Sanctions Force India to Pay in Gold for Iran Oil, China May Follow 1/24/12

[nicname]

I can hear it now.

An upcoming debate.

RP - ...and besides the sanctions don't work anyway, India is planning to pay for Iranian oil in gold. China is getting in line right behind them. What are we going to do start a war with Iran, India and China?

some other candidate (probably Santorum) - We'll do whatever it takes. The United State of America does not tolerate nations who support or prop up known terrorist states. They are anti-west, anti-america and if India and whomever else want to support them then we'll go after them too!

cue applause from GOP debate audience.

 

[Dsylexic]

RT may be owned by Russian govt.but the anchors are all american.arent they? even adam kokesh had his own show on it.
so unless you want to accuse the fairly intelligent discussion on RT as libertarian bias from the Russian govt -which is as improbable as snow in the sahara-the correct conclusion is that RT America has become a libertarian refuge,just like stossel and judge on fox business. like minded anchors attract each other.
so,i dont think MSM is a 'conspiracy by murdoch'.it is just that like minded people work together.statists,socialists and neocons flock together at cnn and msnbc or fox. libertarians on RT and Fox biz

 

[Barrex]

I believe Barrex is from Croatia. There is a news outlet from Russia called RT. It reports alternative points of view when compared to US MSM. Here is a live feed of their broadcasts......... http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

They also have a Youtube channel....... http://www.youtube.com/user/RTAmerica

goliberty78
Yes I am from Croatia....and sharing sources is not problem. Problem is that they are on Croatian...or german from time to time.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Al Jazeera is a fairly unbiased news channel as well. http://www.aljazeera.com

Then independant news organisations like The Real News - http://therealnews.com/t2/

Then believe it or not we have pretty good news from our two main Swedish TV channels. Although sometimes they rely on foreign news oulets i.e propaganda.

Furthermore, critical thinking & awareness of propaganda is thought in school. At least when I attended it back in the 90's.

Cocerning Libya, they wanted to introduce a new african currency backed by gold.

I would not call al jazeera un biased and certeainly not trustworthy . . .

it is the state owned media of Qatar and perheps because of its' middle eastern " heritage " is all too often seen as legit

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ary-Clinton-and-Libya&highlight=qatar+jazeera

 

[BigByrd47119]

RT may be owned by Russian govt.but the anchors are all american.arent they? even adam kokesh had his own show on it.
so unless you want to accuse the fairly intelligent discussion on RT as libertarian bias from the Russian govt -which is as improbable as snow in the sahara-the correct conclusion is that RT America has become a libertarian refuge,just like stossel and judge on fox business. like minded anchors attract each other.
so,i dont think MSM is a 'conspiracy by murdoch'.it is just that like minded people work together.statists,socialists and neocons flock together at cnn and msnbc or fox. libertarians on RT and Fox biz

http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2011/07/18/did-you-know-of-the-day-21/

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Here is a video on this topic at RT right now.

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Thanks for posting this video.

To any international posters for whom this is all common knowledge, you have to believe that 99.5% of Americans know nothing about this.

I'm 43 and just learned of it all last night. What an eye openner this all is.

Paulites, if you have not yet watched the videos in this thread, it's critical you become aware of this Petrodollar situation and why the dollar is really in jeopardy and the need to get control of Irans oil to save it. The videos also explain why we have become a nation of exporting dollars instead of goods.





news

Here is a video on this topic at RT right now.

 

[hazek]

I looked a bit and wasn't able to find any western sources of this news on google. I'm not saying it's not true but I'd like to see more evidence before I'll believe it's true.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Thanks for posting this video.

No problem here is some more on the topic and they mention Ron Paul's position on the issue........

 

[Victor]

I would not call al jazeera un biased and certeainly not trustworthy . . .

it is the state owned media of Qatar and perheps because of its' middle eastern " heritage " is all too often seen as legit

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ary-Clinton-and-Libya&highlight=qatar+jazeera

True. Although they had plenty of live coverage when the uprising in Egypt happened. And to my knowledge that was not an CIA op.

All news are propaganda in someway, you have to be selective in what to believe in and always be on your guard. There is a war on people's minds & hearts.

 

[nbruno322]

True. Although they had plenty of live coverage when the uprising in Egypt happened. And to my knowledge that was not an CIA op.

All news are propaganda in someway, you have to be selective in what to believe in and always be on your guard. There is a war on people's minds & hearts.

Qatar used to be WAY more neutral than what it has become now....essentially now another full-blown puppet sheikhdom in the gulf that wouldn't exist if not for the Brits and Americans.

I dare you to compare their coverage of the protests in Eastern Saudi Arabia and Bahrain to that of their sensationalized coverage of Syria and Libya. Its laughable.

Also, it is well known that the gulf sheikhdoms play footsie with Israel covertly...however it has now become more overt, the Emir of Qatar recently visited Tzipi Livni in Israel. Now that is all fine and non of my business, but I just bring it up to illustrate that Qatar is certainly not as neutral as they portray themselves to be.

 

[r3volutionpaul91]

if it takes a total collapse of the US dollar for people to wake up then so be it. Yes it would be one of the worst things that could happen to this country but it would also guarantee an awakening of at least 90% of americans to ron paul's message, If the people still are clueless then we really are screwed. I guess all we can do is wait and see, it isnt no "if" it crashes, its "when". after watching these videos the crash of the dollar is inevitable.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

All news are propaganda in someway, you have to be selective in what to believe in and always be on your guard. There is a war on people's minds & hearts.

So true Victor.

 

[Mini-Me]

if it takes a total collapse of the US dollar for people to wake up then so be it. Yes it would be one of the worst things that could happen to this country but it would also guarantee an awakening of at least 90% of americans to ron paul's message, If the people still are clueless then we really are screwed. I guess all we can do is wait and see, it isnt no "if" it crashes, its "when". after watching these videos the crash of the dollar is inevitable.

I don't know if that would really guarantee an awakening to Ron Paul's message though. When people are starving in the streets, and the media wails, "Capitalism has failed! Trust your government; they'll save you!" what do you think they're going to believe?

Depending on how rapidly the dollar hyperinflates, we could seriously have trouble getting the oil to produce and transport food. We still aren't drilling in Alaska, and I don't know of any existing energy alternatives currently capable of that kind of legwork either. Both alternatives take time to set into motion. If the petrodollar system failed suddenly and spectacularly tomorrow, then two weeks from now, you might be much more concerned about the survival of your family than the popularity of Ron Paul's message. Be careful what you wish for.

In the end, a full collapse just might wake the public up, and it just might be necessary to do so...but don't say "bring it on" until you know we'll manage to scrape by. If the collapse is slow, we'll manage to restructure, no matter how painful it is. If the collapse is sudden, it could be horrific, and you or I might be among the casualties. Economic collapses have occurred frequently throughout history, and people generally scraped by, but they usually had much more local sources of food. I don't think an economic collapse has ever happened in a country with such a high, nonlocal division of labor and such nonlocal food sourcing, and I'm not exactly excited to see what it will look like.

 

[bronxboy10]

Pretty amazing stuff. I hope he brings it up.

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

if it takes a total collapse of the US dollar for people to wake up then so be it. Yes it would be one of the worst things that could happen to this country but it would also guarantee an awakening of at least 90% of americans to ron paul's message, If the people still are clueless then we really are screwed. I guess all we can do is wait and see, it isnt no "if" it crashes, its "when". after watching these videos the crash of the dollar is inevitable.

Those who have billions of U.S. dollars will do everything they can to take over Irans oil to protect their "petrodollar" wealth.

The dollar crashing next isn't my most immediate concern.

WORLD WAR III is most probable to happen here next.

 

[Mini-Me]

Those who have billions of U.S. dollars will do everything they can to take over Irans oil to protect their "petrodollar" wealth.

The dollar crashing next isn't my most immediate concern.

WORLD WAR III is most probable to happen here next.

Interestingly, individual billionaires are plenty capable of transferring many of their dollars to other currencies or hard assets. Foreign governments are another story; for instance, China has a vested interest to get as much as they can for their dollars. That's one of the reasons for the push for an international fiat currency: Dollar holders want to exchange their currency for something out of US control before it's too late, and globalist elites obviously want to be in charge.

The World War III threat is related to the petrodollar situation, but I think the likely reasons are tied more indirectly. The way I see it, there are a few reasons some might want to push for it:

• Globalists may want to keep the petrodollar game running as long as they can before jumping ship, even if it means the threat of World War III. There might be ulterior motives here too, such as wanting to completely destroy America's morale and reputation throughout the world. Right now, we're disliked by many and barely tolerated by our allies. If the US government provokes World War III over this, we will be written about in the history books like Nazi Germany. What better way to finally destroy the country that gave birth to the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution?
• Globalists might not actually want war; instead, they might be guiding their pawns to put imminent pressure on other governments, with the intent of accelerating global fiat currency talks. China in particular would be very happy to take the deal: Getting a "fresh" currency would bail them out of their dollars and maintain their oil purchasing power, even though it would be no real help to us (since we have no manufacturing capacity). However, many in the political class might actually have emotional ties to America, so they don't want to just "jump ship," and their goal is to blindly "protect" the petrodollar at all costs. It's possible that the elites are actually divided on a course of action: The more liberal ones may want one world government and currency in the way we traditionally think of it, whereas the neocons might actually want an eternal American empire as an alternative.
• Even if there's no ideological divide in the ranks of the elites, "rogue puppets" could still fall under the American imperialist category. You know how the elites used Osama bin Laden to mire the Soviets in Afghanistan, and then years later he turned on them? For all we know, useful idiots like Santorum could end up behaving similarly. The real power brokers could hypothetically be bluffing, but if neocon politicians have been drinking their own kool-aid for too long, they might now be wild cards who are dangerous to practically everyone.
• The worst case scenario is that people like Alex Jones guessed correctly, and the globalists literally want to decimate the world population.

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Mini-me,

You were being rational in your thought processes of options the global elites can take.



So far, their rational lead them to chose the option of invading Iraq, killing Saddam and take over control of their oil.

They chose to attack Lybia, kill Gaddahfi and throw a wrench in their going off the petro dollar system for now.

Why won't they choose to attack Iran next? Iran has friends that can make it a real cluster&^%$ for us if we do.

The global elites are KRAZY, not rational.

I am hoping as you suggested may happen, that many puppets get a flash of conscious and turn on their puppeteers through this, including those in the media.

 

[Mini-Me]

Mini-me,

You were being rational in your thought processes of options the global elites can take.



So far, their rational lead them to chose the option of invading Iraq, killing Saddam and take over control of their oil.

They chose to attack Lybia, kill Gaddahfi and throw a wrench in their going off the petro dollar system for now.

Why won't they choose to attack Iran next? Iran has friends that can make it a real cluster&^%$ for us if we do.

The global elites are KRAZY, not rational.

I am hoping as you suggested may happen, that many puppets get a flash of conscious and turn on their puppeteers through this, including those in the media.

Unfortunately, I meant my comment about puppets more pessimistically: If some of the elites are actually American imperialists for real, the warmongering and third world country takeovers could very well be - as you say - irrational and desperate means to an end. However, pretend for a second that the actual globalist elites are not actually crazy enough to take things as far as all-out World War III. Pretend they're willing to take over countries like Iraq, Libya, and Iran, but they'll back down from war with China and Russia if push comes to shove. What about their brainwashed neocon puppets? Those guys might still actually believe in American empire (AMERICA, F*** YEAH!) with all their hearts. If that's the case, then those guys will still be crazy enough to drive America into World War III even if the globalists are not...which makes them dangerous to ALL of us.

Personally though, I tentatively believe the first option (from my above post) is the case: At least some of the elites want to keep the petrodollar game running as long as they can, but I do think they're also excited about letting America start World War III, so we'll be demonized for the rest of history almost as much as Nazi Germany. I have the impression that they hate our Enlightenment heritage, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence SO much that they want to see us destroyed, and they never want another country like the US to ever come into being again. Their takeover of the country was our humiliation, and our destruction will be their triumph.

All that said, I think China will be loathe to go to war, even on behalf of their ally Iran. They just have too many US dollars on the line to let the US destroy itself suddenly, so they're much more interested in seeing a world currency take shape before World War III or a petrodollar collapse. At the same time, some of their allies do not share those same interests...which is why there are just so many possible outcomes from this situation. For all we know, the elites are playing both sides too: They could be happy with either World War III or a global fiat currency, whichever comes first (and a global fiat currency will likely follow World War III anyway).

It's quite possible that other countries are watching our elections with interest to see if we have a change in policy at this 11th hour. I don't know if 2012 is our last chance or not, but 2016 just seems so far away right now, now that I've finally taken these issues into full consideration.