Salon Goes After Glenn Beck For Saying "Freedom is Ugly" in regard to Proposed Arizona Law

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Salon Goes After Glenn Beck For Saying "Freedom is Ugly" in regard to Proposed Arizona Law

Goes right over their heads.

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During Tuesday’s “morning meeting,” Beck sat around with some of his co-workers and explained at length his thinking on the controversial bill:

Emotionally, I’m torn on it, because I want people to — let’s treat people right, let’s just be good, decent people. And thought today, I don’t to see signs in my country that say No Jews, No Dogs, No Gays — whatever. And you’d have the right to have a sign if your religion taught you that. And there are religions that would say No Jews, No Dogs and No Gays. So I don’t like that. But I thought, you know what? We’re not the same America that we were in the 1950s. We won’t frequent those places. And so there’s half of it.

The other half is, I don’t want to be forced to do something that goes against my religion. So why is this law so wrong, so hateful?


Later on, speaking about a hypothetical business owner who decides they won’t let LGBT people shop in their store, Beck said, “Is it their right to do that? Yeah! Fine.”

Beck next compared anti-gay discrimination (or really any form of discrimination) to a nightclub bouncer or owner deciding who will be admitted and who won’t. “What are they doing? They’re discriminating against people like me — old, dumpy people.”
 
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Uh... freedom is ugly. It's messy and chaotic.... that is what makes it beautiful. It's the tyrants who try to bring 'order' to the masses that destroy anything worth a damn.
 
But you forget, AuH2O. salon.com is still trying to maintain the obvious fiction that freedom and liberty are the things that they promote...
 
But you forget, AuH2O. salon.com is still trying to maintain the obvious fiction that freedom and liberty are the things that they promote...

largely because without this core belief they simply cannot go on promoting the excesses of the state.
 
Beck is still completely mischaracterizing the bill. The bill wouldn't have allowed a private business owner to deny service to a gay couple who came into his restaurant to eat. The bill simply pertains to gay weddings. The bill was introduced in order to stop the growing police state that the gay lobby is trying to implement in America. The bill was meant to stop a Christian photographer from being forced to photograph a gay wedding, to stop a Christian bakery owner from being forced to bake and sell a wedding cake for a gay marriage, etc. Why does Beck think that it's "ugly" for a Christian photographer to not want to photograph a gay wedding?
 
I realize that Beck and the other establishment gate keepers (Hannity, Levin, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Savage etc.) say some good things every once in a while, but its difficult for me to put aside my dislike for these guys, especially when they were very much anti-Ron Paul.

I have to question their sincerity when it comes to topics like freedom and individual liberties.
 
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Uh... freedom is ugly. It's messy and chaotic.... that is what makes it beautiful. It's the tyrants who try to bring 'order' to the masses that destroy anything worth a damn.

jllundqu, you are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
 
Beck is still completely mischaracterizing the bill. The bill wouldn't have allowed a private business owner to deny service to a gay couple who came into his restaurant to eat. The bill simply pertains to gay weddings. The bill was introduced in order to stop the growing police state that the gay lobby is trying to implement in America. The bill was meant to stop a Christian photographer from being forced to photograph a gay wedding, to stop a Christian bakery owner from being forced to bake and sell a wedding cake for a gay marriage, etc. Why does Beck think that it's "ugly" for a Christian photographer to not want to photograph a gay wedding?

Because if you do not embrace and love all things homosexual, you are an ugly, mean, horrible person...probably channeling Hitler, to boot.
 

Sometimes free people do ignorant things. Sometimes they do self-destructive things. Sometimes they do vulgar things. Sometimes they hurt other people's feelings. A real advocate of freedom knows that this is one of the prices of freedom and must be allowed. BUT if you are trying to PROMOTE freedom, your motto should not be "With Liberty you get to do ignorant, self-destructive, vulgar, mean things!!!! Go Liberty!!!"

But that is what Arizona Republicans did - the proposed law would not have advanced freedom one single step but it made Republicans look like bigots because millions of people think it is ignorant and mean to discriminate against gay people. And many people who are opposed to gay marriage and think male homosexuality is kinda gross at best, STILL think the Arizona bill was obnoxious. It was a purely political move designed to appeal to a small minority and ended up offending millions and making Arizona Republicans look like assholes.

As an Arizonan I wish it had never been passed. And even though it was vetoed, the damage is done. Idiots.
 
BTW as an arizonan I was against this bill and glad Brewer killed it

Same here. It was a stupid bill and in reality this has nothing to do with 'Freedom of Religion'. What they should be affirming is that people have an inherent right to freedom of association, regardless of whatever the basis for that association. As an atheist, I was outraged they wanted to leave me out....
 
Sometimes free people do ignorant things. Sometimes they do self-destructive things. Sometimes they do vulgar things. Sometimes they hurt other people's feelings. A real advocate of freedom knows that this is one of the prices of freedom and must be allowed. BUT if you are trying to PROMOTE freedom, your motto should not be "With Liberty you get to do ignorant, self-destructive, vulgar, mean things!!!! Go Liberty!!!"

But that is what Arizona Republicans did - the proposed law would not have advanced freedom one single step but it made Republicans look like bigots because millions of people think it is ignorant and mean to discriminate against gay people. And many people who are opposed to gay marriage and think male homosexuality is kinda gross at best, STILL think the Arizona bill was obnoxious. It was a purely political move designed to appeal to a small minority and ended up offending millions and making Arizona Republicans look like assholes.

As an Arizonan I wish it had never been passed. And even though it was vetoed, the damage is done. Idiots.

Question. Is what Traditional Conservative said about what the bill did, true? Because if it is, it would seem to me that the bill in fact would promote liberty, in that businesses would be free to pick and choose who they did business with? Shouldn't they be able to?

Beck is still completely mischaracterizing the bill. The bill wouldn't have allowed a private business owner to deny service to a gay couple who came into his restaurant to eat. The bill simply pertains to gay weddings. The bill was introduced in order to stop the growing police state that the gay lobby is trying to implement in America. The bill was meant to stop a Christian photographer from being forced to photograph a gay wedding, to stop a Christian bakery owner from being forced to bake and sell a wedding cake for a gay marriage, etc. Why does Beck think that it's "ugly" for a Christian photographer to not want to photograph a gay wedding?
 
AUh20, maybe you missed what salon was doing, exposing Beck using "cognitive distortions". Using such is a tool implemented by a recommendation of cass sunstein, a supreme court justice, to Obama and his administration to use "cognitive infiltration" of social activist groups online and on the ground.

Salon Goes After Glenn Beck For Saying "Freedom is Ugly" in regard to Proposed Arizona Law

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"Goes right over their heads."

"Freedom is Ugly" uses "labeling" to create a "generalization" that might cause "all or nothing thinking" relating to other Americans that are simply trying to defend the constitution and is an action intended to divide Americans.
 
Glenn Beck is of course right, as usual. Can't believe some 'libertarians' are against religious freedom.
 
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