cajuncocoa
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yes.Should i keep giving news?
yes.Should i keep giving news?
Immediately.
We have to make sure they know it, imho. the campaign is dead wrong. we can't let them get away with this or it will never end. But we can talk about it after Tampa.
If you accept this thinking then there is absolutely zero hope in anything...why bother every voting?
They're going to keep changing the rules no matter how many "gains" people here think we've made. And it won't end here. If more "gains" are made by 2016, they will only raise the bar higher to freeze us out again.
True that.
When you try to use the rules against the rule makers, you'll never win. They already tried changing the minimum plurality count to 10, but the motion failed by 1 vote. Just take a look at the last Reality Check video on the homepage...
I hate to be the bearer of bad news (and get called a troll again by BTL2012 was our best shot. And they came down with the fist of tyranny on us, and the complicit media ignored it. If you think the Libertarian party has any chance of winning anything against the two party system, you're out of your mind. The same type of people that control the GOP control the machinations of the general elections too. If we were ever big enough, they'd just make sure technicalities kept us off the ballot.
They're going to keep changing the rules no matter how many "gains" people here think we've made. And it won't end here. If more "gains" are made by 2016, they will only raise the bar higher to freeze us out again.
You're wrong.
For the 500th time, the instant we bring more people into the party than they do, we will win. The ONLY reason they can make these is changes is that there are more of them than us. That's it. That's party politics in a nutshell.
Ron Paul won 10% of the GOP vote in 2012. So assume that means 1 out of 10 Republicans are Ron Paul supporters. With these numbers, what do you expect? The only thing we have to do to take control is to bring in more people. That's all there is to it.
"But AJ, they will cheat us no matter what!"
Wrong. They can only get away with cheating if we don't have enough people. Once we have enough people, then WE will be the ones serving on ALL the rules committees. Once we have enough people, they flat out won't be able to change the rules anymore. The rules will be ours.
The naive attitude of one RPF member.You're wrong.
For the 500th time, the instant we bring more people into the party than they do, we will win. The ONLY reason they can make these is changes is that there are more of them than us. That's it. That's party politics in a nutshell.
Ron Paul won 10% of the GOP vote in 2012. So assume that means 1 out of 10 Republicans are Ron Paul supporters. With these numbers, what do you expect? The only thing we have to do to take control is to bring in more people. That's all there is to it.
"But AJ, they will cheat us no matter what!"
Wrong. They can only get away with cheating if we don't have enough people. Once we have enough people, then WE will be the ones serving on ALL the rules committees. Once we have enough people, they flat out won't be able to change the rules anymore. The rules will be ours.
Does it make sense at this point to take over the Libertarian party and to then use the grassroots to start winning elections? The R's have wised up to what we were doing and are circling the wagons.
The naive attitude of one RPF member.
Does it make sense at this point to take over the Libertarian party and to then use the grassroots to start winning elections? The R's have wised up to what we were doing and are circling the wagons.
NO the libertarian party will never get elected. This proves we need to be more united and organized in the future. We did not have enough people on the rules committee. We are probably out numbered 10:1.
As opposed to your ideology of "taking over" the GOP while they change the rules to keep that very thing from happening. The world as you see it today is not how it will be tomorrow. There are more registered independents than registered Democrats or Republicans. If you continue believing Team Red will magically change one day and accept you. Good Luck, I sincerely wish you the best.
I rather go after the independent then try and change the mentality of Team Red or Team Blue. Your logical fallacies astound me.
Ask Pat Buchannan how far he has gotten with that whole "social conservative" thing? The GOP has been paying lip service to the evangelicals for over 2 decades now and nothing has changed. Even when George Bush was president and had both the house and the senate, nothing happened for them.
You of course believe things will magically change just because you want it to? Look at the writing on the wall. This movement staying in the GOP will result in one of 2 things, the death of the movement due to the GOP changing it's rules at every turn. Or the movement gets co-opted which means they will say they are for liberty but not do a damn thing about it. Just ask the evangelicals how their attempt at "taking over" the GOP is going lol
They're going to keep changing the rules no matter how many "gains" people here think we've made. And it won't end here. If more "gains" are made by 2016, they will only raise the bar higher to freeze us out again.