Sanford admits to affair

[JoshLowry]

I have my dark side too, but I don't let that interfere with my work, political activities, or relationships. God forbid we vote for people on the issues rather than character.

The character of a person will determine many of the decisions they make.

You can't keep them separated.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have my dark side too, but I don't let that interfere with my work, political activities, or relationships. God forbid we vote for people on the issues rather than character.

Uh, character is pretty damn important. It's an indicator, just like their voting record, of whether they can be trusted.

 

[dannno]

No, she's saying that it puts you on the same level as a male dog. Animals are unable to control their urges. People should be able to.

WHY should humans go through so much effort to "control" their urges when they don't have to?!

Women are so presumptuous about men's urges it is absolutely amazing.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I am being attacked cause Sanford was wrong and his wife was right, no matter what. It didn't matter that she broke her vows, because he broke his 'worse'

How do you know that she broke her vows? You're just speculating.

 

[moostraks]

WHY should humans go through so much effort to "control" their urges when they don't have to?!

Women are so presumptuous about men's urges it is absolutely amazing.

Oh please elaborate...

 

[Deborah K]

No doubt! I recognize this. It's the way this happened that intrigues me. If he has been having an affair, how has he been meeting this woman? Probably just like any other? Business Trips. Conferences. Whatever. Now, why on earth would he not do the same again? The man KNOWS that if he 'disappears' for many days, as Governor, that people will be looking for him. Now why would he do that? Why would he not tell his 'trusted' staff where he was going? Or have someone he trusts set up a trip for him? A smart man having an affair would know how to meet his lover w/out raising too many questions. Why disappear like that? Who was he hiding from? More than his wife, that's for sure. And that leads me to wonder what he was doing? Really? How do we know we are hearing the truth? Why was MSM in such an uproar from the get go? Because they are truly investigative journalists? *lol* Who do they work for? How do we know the man isn't being blackmailed?

Maybe he was so degraded after the a$$ whoopin he took (with 10 or so of his vetoes being overridden) that he ran to the arms of his lover for comfort not caring about the consequences and assuming that his staff would handle it for him. Even smart men can be real dumbsh&ts at times.

 

[pinkmandy]

Okay, think about the original story. He went hiking according to his staff. Then, they found his SUV at the airport. It contained hiking stuff (sleeping bag, clothes, etc.). Then, when asked about the hiking Sanford said he didn't know where his staff got that information. The affair doesn't explain that.

Is it possible he was going hiking but ran into someone else at the airport? And if he went to Argentina, didn't he need his passport? Aren't they chipped? Wouldn't that have been discovered?

Just another discrepancy. There seem to be quite a few of them imo.

 

[dannno]

How do you know that she broke her vows? You're just speculating.

Ya, and I admitted that from the beginning..That was the point, I am speculating, but it's a valid speculation to make because you're saying that no matter what the wife is right when the husband cheats and he's a scumbag. I'm saying there are other situations that could have led to this where he could have potentially been acting in a reasonable manner.. I myself would probably cheat on my wife if we had kids and she were doing that out of spite or some weird thing. It would have to be a long-term trend, but I would have my breaking point. If we didn't have kids then it wouldn't be an issue because I would break up with her. I don't want to be in a one-sided relationship.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

It is VERY suspicious. tones

 

[johnrocks]

This cost him votes,imho. I know it cost him mine.

 

[Original_Intent]

Ya, and I admitted that from the beginning..That was the point, I am speculating, but it's a valid speculation to make because you're saying that no matter what the wife is right when the husband cheats and he's a scumbag. I'm saying there are other situations that could have led to this where he could have potentially been acting in a reasonable manner.. I myself would probably cheat on my wife if we had kids and she were doing that out of spite or some weird thing. It would have to be a long-term trend, but I would have my breaking point. If we didn't have kids then it wouldn't be an issue because I would break up with her. I don't want to be in a one-sided relationship.

Are you married to your wife or dating her? Pathetic.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ya, and I admitted that from the beginning..That was the point, I am speculating, but it's a valid speculation to make because you're saying that no matter what the wife is right when the husband cheats and he's a scumbag. I'm saying there are other situations that could have led to this where he could have potentially been acting in a reasonable manner.. I myself would probably cheat on my wife if we had kids and she were doing that out of spite or some weird thing. It would have to be a long-term trend, but I would have my breaking point. If we didn't have kids then it wouldn't be an issue because I would break up with her. I don't want to be in a one-sided relationship.

lol.

No. Regardless of what she was doing, him having sex with another woman was wrong. If she was doing something herself, that would make her wrong too. It wouldn't all of a sudden make him innocent, or make his actions understandable.

 

[Deborah K]

We are weak if we fight our instincts in my opinion.....and not recognizing that people follow instincts is a also a sign of weakness.

Is this an excuse for breaking vows? Husbands take vows. Governors take vows. Why take a vow if your desire to follow your instincts is going to override it anyway?

What separates us from the animal kingdom is that fact that we have the ability to rise above our primal instincts for the sake of honor.

I disagree with you. It is weak to give in to our instincts when to do so, dishonors us or others. The strength to control our selfish desires, when we are feeling vulnerable is part of what makes humanity so special.

 

[specsaregood]

This cost him votes,imho. I know it cost him mine.

You say that now; but just wait until you see the douchebags he is up against. This little affair will be old news and minor in comparison to the others' faults.

 

[Deborah K]

Okay, think about the original story. He went hiking according to his staff. Then, they found his SUV at the airport. It contained hiking stuff (sleeping bag, clothes, etc.). Then, when asked about the hiking Sanford said he didn't know where his staff got that information. The affair doesn't explain that.

Is it possible he was going hiking but ran into someone else at the airport? And if he went to Argentina, didn't he need his passport? Aren't they chipped? Wouldn't that have been discovered?

Just another discrepancy. There seem to be quite a few of them imo.

There will be until all the "facts" come to light.

 

[johnrocks]

You say that now; but just wait until you see the douchebags he is up against. This little affair will be old news and minor in comparison to the others' faults.

You may be right,it is 3 years away but this one stings for me, I really liked Sanford, I think from a pragmatic side,he was one who could bring a lot of us on the right together, he isn't the whole package like RP but he's just "imperfect" enough to get others on board,imho, I do think this is a huge blow though,time will tell,we shall see.

 

[Chieftain1776]

Here's my conspiracy theory: He has a love-child with that woman in Argentina and was spending "Father's Day" with his "other family".

Why do it specifically on Father's Day weekend of all the times... with his wife knowing?

Also, while I'm speculating, why did she put up with it? Maybe she did something herself and was letting him have his fling, or knew about the love child and let it go, or just plain accepted it.

Anyway he's shown in his press conference that he would have probably messed up in a role of "spokesman" for liberty. What idiot would go on and on about "sparks" with his mistress to the public while confessing to having an affair on Father's Day weekend?

 

[LittleLightShining]

It's a personal thing.

I mean, we really don't know the circumstances.

I'm pretty sure a lot of women here will get mad for me saying this, but if she was holding out on him then I place the blame equally on both of them. If I were married for years and years and my wife started holding out on sex, I don't know that I would hunt for it but if the sex came to me I would take it without any moral qualms. That doesn't mean I would leave her, and it looks like he doesn't want that to happen. I guess you have to be male to understand, but sex is a completely different thing for guys.

I don't know if this was the situation or not, it's all speculation, but I wouldn't really say this is a lack of character neccessarily.. more like a sign of a strong libido. If he has the will to stay and support his family and leave behind the slut, then that is what matters.

He was a war hawk anyway, so no biggie.

Holy moly, dannno... I'm at a loss. Um, yes. It does show a lack of character. IF this is true, and I have my suspicions, it certainly shows a lack of character strong libido notwithstanding.

I think we Americans are going to have to form the new: TEA PARTY, because the Republican party is Dead with all this crap over the past 10 years.

There's a lot more to this statement than most people would think.

I think there's more to this story than an affair (which he could have on any business trip, no need to disappear all of a sudden after all the political ruckus he was involved in). Seems to me that there was some MSM (TPTB?) panic when he couldn't be found. This all seems so contrived to me. Kind of like the Spitzer ordeal.

I agree.

"I wanted to do something exotic," Sanford explained earlier

I guess this takes on another meaning.

Something about that statement struck me, too.

Of course it demonstrates a lack of character!!!

See! Even Carole says so (and I have the utmost respect for Carole)!

If you can't be loyal to your wife (and more importantly, your kids) than how the hell can you be trusted with the massive (usually evil) power of the state?

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IN any case, I never bought this guy's devotion to the liberty movement. No anti-war, anti-statist, pro-market libertarian would pander to creeps like Newt Gingrich.

Exactly! IF this story is the true one.

Or here he comes.

(Newt Gingrich)

I hate to say it but Newt is riding that Tea Party train as far as it will take him.

I hope you're right. I've been quite depressed about the future of the country lately, and Sanford was my one bright spot.

This really hurt my spirit.

Something about Sanford never sat right with me. I liked his chutzpah with the stimulus funds but... I don't know.

Cue the Gary Johnson worship in 5...4...3...2..

Yay! Gary Johnson ftw! He's been my favorite contender for 2012.

I don't think Sanford is an idiot. Which is what he would be if he ran off for a week w/out telling anyone where he was going just to sleep w/a woman. Not even his staff. A staff that could easily send him off to a meeting, a conference, ANYTHING. For some reason he couldn't trust his own staff? If he was having an affair then you can bet they knew about it prior to his trip and have probably arranged other meetings for him.

No, he was hiding from everyone intentionally and the MSM took notice and made this a story. He didn't want to be found. I just can't believe he committed political suicide, knowingly, to go spend a week w/a woman when he could have done that w/out raising any suspicion whatsoever. The events portrayed don't make sense for a man aspiring to be President. He's smarter than that.

I think you're probably on the right path here. Something stinks.

I'm wondering if he was doing something to subvert some plans of TPTB. Perhaps he really was angry over being forced to take stimulus money? He has been talking a lot about states rights, he was forced to take the stimulus money after fighting hard against it and then he tried to pay down debt w/it and lost again. Maybe that was all a show or maybe the man realized everything that has been happening and thought he could do something to make a difference?

Imo, the MSM are nothing more than propaganda tools and there's almost always more than meets the eye. This man disappeared. Right after the legislature ended the session. After a lot of vicious infighting. Don't we always wish *someone* would just make a stand? Expose what is going on? Maybe he was trying to do just that- who knows where he was, what he was doing, who he was meeting with (or maybe it was just an affair). I just can't fathom him creating this circus so he could leave his kids on Father's Day weekend to go sleep w/a woman when he could have done that at anytime. Like next week he could have planned a trip with no hoopla at all. This doesn't make sense. He's smart. He knew he was going to be the center of attention when he secretly left without notifying his staff or the Lt Gov. Whatever it was, it had to be worth it personally because he had to know he was possibly sacrificing his political future. I just don't buy this was over a woman. I just don't think he's stupid enough to have handled an affair this way.

I think this is political. Whatever it is. I think we'll see more 'leaks' coming out in the days and weeks to come, though.

However much I'd like to think this is true, I still don't trust him enough to think he really is a good guy and not some kind of controlled opposition. But maybe he is and maybe he wiggled out of the leash for a few days... we'll see. But we should really be making sure to pay attention to the other stuff that's happening in the meantime. We have 40 days til Iran explodes which is likely going to provide cover for something else...

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Out of the running. Serious has nothing to do with it, but MANY people in America are very Religious and will not vote him now.

we don't need someone that just us Liberty minded people will vote for but someone that can get the populous to vote as well. Sanford just lost that.

 

[specsaregood]

You may be right,it is 3 years away but this one stings for me, I really liked Sanford, I think from a pragmatic side,he was one who could bring a lot of us on the right together, he isn't the whole package like RP but he's just "imperfect" enough to get others on board,imho, I do think this is a huge blow though,time will tell,we shall see.

Well you should be "happy" I guess. I stand by my assessment that this was an act of cleaning out the skeletons in the closet in preparation for a presidential run in a couple years. Hell, he probably was really holed up with a bunch of campaign-advisors over the weekend stategizing and this was one thing they decided upon doing.

And, it isn't like the last Republican nominee for president hadn't had at least one well publicized affair.