Saylorsburg PA, 3 DEAD - Town Hall Meeting

[Lucille]

"When people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it."
--Gerald Celente

 

[69360]

They should have just left the old guy alone and everyone would have lived. He wasn't hurting anyone until they pushed him too far.


If they tried this with people who have junk in the yard or "illegal" housing around here it would be shootout at the ok corral at every meeting.

People need to mind their own business.

 

[LibForestPaul]

What an asshole.

You don't go defending your property by shooting at a room full of innocent people.

I disagree. Only pain educates TBTB. If a party was injured by this mans action regarding his "misuse" of his property, they should have brought suit and a jury of his peers could have held him accountable. No, not in this lawless country. They will learn slowly.

 

[nobody's_hero]

A lesson in why you don't fuck with people who have nothing left to lose. Sad outcome, but a lesson nonetheless.

 

[moostraks]

MT has done a much better job than I did....:o

Thank you...

 

[moostraks]

He could have walked past him for multiple reasons, this hardly is conclusive proof he had targets in mind. The fact, however, that he started shooting before he was even in the building to me indicates that he was not overly concerned with the safety of bystanders when trying to take out any particular targets, at the very least.

If this was a justified "preemptive strike" as some here are implying, then for it to be justified one has to do their utmost to not harm innocent bystanders. Not doing so is a similarly egregious violation of the NAP as what the township was doing to him.

You are thinking logically without the cloud of duress that this man had been living under to cause him to respond so drastically. It isn't necessarily completely justified (considering the potential for innocent bystanders also being in attendance) so much as understandable why he chose to target the meeting vs standing his ground on his property.

 

[Pericles]

I disagree. Only pain educates TBTB. If a party was injured by this mans action regarding his "misuse" of his property, they should have brought suit and a jury of his peers could have held him accountable. No, not in this lawless country. They will learn slowly.

The idea of eliminating the middleman from the transaction is a sound one. I may quibble with the method in which this plan was carried out, but targeting the decision makers is an effective tool.

 

[limequat]

I wonder how many of those people will continue to harass people?

 

[pcosmar]

I wonder how many of those people will continue to harass people?

One won't,,

perhaps others will think twice.

 

[Pericles]

One won't,,

perhaps others will think twice.

Like the OKC bombing - it stopped the ATF raids for almost 20 years.

 

[tod evans]

Like the OKC bombing - it stopped the ATF raids for almost 20 years.

The stupid SOB's didn't stay "learnt" though.......

 

[Pericles]

The stupid SOB's didn't stay "learnt" though.......

And the loss of life of those who took no part in ATF raids was a stain that stays with the liberty movement to this day.

 

[pcosmar]

Like the OKC bombing - it stopped the ATF raids for almost 20 years.

No it didn't.
and that was a government Op from start to finish that only consolidated their power.

Not even remotely related.

 

[Pericles]

No it didn't.
and that was a government Op from start to finish that only consolidated their power.

Not even remotely related.

I don't think it came off exactly the way the FBI and SPLC envisioned it ...

 

[pcosmar]

I don't think it came off exactly the way the FBI and SPLC envisioned it ...

It drove the growing Patriot Movement underground for years. Leaders were hunted and killed.
The FBI and ATF increased their power and resources. Militias were infiltrated and compromised nationwide.
Publicly slandered and became socially unacceptable.

McVeigh (a soldier and "true believer") was the fall guy and the investigation ended.
The SPLC is now a defacto government agency

I don't see how it was anything but a win for authoritarians.

 

[mosquitobite]

Poor guy at least has a roof over his head and 3 meals a day now.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Looks like a bunch of people learned about "blowback".

 

[osan]

Once again the "state" pushes a man beyond endurance and he predictably reacts.

Next up: media paints him as sick and evil, never raising the questions that any nominal idiot would ask off the bat.

Lovely.

 

[thoughtomator]

For "his property" there sure is a lot of public money involved. How many people do you know who get FEMA grants for their private property - especially among the ranks of those who just want to be left alone? Something is really odd about this and I have a feeling there is more to the background story that is material to the matter.

 

[osan]

...Rockne Newell, a self-proclaimed junk collector who has had a long-simmering feud with the township for keeping a junkyard on his property.

Note how almost cleverly the author puts onus on the shooter for the "feud". The township didn't have a feud with him, but he with them. No doubt the characterization from the other standpoint would have run along the line of the township discharging its duties or even obligations to "the people". The rot is now so hopelessly ingrained in these people's minds I do not believe they have the awareness required to qualify their words as having been crafted with malicious intent. These poor dumb bastards just have no clue. In their minds, government == right and anyone in disagreement == feuding with government.

As of 11 p.m., however, there was a delay in returning to his property, authorities said. Fearful that his property might be booby-trapped, police said that they might bring in bomb-sniffing dogs as a precaution.

See what I mean? The setup to convict without ever questioning the actions of "the state" is already well under weigh. They will crucify this guy (he may even deserve it) but not word one will ever be raised about what they did to prompt his actions. The tacit message and assumption there is that the state is never wrong, that the local boards always act correctly and righteously by definition, which may actually be the worst of it.

"I'll never get those images out of my head. Those poor, innocent people," she said.

Were they? Who were these people? Were they on this board or just attendees?

He got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Silly me for thinking a man needs no permit to dispose of his property as he sees fit. Yet most will view him as evil because he failed to get permission from people who hold no inherent authority to give or withhold such. How lost are the vast oceans of humanity, those waters so hopelessly polluted with poisons deadly and eternal.

Civil war may be the only solution. Imagine what that REALLY means - what it says about the pathetic and wretched state into which the people of this land have fallen. I don't think I can quite wrap my head completely around it.

Perhaps we need more gun laws. What do you all say?