S----- going down. Top of Drudge.

[osan]

This. It is not so much that China loves NK but they fear a huge influx of refugees if NK either actually goes to war or if the government fails.

I am not convinced of this. China has what, about 1.4 billion people? Another million or ten would make no difference to them at all.

This is strictly about the strategic politics of the region.

 

[Barrex]

What brand of news do you listen to.. Rupert Murdoch's? Propaganda is all around and the variety of reports are all the same or rather, have the same reason for being written and worded the way they are.

Start reading some of german and European newspapers. Then start comparing. You will find objective ones your self. If not you will at least have enough facts to form your own opinion.

And I am supposed to believe this country has EMP technology that can disable the lower 48 states?

I believe you are talking abou crappy remake of Red Dawn and not real world.

And for the record, I am tired of paying taxes so we can provide Kim Jong Un with free boat expos and aerial acrobatics shows. I didn't want the damn B-2 in the first place, the expensive, useless, piece of shit. It was bought and sold around the time I was born. ASonofLiberty asked a very good question in another thread. Do you carry blame for the Ustaše?

No. I wasnt alive then... but if I was and I was helping them I would have been. Same goes for you. You fund it (war machine, empire) and you reap benefits of it.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

No. I wasnt alive then... but if I was and I was helping them I would have been. Same goes for you. You fund it (war machine, empire) and you reap benefits of it.

I wasn't alive when the petrodollar was established.

Croatia has contributed troops to the NATO-led mission in Afghanistan

Are you willing to accept blame now? You are a member of NATO and have helped kill the Afghani people.

As of April 2011 the Croatian military had 120 members stationed in foreign countries as part of United Nations-led international peacekeeping forces, including 95 serving as part of the UNDOF in the Golan Heights.[123] As of 2011 an additional 350 troops serve as part of the NATO-led ISAF force in Afghanistan and another 20 with the KFOR in Kosovo.[124][125]

Croatia also has a significant military industry sector which exported around US$120 million worth of military equipment and armament in 2010.[126] Croatian-made weapons and vehicles used by CAF include the standard sidearm HS2000 manufactured by HS Produkt and the M-84D battle tank designed by the Đuro Đaković factory. Uniforms and helmets worn by CAF soldiers are also locally produced and successfully marketed to other countries.[126]

You are a puppet for imperialism and you reap the benefits.


You have no moral superiority over me. Though you can continue preaching from your awfully high horse.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Start reading some of german and European newspapers. Then start comparing. You will find objective ones your self. If not you will at least have enough facts to form your own opinion.

I read a variety of newspapers as is. Common sense that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is a comfortable man helps me form the rest of my opinion.

I believe you are talking abou crappy remake of Red Dawn and not real world.

Lmao worse than even that. See for yourself.





And this country supposedly has an EMP that can disable the lower 48?

Must have worked flawlessly lmao.

 

[Barrex]

LOL At that rocket in that video. It is all wrong and no one believes that. It is too round at the top! it need to be pointy. round is not scary! Pointy is scary. This will put a smile on the faces of the enemy. They will think it's a huge robot dildo flying towards them.


Still dont approve or like US provocations.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

LOL At that rocket in that video. It is all wrong and no one believes that. It is too round at the top! it need to be pointy. round is not scary! Pointy is scary. This will put a smile on the faces of the enemy. They will think it's a huge robot dildo flying towards them.

Lol is that not the funniest piece of propaganda ever? The animation is so shitty that it cracks me up everytime.

Still dont approve or like US provocations.

Me neither.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

All to the tune of "We Are the World"... How sweet...

 

[nbruno322]

Why does China still support North Korea? Do they feel like North Korea is their retarded little brother or something?

Because North Korea acts a buffer state for them.

 

[Zippyjuan]

China on North Korea:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/opinion/lind-north-korea

CNN) -- North Korea, China's longtime ally, has vexed Beijing for years with its rocket launches, nuclear tests, kidnapping of Chinese fishermen and other erratic behavior. Yet, Beijing has run interference at the United Nations to temper punishments against Pyongyang, and has even helped Pyongyang circumvent sanctions.

In the wake of North Korea's third nuclear test in February, its reckless threats to strike the United States, and now -- its decision to scrap the armistice that ended the Korean War -- has China finally had enough?

Beijing signed on to sanctions that, in the words of Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, will "bite and bite hard." China's ambassador to the U.N. declared Beijing's commitment to "safeguarding peace and stability on the Korean peninsula."



Jennifer Lind

One shouldn't exaggerate the significance of these recent developments. After all, in the U.N. negotiations over sanctions -- this time as before -- the Chinese have consistently played the role of watering down the degree of punishment imposed against Pyongyang. And in the past Chinese firms have helped North Koreans evade sanctions. It remains to be seen whether Beijing intends to enforce the new measures.

As rhetoric heats up, North Koreans ready to 'rain bullets on the enemy'

Beijing also has good reasons that continue to make it reluctant to crack down on its unruly ally. The Chinese perceive that they have a powerful interest in maintaining the status quo. As hard as it is to live with North Korea, Beijing fears it may be harder to live without it.

The Chinese worry that coming down hard on Pyongyang, by cutting off their vital oil or food exports, could trigger a collapse of the North Korean government or other political instability on the peninsula. Beijing's nightmares include a loose nukes problem and a humanitarian disaster.

Beijing also has fears about the effects of a North Korean collapse on the strategic balance in East Asia. If North Korea collapsed and the two Koreas unified, China might find astride its border a unified, U.S.-aligned Korea hosting American troops.

Chinese analysts also commonly argue that North Korea serves as an important distraction for the U.S. military, which might otherwise train its focus on defending Taiwan.

Thus, despite the nuisance that North Korea regularly makes of itself, for all these reasons, it would be sorely missed by Beijing.

But the days of "lips and teeth" (Mao Zedong's's famous statement about the closeness of Sino-North Korean relations) are clearly over. Chinese scholars and analysts increasingly express open frustration with Pyongyang's behavior. In the wake of North Korean piracy against Chinese fishermen, Chinese microblogs overflowed with outrage.

Most recently, in a meeting of an advisory group to the Chinese government -- the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference -- participants openly debated the question: whether to "keep or dump" North Korea?

The two countries have evolved from vitriolic BFFs to East Asia's odd couple. When China and North Korea formed their alliance, the countries were both poor, weak, resentful, isolated, and the target of cold-war containment by the United States and its allies.

While North Korea is still that country, China is emphatically not. China's remarkable four decades of economic reform and growth have catapulted it to wealth and power -- China is a global power, with global interests. China has a deep stake in maintaining stability in order to sustain its pathway to prosperity.

China's relationship with the United States can be tense. But quite unlike in the days of Mao, the two countries are vital trade partners that share a vast array of ties and often overlapping interests.

A look at North Korea's escalating rhetoric

Beijing also values its relationship with South Korea, which Pyongyang's provocations seriously jeopardize. Booming trade flows, warm political relations, and deeply intertwined ties have created a relationship that makes it increasingly awkward for Beijing to look away when North Korea murders South Koreans as it did in 2010 (with the sinking of the South Korean vessel Cheonan that killed 46 sailors, and when it shelled Yonpyeong Island).

China is a great power that is increasingly concerned with its standing in the world, and with cultivating "soft power." Beijing's support for North Korea's ruthless, bloody regime -- that attacks its neighbors, and brutalizes its people at home -- only draws attention to China's own human rights failings, and undermines China's soft power.

Because the specter of North Korea's collapse could potentially destabilize the Korea peninsula, Beijing may continue to shield Pyongyang. But the two countries' increasingly divergent interests suggest that China's dissatisfaction with North Korea is only likely to grow.

 

[beaven]

China being on N. Korea's borders mean possibly two things:
1. Stop refugees from any military action.
2. Invasion force into N. Korea.

Korea is the historical invasion rout into China so China is naturally sensitive to any nation being in Korea. The US may be working on a strategy whereby China invades N. Korea so that other nations don't have to. But they need a good line to sell that action on it. Nobody really wants N. Korea. The place is a mess. But I think everyone can agree that the leadership is a threat to peace and must go. China would certainly prefer to be the troops on the ground over American military.

 

[KingNothing]

China wants to protect its border, and intimidate North Korea in order to maintain peace. Now that China has something to lose, holding the status-quo is important to them. As I said before, North Korea has no ally here. They can try to hold the world hostage for a payday, but they have absolutely no leverage this time. My suspicion is that we'll agree to lighten the sanctions and give their leader some face-saving scrap that he can play off as a victory to his brain-washed populace in return for toned-down rhetoric.

In a year or three, we'll repeat this charade.

 

[jllundqu]

China is just posting up on its border with NK, not preparing for conflict with the US.

 

[jllundqu]

In a year or three, we'll repeat this charade.

I suspect it will only be approx 6 months... tops, before we rinse/repeat.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Granted there is a new ruler but in the past, NK has basically been a spoiled child. They throw a tantrum (usually in winter) and if they promise not to do it again, they are given a lollypop (more aid) if they promise not to do it again. They are not spanked and sent back to their room. So why shouldn't they keep acting up? It works for them.

 

[69360]

Top of drudge right now AFP is reporting NK army has approval for nuke attack on US.

NK is really backing themselves into a corner. Either they really have the rumored super EMP orbiting up there or ready to launch or not. It's time for them to shit or get off the pot already.

 

[Zippyjuan]

They don't have capabilty to strike the US unless they load it on an airplane and fly it over.

 

[Barrex]

They don't have capabilty to strike the US unless they load it on an airplane and fly it over.

They have submarines and 1000+ aircrafts...

 

[kcchiefs6465]

They have submarines and 1000+ aircrafts...

And orbital EMPs and unicorns.

 

[Barrex]

And orbital EMPs and unicorns.

U funny. Facts: They have largest submarine fleet on the world, largest artillery in the world and they do have 1000+ aircrafts. There is also chemical and nuclear weapons.


Speculation: Orbital EMP is not on that list. Unicorns are probably horses with glued pipes on their foreheads.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

No. I wasnt alive then... but if I was and I was helping them I would have been. Same goes for you. You fund it (war machine, empire) and you reap benefits of it.

What a cop out. You're Croatian; you reap the benefits of the advantage forged by those who came before you. They did the dirty work to secure your position in life today. Who knows how many Serbs and Bosnians would be alive today competing with you if it wasn't for your Ustashi forebears.

Isn't that how it works?

You were supposed to start a separate thread where you explained your bullshit collectivist theories. You didn't. You couldn't even answer for yourself in the thread in GP.

You're not a Croatian. You're an individual who happened to be born when and where you were. Someone drew a line around the piece of ground you happened to be born on, slapped a fee on your life and you're supposed to be responsible for the Ustashi? Of course not. No more than we "Americans" are responsible for this empire. Oh, maybe some of "us" are. But you won't find very many of those types around here.

So, for the third time, take your garbage collectivist ideas and stuff them.