Rush Limbaugh: Rand Paul upset the power structure. Neo cons are paranoid

[itshappening]

Rush is the biggest radio host in the country.

he is directly plugged into people like Kristol and that's where he's getting the talking points from.

Why is he going on about neocons? where did that come from ?

This is a way for Rush to convey to his audience that Rand is a non-interventionist and that he's different on foreign policy. That "some say " he doesn't like drones period so "some say" he doesn't want to go after Islamic terrorists with the implication being Rand won't keep America safe.

The problem is Rush is getting calls from his regulars who are veterans and are enthusiastically supporting Rand ! He's in a real tough spot and so are his neocon handlers.

Remember Rush carried water directly for Bush and Rove big time for 8 YEARS. He's still plugged in and the same handlers are around him and they're trying to figure out how to deal with Rand who is just too damn smart to engage in a debate about the war on terror and sound anything less than tough on terrorists but with reasonable restrictions like the bill of rights and congress declaring the war which basically means it all has to end because you can't logically apply the bill of rights in a drone war and Congress can't declare war on "terrorists"

 

[itshappening]

Basically you have to remember that when Rand goes on these shows he's engaging in games on multiple levels.

It's so good you don't notice it but it's very apparent. Rush and the hosts know exactly what he's doing when he does this. Rand sounds like them and when he says something it's hard to disagree with them.

Rand is so damn good at playing them.

They know they're being played but they have to give in because of time constraints obviously. They don't get hours with Rand to pick him apart, it's 10-15 mins and Rand shoots out so many points and bamboozles them it's difficult for them to disagree with any of it.

I laugh every time. it's fun to listen. They know they're being played but they can't do anything about it. They hate Ron but Rand is exactly his father but just doesn't sound like him and doesn't argue with them, he laughs a lot and makes points you can't disagree with. He also charms them. and if they say something stupid and hawkish he doesn't agree with he will change the subject "the interesting thing is... ".

It's remarkable and funny.

He's the best i've ever heard at playing these clowns and it's so smooth most people will NEVER notice it.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

We all have our different "important issues" and mine is civil liberties. And I don't care for the term "hardcore liberal" either because that is a word that Fox News likes to use on people who they don't like. But I would say that Wyden is an honest man even if I don't agree with most of the things he does. Lindsey Graham on the other hand is the scum of the earth and I would rather have Wyden over him any day of the week, I don't care if his "JBS" score is higher then Wyden's.

Wyden voted NO on NDAA. Voted NO on the Patriot Act. Yet because of his "JBS" score is less then Grahams, you would rather have a Senator who feels the government has the power to indefinitely detain Americans without a trial...

I look at things across the board, and not solely on one or two votes. While Wyden's votes on NDAA and Patriot Act are good in my book, he also has voted repeatedly for a massive expansion of government when it comes to other issues. So while he may have made two votes I agree with he made 100's that I disagree with. So, I don't have an "important issues" that I evaluate a legislator on, I look at their entire history of votes.

Again, I am not a fan of Graham in the least, and will work my ass off here for whomever primaries him, but when it comes to the hundred or so votes that will be made in this session Graham will vote the way I would have voted far more times that Wyden will.

In regards to the JBS scores, they are merely a snapshot and quick reference (as are the Freedomworks scores). If you want to go vote for vote on all bills, that info is available, just not conveniently complied as it is via these scorecards.

 

[mosquitobite]

Basically you have to remember that when Rand goes on these shows he's engaging in games on multiple levels.

It's so good you don't notice it but it's very apparent. Rush and the hosts know exactly what he's doing when he does this. Rand sounds like them and when he says something it's hard to disagree with them.

Rand is so damn good at playing them.

They know they're being played but they have to give in because of time constraints obviously. They don't get hours with Rand to pick him apart, it's 10-15 mins and Rand shoots out so many points and bamboozles them it's difficult for them to disagree with any of it.

I laugh every time. it's fun to listen. They know they're being played but they can't do anything about it. They hate Ron but Rand is exactly his father but just doesn't sound like him and doesn't argue with them, he laughs a lot and makes points you can't disagree with. He also charms them. and if they say something stupid and hawkish he doesn't agree with he will change the subject "the interesting thing is... ".

It's remarkable and funny.

He's the best i've ever heard at playing these clowns and it's so smooth most people will NEVER notice it.

Me too!

 

[compromise]

I look at things across the board, and not solely on one or two votes. While Wyden's votes on NDAA and Patriot Act are good in my book, he also has voted repeatedly for a massive expansion of government when it comes to other issues. So while he may have made two votes I agree with he made 100's that I disagree with. So, I don't have an "important issues" that I evaluate a legislator on, I look at their entire history of votes.

Again, I am not a fan of Graham in the least, and will work my ass off here for whomever primaries him, but when it comes to the hundred or so votes that will be made in this session Graham will vote the way I would have voted far more times that Wyden will.

In regards to the JBS scores, they are merely a snapshot and quick reference (as are the Freedomworks scores). If you want to go vote for vote on all bills, that info is available, just not conveniently complied as it is via these scorecards.

Did you vote Graham in '08? The Dem was pretty good then.

Normally I vote Republican, but if Graham, Ayotte or McCain were my Senator, I'd definitely vote for a Libertarian or Constitution party candidate.

 

[Christian Liberty]

What is JBS?

I think some issues matter more than others. Someone could agree with me on almost everything, but if they were a warhawk, I would refuse to vote for them. I wouldn't say the same thing about someone who's "One bad position" was not supporting legalization of drugs. That issue isn't as important to me as the war issue.

anti-war and pro-Bill of Rights are musts for me. Graham epically fails. If his opponent was as bad or worse, I'd vote third party.

If we all vote third party instead of neocons, even if the Democrats win, it forces them to pay attention to us. But if we just vote for the neocons, we fail.

 

[rubioneocon]

Basically you have to remember that when Rand goes on these shows he's engaging in games on multiple levels.
. . .

Great way to put it . . .

this is gonna be so different than 2008 and 2012 . . .

 

[supermario21]

What is JBS?

I think some issues matter more than others. Someone could agree with me on almost everything, but if they were a warhawk, I would refuse to vote for them. I wouldn't say the same thing about someone who's "One bad position" was not supporting legalization of drugs. That issue isn't as important to me as the war issue.

anti-war and pro-Bill of Rights are musts for me. Graham epically fails. If his opponent was as bad or worse, I'd vote third party.

If we all vote third party instead of neocons, even if the Democrats win, it forces them to pay attention to us. But if we just vote for the neocons, we fail.

JBS is the John Birch Society, which is very limited government/paleoconservative.

 

[itshappening]

Great way to put it . . .

this is gonna be so different than 2008 and 2012 . . .

Don't underestimate Rand. He's so smart. Top 5% in his Duke medical class.

This is why the neocons and war hawks are in blind panic. They just dont know how to deal with him.

Once you accept that a politician and bureaucracy can't label someone an enemy combatant without any due process then it undermines the entire War on Terror and perpetual war machine.

Rand will tell them that in a time of war a president does have broad authority to win that war including civilian murder if necessary. I would never support it but at least the whole Congress has to vote on it and therefore the whole country gives it is blessing LIKE it did in WW2. The whole of America is complicit in that nuclear holocaust in Japan and that generation has blood on its hands.

But Congress hasn't declared war for 60 years so it's unlikely to happen therefore everyone gets due process and that means no drone war and no extra judicial murders beyond dealing with combatants under the AUMF.

I think Jack Hunter who is a radio host himself must have schooled Rand in this duplicitous art of dealing with the war hawks on radio and you have to admit, he's damn good at it!

 

[Christian Liberty]

JBS is the John Birch Society, which is very limited government/paleoconservative.

I think they're grading on too much of a curve if they give someone who is pro-indefinite detention, pro-warrantless wiretaps, pro-warrantless drone strikes, pro-war on terror, pro wars in the Middle East as being 87% good...

 

[KingNothing]

Rush is the biggest radio host in the country.

he is directly plugged into people like Kristol and that's where he's getting the talking points from.

Why is he going on about neocons? where did that come from ?

This is a way for Rush to convey to his audience that Rand is a non-interventionist and that he's different on foreign policy. That "some say " he doesn't like drones period so "some say" he doesn't want to go after Islamic terrorists with the implication being Rand won't keep America safe.

The problem is Rush is getting calls from his regulars who are veterans and are enthusiastically supporting Rand ! He's in a real tough spot and so are his neocon handlers.

Remember Rush carried water directly for Bush and Rove big time for 8 YEARS. He's still plugged in and the same handlers are around him and they're trying to figure out how to deal with Rand who is just too damn smart to engage in a debate about the war on terror and sound anything less than tough on terrorists but with reasonable restrictions like the bill of rights and congress declaring the war which basically means it all has to end because you can't logically apply the bill of rights in a drone war and Congress can't declare war on "terrorists"

I think you're creating a grand conspiracy when there's nothing more than a man who positions himself to benefit from whichever direction the country is headed. If Rush could make money saying that everyone should own a drone, he would. If Rush could make money saying that no one should own a drone, he would. Rush goes where the crowd, and therefore the money, goes.

 

[itshappening]

The other point is the AUMF gives the president the "authority" to use military force against 'terrorists'.

The point is if Rand was president he could just not use the authority and on the day he's sworn in can start bringing home troops from all over the place.

This is what panics the neocons, war hawks and defense people but Rand is never going to go on their show and say "i'm not going to prosecute the war on terror", he'll remind them that he supports going after terrorists but he doesn't need to be explicit. You can leave a navy ship somewhere and claim that's your way of dealing with terrorism rather than having tens of thousands of troops and hundreds of bases and drone strikes.

 

[itshappening]

I think you're creating a grand conspiracy when there's nothing more than a man who positions himself to benefit from whichever direction the country is headed. If Rush could make money saying that everyone should own a drone, he would. If Rush could make money saying that no one should own a drone, he would. Rush goes where the crowd, and therefore the money, goes.

I think your being naive if you don't think the biggest radio host in the country has statist handlers. Rush absolutely does and they're very controlling of the 'allowable opinion' on that show but Rand is able to break through it by getting attention and then by being duplicitous in his smart way he deals with them where you can't disagree with the Bill of rights and the founding documents, that's just not America man!

I don't think before this week Rush has discussed Rand much even after his big Tea party win in 2010, certainly has more than he ever discussed Ron who he just ignored completely but to have him on the show and monologue about him is a massive deal and shows you that Rand has broken through the statist handlers who are now reverting to other methods to trying to deal with what they consider Rand's dangerous message.

 

[itshappening]

Rush alluded to his handlers on the show when he said he was getting calls from Republicans saying be careful of what names your saying are standing with Rand and who isn't.

That tells you and EXPOSES that the GOP has a hotline to Rush and they can call him up and push talking points and give him orders. In return they have made him the biggest host in the country and have got him on tons of stations.

It's so blindingly obvious and was during the Bush years.

Rand has managed to break the matrix in a big way. He's an elected U.S Senator so they can't smear him like they did to his dad who was "just" a congressman.

 

[itshappening]

Yeah, to be honest there are probably very few actual neocons. Mostly Weekly Standard types like Kristol, Hayes, etc. The key is to look for a liberal domestic policy. Kristol if you recall was the first Republican to instantly call for higher taxes to avert the fiscal cliff/sequester fake disaster and said the sequester would be devastating. So McCain, Graham, maybe a Rubio, but he's really just a dumbass hawk.

The people who control Rush are high up in the GOP. Rush even admits it on the radio when he says he gets calls from the GOP. The problem is Rand has infiltrated the upper echelons of the party. He's McConnell's buddy and Tea Party shield. Even if McConnell doesn't agree with Rand on much he's going to give him a seat at the table (on the foreign relations committee no less) and play it smart because he needs that shield.

The people at the top of the GOP are in the pockets of defense lobbyists like Lockheed, Raytheon etc. These people keep the dollars flowing for projects like the 1.5 trillion F35 which is a complete failure. They ARE Neocons and fund Kristol and his projects which agitate for more war and ever higher defense spending.

Remember DC is a racket and nearly every congressman is bought off but these politicians still have self-interest so McConnell is not going to work against Rand. It's impossible for him to do so and not lose standing in Kentucky and smooth what is going to be an important election campaign to him (and probably his last). McConnell gave that seat on the foreign relations committee to Rand over the objections of senior members of his own caucus and probably a lot of lobbyists and the likes of Kristol. For Mitch McConnell self-preservation and his 2014 election is more important than swimming against the tide and listening to people like McCain.

 

[compromise]

Huh? What's up with all the wacky conspiracy theories?

Rush knows what his listeners want to hear and tailors his show accordingly. There is no grand conspiracy - the GOP merely reflect popular opinion just as Rush does, so their messages are similar.

 

[itshappening]

Huh? What's up with all the wacky conspiracy theories?

Rush knows what his listeners want to hear and tailors his show accordingly. There is no grand conspiracy - the GOP merely reflect popular opinion just as Rush does, so their messages are similar.

There is no conspiracy. Rush admits the GOP have a hotline to his show and call his producers to push talking points. He admits it on air. I don't know how it can be any more obvious than that.

 

[KingNothing]

I think your being naive if you don't think the biggest radio host in the country has statist handlers. Rush absolutely does and they're very controlling of the 'allowable opinion' on that show ...!

Have any proof? Any at all? What would the ever mysterious "THEY" do to him if he said something that was not an "allowable opinion" --- would they have him fired? Thrown off the air? Arrested and sent to Gitmo? Droned?

 

[itshappening]

Have any proof? Any at all?

Rush says the GOP calls him. He says it on air. They have his number of the producer and they can push talking points and guests directly to him. Nobody else has that number. You try calling Rush and see what happens. You have to get and passed a screener and such.

If you have a book to promote try calling Rush and asking if you can go on his show. They will laugh at you. Who are you? You're not the guy at GOP HQ so why should I listen to you? How did you get this number?

The fact is Rush co-ordinates his show directly with the GOP who have a special phone number to call to speak directly to his producer (I doubt Rush bothers talking to himself and probably receives a script a few hours before the show). This is undeniable. That number is not available to you or me. If we want to contact Rush it is very difficult. He probably gets thousands of emails a day from the little guy like you and me and doesn't even look at them but he will look at the ones from the GOP and he will take THEIR calls even if he doesn't take yours.

In return for this "access" the GOP help get Rush on hundreds of stations using their political clout across America. Its made him very famous and rich. That's why he was a Bush apologist.

 

[Carlybee]

Rush meets with the GOP and with GOP leaders...I've heard him say so. He is just trying to ride the TP tide. I remember all his pro war stances and I remember when he was trying to get people to invest in the dinar...now he sells teabags.