 

[A Son of Liberty]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_slaves_myth

Did you seriously just cite Wikipedia as a response to that rebuke? And you think that is a legitimate response that is going to move the needle AT ALL here?


Make an ACTUAL FUCKING ARGUMENT, you incomprehensible hack.

 

[dannno]

 

[RJB]

I don't get this.

I became a libertarian mainly because I simply want to be left alone and I gladly recipricate that to others.

If a black guy flipped out and wanted to stay away from white people after he saw a poll where a quarter of white people didn't think it was OK to be black and another quarter weren't sure, I would feel sorry for him that he felt such fear, but I would wish him the best.

I think Scott Adams is overreacting, but this is the way he wants to live his life. So what? Most middle to upper class white people feel the same and do just what he's doing, but are quiet about it. I see lots of videos about POCs wanting to stay away from whites, again so what. Let people do what they have to do to be happy, feel safe, whatever. Just keep me out of it.

 

[RJB]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_slaves_myth

Did you seriously just cite Wikipedia as a response to that rebuke? And you think that is a legitimate response that is going to move the needle AT ALL here?


Make an ACTUAL FUCKING ARGUMENT, you incomprehensible hack.

There is a lesson to be learned. Don't talk trash about the Irish on a forum where someone has an avatar with a pint of Guiness.

 

[jmdrake]

[MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION]

Is this false?

Is the federal government going to increase IRS enforcement action against me and my fellow white people or not?

I didn't say it was "false." But learn to read between the lines. You seem to be weak on that. At the end of the day Donald Trump will still not be paying taxes. Same with Hunter Biden. Same with with Bill Gates. Same with Elon Musk. Rich white people don't pay taxes.

Now, let's look at what Biden is doing verses what he is saying. Biden recently announced that he's going to sick the IRS on CashApp, Zelle and Venmo users.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/17/is-...transactions-heres-what-you-need-to-know.html

But guess what? BLACK PEOPLE ARE FAR MORE LIKELY TO USE CASHAPP, ZELLE AND VENMO THAN WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!!

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...venience-and-security-concerns-to-some-users/

59% of black people use CashApp versus just 17% of white people. Read between the freaking lines! How is Biden able to screw over black people while without causing black people to leave the democratic party in droves? Why by pissing off white people like you by lying to you and telling you he's actually going after you when you aren't his primary target. Brilliant on Biden's part actually.

Your inability to read between the lines goes to the OP as well. Rasmussen pointed out that their own poll has an obvious incongruity. Blacks, according to Rasmussen, reject the "critical race theory" idea that blacks cannot be racist. (That's actually not a fundamental tenant of CRT but that's what Rasmussen claimed). So how are blacks supposedly simultaneously buying into the "woke" CRT narrative and rejecting it at the same time? Well....the Rasmussen poll is most likely poorly designed! It lacks simple follow up questions like:

1) Why are you unsure about "It's okay to be white."

2) Do you think it's not okay to be white?

3) Do you consider yourself racist?

4) Do you consider yourself anti white?

5) Do you think a black person can be racist against white people or just racist against other groups like Jews?

There has to be some explanation between the incongruity in Rasmussen's poll and they did a piss poor job (as in no attempt at all) to tease that out.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't get this.

I became a libertarian mainly because I simply want to be left alone and I gladly recipricate that to others.

If a black guy flipped out and wanted to stay away from white people after he saw a poll where a quarter of white people didn't think it was OK to be black and another quarter weren't sure, I would feel sorry for him that he felt such fear, but I would wish him the best.

I think Scott Adams is overreacting, but this is the way he wants to live his life. So what? Most middle to upper class white people feel the same and do just what he's doing, but are quiet about it. I see lots of videos about POCs wanting to stay away from whites, again so what. Let people do what they have to do to be happy, feel safe, whatever. Just keep me out of it.

Scott Adams has the right not to want to hang around black people.

People who disagree with Scot Adams have the right not to want to buy newspapers with his cartoon in it.

Newspapers have the right to cancel his cartoon rather than lose subscribers.

What's not to understand?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Wait, "rich white people don't pay taxes"? That's an interesting statement... because the "TOP ONE PERCENT" pay almost 50% of the taxes that Uncle Sugar collects. So, I'm assuming that if your statement is true, the "TOP ONE PERCENT" aren't white, I guess?

Which is it? Because both can't be true. Either rich white people don't pay taxes or rich people aren't majority white.

 

[jmdrake]

See my reply to Brian.



Add to that one cringe-worthy racist remark after another, from yesterday's "I'm not a stupid white boy" to "If you don't vote for me, you're not black".

Yet blacks pulled his ass out of the fire in the South Carolina primaries, and then voted for him, 90% to 8%.

90 percent to 8 percent.

That's a statistical version of unanimous.

So all you are telling me is, of black voters, 90 freaking percent are too stupid to know when they are being hustled, and that I, by connection, am too stupid to notice their stupidity.

Horse$#@!.

You do not get that type of "brand loyalty" without delivering the goods.

I'm saying they have been propagandized just like you have been propagandized apparently. I listed the facts of what Trump specifically delivered for blacks versus what Biden delivered. You haven't disputed a single fact that I pointed out to you. You just said "Blacks must be getting the goods." What goods? Mayor Lightford just got booted out of her office in Chicago. But I guarantee you that her replacement will still be a Democrat! Think about that. She's the first Chicago mayor not to win election in 40 years. She was a complete and abject failure as a mayor. In her defeat in an overwhelmingly black city, she blamed "MAGA republicans" as if they somehow were able to sneak into Chicago and stuff the ballot boxes against her after being "exposed" by Jussie Smollet's fake hate crime. Yet, after rejecting Lightfoot, black Chicago voters did NOT reject her party. Why? Propaganda. Tucker Carlson did a good show about this by the way.



And this propaganda is super strong! Donald Trump commutes the sentences of black prisoners? It must be because he wanted his own crimes covered up. Donald Trump ends the drug sentencing disparities between crack and powdered cocaine? It must be because more white people are using meth. (I kid you not. I heard that argument). Donald Trump forgave Katrina debt owed by HBCUs that Obama left twisting in the wind? It must be because Donald Trump is really trying to hurt those same HBCUs credit ratings through debt forgiveness. Donald Trump makes it possible for HBCUs to borrow more money? He must be trying to ruin them through debt. I've found myself arguing for Donald Trump among otherwise intelligent black people (even though as you know I can't stand the SOB), because...I'm just trying to be honest and give credit where credit is due.

Maybe having the IRS sicced on whitey is good enough...who knows?

That's baloney. The IRS is being sicked on Cashapp users who are overwhelmingly black. You've been fooled by the propaganda again.

I never said black Marxists.

The Marxists in government pulling this off are white, almost universally.

You keep bringing up the black professors who say stupid things that you don't like. I am assuming they are all Marxists. Are you telling me now that they aren't?

Regardless, Biden is right now kicking in the door of black Marxists. Kinda doesn't jive with the whole "Biden is out to get white people" tear you seem to be on. And Biden's IRS is going after Cashapp (mostly black) users.

I know there is a dispute over whether Lenin actually used this phrase, but regardless, it still applies.

The Maoists that are using the blacks and the queeers and all the rest of the grievance groups, as wrecking balls, they look upon them as "useful idiots".

They will be the first in the mass graves, along with refuseniks like me, once the Glorious Revolution has been achieved.

The best way to use anybody it to lie to everybody about what you are actually doing.

That's assuming they don't kill us all with a gain of function death plague first.

No argument there.

 

[jmdrake]

Wait, "rich white people don't pay taxes"? That's an interesting statement... because the "TOP ONE PERCENT" pay almost 50% of the taxes that Uncle Sugar collects. So, I'm assuming that if your statement is true, the "TOP ONE PERCENT" aren't white, I guess?

Which is it? Because both can't be true. Either rich white people don't pay taxes or rich people aren't majority white.

Edit: Consider this example. Basketball players (overwhelmingly black) make a minimum salary of over 1 million per year. They are "rich" by most people's standards. (Not by Robert Kiyosaki's standard though). They are in the highest tax bracket. Basketball owners are overwhelmingly white. Because they own the teams (and own other businesses) they qualify for all kinds of tax breaks that the players don't get even though they make more money than the players.

I hope that helps.

Edit 2: For more on this, watch this video where Warren Buffet explains why his tax rate is lower than his secretary's tax rate.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Dude according to Uncle Sugar the TOP ONE PERCENT pay nearly 50% of all taxes collected. I don't need to watch your videos if the entity that has a vested interest in collecting said taxes tells me that openly. Are you saying that the IRS is lying that the TOP ONE PERCENT pay about 50% of all taxes collected? Is there something I'm missing that doesn't require me to sit through your half-dozen videos to discern your point? Maybe there is something I'm missing - if there is, could you kindly spend 2 minutes typing a short message describing to me what it is? I'm a busy man. I work for a living. If you want me to watch your videos, please give me an actual reason for me to do so rather than just dumping them in this thread and presuming that's an actual response...

ETA: Also, IF these rich white people aren't paying "enough" (LOL) taxes, why should this anger me? I eagerly hope each year that Uncle Sugar does NOT steal too much from me... why would I be mad that "RiCh WyTe PeOpLe" don't pay "enough" in taxes? Here's how much I think they should pay in taxes: F**KING ZERO. And so should you and I.

I'm not even sure why this is a discussion point... taxes are little more than punitive and a campaign slogan - Federal spending outpaces tax receipts by a considerable margin. So, AGAIN, why should I care that "RICH WHITE PEOPLE" (which frankly is some racist bullshit) don't "pay enough"??

Get out of here with this. Your whole premise is garbage.

ETA2: I notice that none of the video headings specifically refer to rich WHITE people... funny, that.

 

[jmdrake]

Dude according to Uncle Sugar the TOP ONE PERCENT pay nearly 50% of all taxes collected. I don't need to watch your videos if the entity that has a vested interest in collecting said taxes tells me that openly. Are you saying that the IRS is lying that the TOP ONE PERCENT pay about 50% of all taxes collected? Is there something I'm missing that doesn't require me to sit through your half-dozen videos to discern your point? Maybe there is something I'm missing - if there is, could you kindly spend 2 minutes typing a short message describing to me what it is? I'm a busy man. I work for a living. If you want me to watch your videos, please give me an actual reason for me to do so rather than just dumping them in this thread and presuming that's an actual response...

If you think you know everything (and clearly you do NOT but you THINK you do), then your question was disingenuous from the beginning. But ask yourself this question "dude." How did Donald Trump pay ZERO taxes multiple years? Donald Trump said it himself. He's smart. I respect him for being smart.

Now, the top 1% makes most of the freaking money. So even paying a lower rate (and they pay a lower rate) they end up putting in more actual dollars. So what? Maybe you're an atheist, but Jesus pointed out that the window who put in a penny put in more then the rich pharisees who put in bags of gold because her giving was sacrificial. I'm all for a flat tax or zero tax. But the idea that somehow people who make more money should pay the same dollar amount as people who make less is wrong on a Biblical scale.

ETA: Also, IF these rich white people aren't paying "enough" (LOL) taxes, why should this anger me? I eagerly hope each year that Uncle Sugar does NOT steal too much from me... why would I be mad that "RiCh WyTe PeOpLe" don't pay "enough" in taxes? Here's how much I think they should pay in taxes: F**KING ZERO. And so should you and I.

Don't be a dufus. [MENTION=1866]AntiFederalist[/MENTION] made this about race by parroting Biden's talking points. I simply pointed out that under Biden nothing is going to change. Biden can claim he's going after white people, but in reality his policy (going after Cashapp users) will disproportionately hurt blacks.

I'm not even sure why this is a discussion point... taxes are little more than punitive and a campaign slogan - Federal spending outpaces tax receipts by a considerable margin. So, AGAIN, why should I care that "RICH WHITE PEOPLE" (which frankly is some racist bull$#@!) don't "pay enough"??

I'm not the one that brought race and taxes into the equation.

Edit: And I never said rich white people SHOULD be taxed more. That is YOU not paying attention to what was actually said in the thread! I'm pointing out what is, not what should be. That said I support a flat tax as does Ron Paul. It that happened, the tax rates of people like Donald Trump would go up because they wouldn't be able to deduct their income to zero. Income should not be taxed at all. I would prefer a VAT if we're going to have federal taxes.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

If you think you know everything (and clearly you do NOT but you THINK you do), then your question was disingenuous from the beginning. But ask yourself this question "dude." How did Donald Trump pay ZERO taxes multiple years? Donald Trump said it himself. He's smart. I respect him for being smart.

Now, the top 1% makes most of the freaking money. So even paying a lower rate (and they pay a lower rate) they end up putting in more actual dollars. So what? Maybe you're an atheist, but Jesus pointed out that the window who put in a penny put in more then the rich pharisees who put in bags of gold because her giving was sacrificial. I'm all for a flat tax or zero tax. But the idea that somehow people who make more money should pay the same dollar amount as people who make less is wrong on a Biblical scale.

They pay a lower rate because the tax laws allow them to pay a lower rate, for f**ks sake. But - AGAIN - WHO CARES!? I want to pay a lower rate, too. In fact, I want to pay at a ZERO% rate.

Can you please explain to me why I'm supposed to be mad that these people are afforded the opportunity to pay a quote-unquote smaller percentage of taxes than I am, other than I'm supposed to hate rich people for some reason?

"Render unto Caesar that whiich is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's." Jesus Christ didn't EVER say that the rich should pay more in taxes than the poor. He rejected the notion that the State could justly collect taxes. He emphatically denied the legitimacy of taxation. He called Matthew to be one of his followers as a tax collector, BECAUSE as such Matthew was a sinner. Matthew was also Christ's greatest biographer.

Don't be a dufus. [MENTION=1866]AntiFederalist[/MENTION] made this about race

And you have perpetuated it by posting about how "RICH WHITE PEOPLE" pay less in taxes. I'd love for you to explain to me why I'm supposed to be angry about that...

THE TAX RATE FOR ALL AMERICANS SHOULD BE ZERO. Good for the "RICH WHITE PEOPLE" for having the tax laws in line with that ideal. Also, you've yet to show that it is "RICH WHITE PEOPLE" who "DON'T PAY ANY TAXES", which is, of course, absurd - they pay about half of all tax receipts Uncle Sugar receives. So, you're WRONG about that.

Edit: And I never said rich white people SHOULD be taxed more. That is YOUR racism and/or ignorance coming out! I'm pointing out what is, not what should be. That said I support a flat tax as does Ron Paul. It that happened, the tax rates of people like Donald Trump would go up because they wouldn't be able to deduct their income to zero. Income should not be taxed at all. I would prefer a VAT if we're going to have federal taxes.

I'm being racist for suggesting that EVERY American should pay ZERO Federal taxes? What are you, a writer for the View for F**K'S sake? THERE WAS AN INCOME TAX RATE OF 0% IN THIS COUNTRY FROM IT'S FOUNDING (excluding during the Civil War) TO 1913. I want us to go back to that, and I'd love for Uncle Sugar to live on a budget that goes ALLLLLLLLLLL the way back to 2000. Honestly, I'd prefer the Fed Gov return to it's size, shape and funding to 1859, but beggars can't be choosers, I guess.

 

[jmdrake]

They pay a lower rate because the tax laws allow them to pay a lower rate, for f**ks sake. But - AGAIN - WHO CARES!? I want to pay a lower rate, too. In fact, I want to pay at a ZERO% rate.

So do I. I said that.

Can you please explain to me why I'm supposed to be mad that these people are afforded the opportunity to pay a quote-unquote smaller percentage of taxes than I am, other than I'm supposed to hate rich people for some reason?

Please show my where I said you were supposed to be mad at these people? Hint. I DIDN'T You're being an idiot for thinking I did.

I'm being racist for suggesting that EVERY American should pay ZERO Federal taxes?

That's what I suggested. You're being racist for falsely claiming I was being racist for simply pointing out that Biden really has no plans on going after rich white people.

 

[RJB]

Scott Adams has the right not to want to hang around black people.

People who disagree with Scot Adams have the right not to want to buy newspapers with his cartoon in it.

Newspapers have the right to cancel his cartoon rather than lose subscribers.

What's not to understand?

That it's a big deal.