Saw a Ron Paul 2012 billboard today!

C'mon Matt... we all come from different backgrounds with different ideas and different talents. We do not fit into a box. If you have an idea, great... go with it. But don't expect everyone to conform to your idea of how to win. Me personally... I make videos and signs (or at least that's what I did last campaign). I don't know how many times some RP supporters told me to stop wasting my time... signs don't win elections... delegates do. Well here in Nevada we kicked ass; and if it wasn't for the shady works of Sue Lowden and Bob Beers we would have swept the delegates for Nevada. If someone has an idea I say go with it, don't discourage anyone... or they might just go away.



Don't go away!!

Make videos!!

They are absolutely how I found out about Ron Paul....or at least how I got motivated to bother researching him.

Personally, I throw mailings away. But that might be in part because I live in LA and we get fistfuls around the elections.

That's a great video, and educational....
 
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No it's not glorious. It's a waste of funds, unless it was free. Billboards don't win elections. Voter ID and targeting wins elections.

totally disagree, the signs and the people on the street actually wake more folks up etc to what we are doing! They do help open doors and discussions and various other angles!!
 
C'mon Matt... we all come from different backgrounds with different ideas and different talents. We do not fit into a box. If you have an idea, great... go with it. But don't expect everyone to conform to your idea of how to win. Me personally... I make videos and signs (or at least that's what I did last campaign). I don't know how many times some RP supporters told me to stop wasting my time... signs don't win elections... delegates do. Well here in Nevada we kicked ass; and if it wasn't for the shady works of Sue Lowden and Bob Beers we would have swept the delegates for Nevada. If someone has an idea I say go with it, don't discourage anyone... or they might just go away.



Right on Patriot, I totally agree with you. And Matt it has been proven time and again that Billboards DO Work. But also agree that we need boots on the ground as well. Ron Paul has gotten a lot of attention in the past 3-4 yrs, the more attention he gets, the more folks see his name in lights, the more likely they will be to vote for him simply for the name recognition. Not everyone cares about listening to folks coming to their door.. think about it... There is no ONE way to get Ron nominated. We must hit from multiple directions. I firmly believe in the Paint the Town Ron Events. It shows incentive and true Grassroots support to see Homemade signs and billboards Everywhere you turn.. I say lets do it all.. Paint Iowa and New Hampshire Ron, hold sign waves, go door to door... leave no stone unturned...

As far as waiting for Ron to make his announcement.. phewy... if Ron sees RON PAUL 2012 signs and bumper stickers coming out, he Will run.. He has already said that if there is a need and a desire for him to run then he will... It's up to the Grassroots to convince him that we need him in the whitehouse...

For now... CPAC '11.. let's Completely saturate the Marriott with RP and Campaign for Liberty supporters... It's not an occasion to be missed!! Besides.. Both Ron and Rand will be speaking at the Liberty Forum....

See everyone there...

The R[EVOL]TION CONTINUES............ 2012!!
 
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No it's not glorious. It's a waste of funds, unless it was free. Billboards don't win elections. Voter ID and targeting wins elections.

Disagree.. Billboards are NOT a waste.. they give name recognition and spur discussions. They are beneficial.. ALL signage is beneficial.

If you're 60 years old, and someone knocks on your door saying vote for Mr.X, are you going to listen if you never heard of him? Or are you going to listen because you saw his billboard, yard signs and heard the town talking about Mr.X?
 
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Have you people not learned ANYTHING in the last 4 years?!?!


Billboards, signs and blimps might excite people, BUT THEY DON'T WIN ELECTIONS!!!

Please learn from history!

What wins elections is identifying voters, targeting voters with specific marketing, getting them out to vote, and good PR. The grassroots can't do much about the PR, but they can do EVERYTHING with the identification and targeting of voters.




And Matt it has been proven time and again that Billboards DO Work.
Not if you're trying to win an election.

totally disagree, the signs and the people on the street actually wake more folks up etc to what we are doing! They do help open doors and discussions and various other angles!!
Of course, but realize that is not the same objective as winning an election.

But don't expect everyone to conform to your idea of how to win.
You should've instead said "what winning means". That part is subjective. The steps to win an election are not as it has been proven time and time again.


Me personally... I make videos and signs (or at least that's what I did last campaign). I don't know how many times some RP supporters told me to stop wasting my time
That's great, but no one knew any better back then. After Ron's glorious electoral loss, and Rand's glorious win, we now know how to win elections. Well at least those of us who are paying attention do.

If you 60 years old, and someone knocks on your door saying vote for Mr.X, are you going to listen if you never heard of him?
Yes actually. I've seen it dozens if not hundreds of times in the last few years. When was the last time you went door knocking for candidates?
 
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Have you people not learned ANYTHING in the last 4 years?!?!


Billboards, signs and blimps might excite people, BUT THEY DON'T WIN ELECTIONS!!!

Please learn from history!

What wins elections is identifying voters, targeting voters with specific marketing, getting them out to vote, and good PR. The grassroots can't do much about the PR, but they can do EVERYTHING with the identification and targeting of voters.




Not if you're trying to win an election.

Of course, but realize that is not the same objective as winning an election.

You should've instead said "what winning means". That part is subjective. The steps to win an election are not as it has been proven time and time again.


That's great, but no one knew any better back then. After Ron's glorious electoral loss, and Rand's glorious win, we now know how to win elections. Well at least those of us who are paying attention do.

Yes actually. I've seen it dozens if not hundreds of times in the last few years. When was the last time you went door knocking for candidates?

I am not interested in listening to people who knock at my door for candidates. I'll get out there for Ron, and will try to be engaging about it, but I'm pissed when people interrupt me at home whether for magazines or for candidates. I can find out which candidates I want on my own. Different things work for different people and Ron Paul supporters' techniques were taken by even non-RP parts of the tea party BECAUSE THEY CAPTURE THE IMAGINATION.

Mailings may be effective, and we will do them, but they are no fun, and many throw them away. I would suggest we do some VERY EARLY before they become background noise, as well as the ones right before the election. Canvassing we will do, but in non conservative areas UNLIKE Kentucky, finding neighborhoods to target will miss a lot of people who could at least be intrigued by billboards etc. What works in KY where Jack the Ripper isn't expected to be the person knocking on your door with no invitation is different from what works elsewhere where people just say 'not interested' if they even open the door. And some of those people might BE interested if they looked into it themselves. We need to do everything.

I ABSOLUTELY agree we need to get a phone bank database set up like the one Rand used, to target those interested and get out the vote, etc. I volunteer to work on it when it is set up. But we should get people thinking about him, as well.
 
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I am not interested in listening to people who knock at my door for candidates.
You may not be, but you are not the average voter either!

It works, I've seen it happen, and I've won elections like this.

but I'm pissed when people interrupt me at home whether for magazines or for candidates. I can find out which candidates I want on my own.
Of course, but you are not like most voters.

But let me ask you this, if there was a mini-Ron Paul running for your county commission, and he knocked on your door, or someone knocked on your door on their behalf, wouldn't you be grateful to know about it?

Most conservatives would be thrilled to know about a fellow conservative running for office and being told about it in person. Many are in fact appreciative that someone took the time to come to their house to tell them about the candidate!

Remember most voters still don't get their information from the Internet like you and I do.

Mailings may be effective, and we will do them, but they are no fun, and many throw them away. I would suggest we do some VERY EARLY before they become background noise, as well as the ones right before the election. Canvassing we will do, but in non conservative areas UNLIKE Kentucky, finding neighborhoods to target will miss a lot of people who could at least be intrigued by billboards etc. What works in KY where Jack the Ripper isn't expected to be the person knocking on your door with no invitation is different from what works elsewhere where people just say 'not interested' if they even open the door. And some of those people might BE interested if they looked into it themselves. We need to do everything.
I don't understand what you are saying here. But how many doors have you knocked on for campaigns? How many campaigns have you gone door knocking for?

I ABSOLUTELY agree we need to get a phone bank database set up like the one Rand used, to target those interested and get out the vote, etc. I volunteer to work on it when it is set up. But we should get people thinking about him, as well.
Exactly. But in 2008 we neglected the targeting and lost the election miserably because of it.
 
Chill pill?
Probably needed yes but it's just frustrating to see people about to make the exact same mistakes over again when the proof of why it's a mistake is right in front of them...grr...


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But let me ask you this, if there was a mini-Ron Paul running for your county commission, and he knocked on your door, or someone knocked on your door on their behalf, wouldn't you be grateful to know about it?

Most conservatives would be thrilled to know about a fellow conservative running for office and being told about it in person. Many are in fact appreciative that someone took the time to come to their house to tell them about the candidate!

In areas near Kentucky, right?

I don't understand what you are saying here. But how many doors have you knocked on for campaigns? How many campaigns have you gone door knocking for?

Exactly. But in 2008 we neglected the targeting and lost the election miserably because of it.

I have not knocked on doors for one campaign, but I know how I treated those who knocked. However, I registered here and at DP so I could get involved in this one, including in canvassing. I agree it needs to be done. I don't think we need to be a wet blanket for the more imaginative, and intriguing efforts though, which are a trademark of Ron Paul's campaign. I am here because of discussions in forums and because of videos, initially. I would not have looked into him, otherwise. I live in a very Democratic state, and no one was discussing Ron Paul at the office, I assure you. But while Ron might not win our state in a general, because there are so many Dems, there is no reason he shouldn't get support in a primary election.

I have lived BOTH in rural/suburban Illinois and in 'suburban' Los Angeles, and cities are different. For one thing, many neighborhoods are pretty well filled of luxury/security condos/apts. The more dense the residential area, the more likely access will be limited to the residents. In my part of town there are single family houses, but these pockets are between the much more densely inhabited areas. We need to reach more voters than door to door knocking will reach. Also, the bigger the city, the less open people are to having their door knocked on because their exposure to it tends to be negative. For example, living here as long as I have, girl / boy scouts have only come to the door twice, and they were friends of my kids'. They sell at grocery store parking lots and starbucks. People just don't casually interact with strangers the same way. Again, I've lived in rural Illinois, and I am telling you, the difference is indescribable -- but needs to be taken into account to make a dent in areas where Ron DIDN'T do well last time.

And I'm not saying he'd win my area, but there are those in between mine and yours where intriguing ads and billboards can get him a higher profile.
 
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Yes actually. I've seen it dozens if not hundreds of times in the last few years. When was the last time you went door knocking for candidates?

I contribute where I can thank you. But by your logic, should we not have yard signs either? The fact is, branding and marketing do work. Targeted branding and marketing work even better, and I get what you're saying, but branding creates name recognition, which creates a sense of familiarity and openness to listening and accepting ideas and support. I firmly believe name recognition and the bandwagon effect play an important role in elections and signage is crucial in those areas.
 
Yes I do, and the same principles still stand. How many votes did the blimp get Ron back in 2008?

Hard to say. It sure made a lot of news shows, and was intriguing. I was intrigued. Whose supporters would DO such a thing? All that work! Mind you, I might have thought it less a good buy for the money if I knew it couldn't fly in so many of the key times due to weather..... but it was a learning experience, and he is STILL known for that blimp, two years later.
 
Yes I do, and the same principles still stand. How many votes did the blimp get Ron back in 2008?

You are the only one talking about the blimp here. And that is a straw man argument. Keep digging Matt, and maybe I'll start asking questions like how many campaigns did "you" (the singular you) win?
 
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In areas near Kentucky, right?
And TN.


I have not knocked on doors for one campaign,
Well there ya go, thanks for admitting that you have zero experience with this.

but I know how I treated those who knocked.
Again, you are not most people.

However, I registered here and at DP so I could get involved in this one, including in canvassing. I agree it needs to be done. I
I am glad you realize that.

But I too have never gone door knocking in my immediate area because it would be a waste of time. The demographics in my area will NOT lend themselves to a RP campaign.


And I'm not saying he'd win my area, but there are those in between mine and yours where intriguing ads and billboards can get him a higher profile.
Well the trick is to work the areas that he has a chance to win, go after the low hanging fruit, not the impossible neighborhoods (or states for that matter).
 
But by your logic, should we not have yard signs either?
Yard signs are ok, but they are not what wins elections either. If yard signs win elections, we'd be saying "President Paul" right now.

Yard signs have a purpose, but they are very limited.

The fact is, branding and marketing do work. Targeted branding and marketing work even better, and I get what you're saying, but branding creates name recognition, which creates a sense of familiarity and openness to listening and accepting ideas and support. I firmly believe name recognition and the bandwagon effect play an important role in elections
Of course absolutely.


and signage is crucial in those areas.
Not compared to direct marketing. Signs tend to reaffirm a person's decision to vote for a candidate, but they don't tend to make people decide to vote for someone.
 
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