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[driller80545]

I can't see how affecting the platform at the convention will accomplish anything. These lying GOP regulars have been preaching limited gov and less spending/taxes for years and you see what you get. And thats not counting their American Empire fantasies. I just don't see the point.

 

[sailingaway]

I can't see how affecting the platform at the convention will accomplish anything. These lying GOP regulars have been preaching limited gov and less spending/taxes for years and you see what you get. And thats not counting their American Empire fantasies. I just don't see the point.

influencing the platform is what the media says Ron wants to do. Why are we listening to them?

 

[revned]

Media is good at putting words in people's mouths. I'm just glad Ron is all-around conservative, even in his speech, and doesn't get taken out of context too much. That is key to his success in my opinion.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

influencing the platform is what the media says Ron wants to do. Why are we listening to them?

^^^ THIS ^^^

Stop watching the "newz".... focus on the grassroots campaign....we can still win this....but not if we don't try.
The media is banging crap into the heads of the sheep, don't let yourselves be re-sheepized

 

[tbone717]

influencing the platform is what the media says Ron wants to do. Why are we listening to them?

Actually the campaign stated that was their secondary goal.

We have two scenarios before us. One, Paul starts winning the majority of the remaining contests and somehow forces a brokered convention. Two, we have delegates at the convention (bound to Paul, pledged to Paul or bound to another candidate) and those delegates work for influence in the platform.

One is a possibility, albeit a very small one, and relies on the candidate and campaign being able to transform the entire narrative of the race. The second is a certainty, as in there will be a convention and Paul will have supporters there. Whether or not they choose to do anything with their involvement in the convention is yet to be seen.

 

[sailingaway]

The chances of an "open convention" are slim. That's probably not going to happen, but what is LIKELY to happen are somewhere between 300-700 delegates and alternates who are anti-Romney. They could be Paul, Santorum grass-roots, and Gingrich grass-roots. While the convention isn't "open", it certainly will not be unified, and there would be too many delegates for the RNC to put a muzzle on all dissent like in 2008.

If the RNC were to do something silly, a walkout of that many people is noticeable. Romney saying something against the "libertarian wing", boos could be heard.

The RNC is going to have to tread very lightly here. I would not at all be shocked if Paul is given a hour on Monday evening.

That's not winning, obviously, but being in a position to scare the RNC is a lot better than it was in 2008, and they're going to have to give on some platform planks and possibly on RULES, which can only help in 2016 and 2020.

If Ron has enough states to be nominated at the convention, and he ISN'T given a prime time slot, that would be more noticable than if he is.

 

[sailingaway]

Actually the campaign stated that was their secondary goal.

We have two scenarios before us. One, Paul starts winning the majority of the remaining contests and somehow forces a brokered convention. Two, we have delegates at the convention (bound to Paul, pledged to Paul or bound to another candidate) and those delegates work for influence in the platform.

One is a possibility, albeit a very small one, and relies on the candidate and campaign being able to transform the entire narrative of the race. The second is a certainty, as in there will be a convention and Paul will have supporters there. Whether or not they choose to do anything with their involvement in the convention is yet to be seen.

taking over the party apparatus, is what Benton said is the secondary goal. Sure, the platform is in there, but it isn't the value part.

Changing the party platform is sort of the flag you raise to show you took the fort.

 

[palm]

Yeah, and it ain't over yet either.

lol

 

[DanConway]

Actually the campaign stated that was their secondary goal.

We have two scenarios before us. One, Paul starts winning the majority of the remaining contests and somehow forces a brokered convention. Two, we have delegates at the convention (bound to Paul, pledged to Paul or bound to another candidate) and those delegates work for influence in the platform.

One is a possibility, albeit a very small one, and relies on the candidate and campaign being able to transform the entire narrative of the race. The second is a certainty, as in there will be a convention and Paul will have supporters there. Whether or not they choose to do anything with their involvement in the convention is yet to be seen.

The fact is, these require the same actions. Every delegate we get there increases our influence.

 

[MisfitToy]

Romney is not going to beat Obama. I voted for Ron Paul at 19:10 last night and was the 10th person to vote all day. Seemed to be the same in all of NY. People are not coming out for Romney.

Before any fools jump on Ron, remember that Romney is the guy who get's all the media attention and all the GOP promotion and yet he can't draw a crowd or arouse the masses to confidently declare him as the next POTUS. I don't care what the news says a machine tallied, I'm obviously not alone in my observations. I don't know any Republicans here that would vote Mitt. They pretty much resigned that Obama is getting another 4 years.

If Romney gets his gifted nomination and then loses to Obama, expect that a lot of people are going to feel betrayed by the GOP. I don't understand what the GOP is trying to vie for except to hope that all of us are stupid and will accept this bullshit as our democratic process for the next time around.

I truly do hope we pull the masses in CA and TX and everywhere else because it's quite obvious the GOP is throwing this away. We need to take it and we will. This party is absolutely here for the taking.

 

[Wesley]

As far as taking over locally goes...


Read this in the morning paper-


http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/148752335.html

 

[drummergirl]

Have people done the numbers, yet? I saw a few people posting last night who said they were going to tally everything up, but, it appeared that our chances at a contested convention were essentially done after last night's sweep.

Don't listen to the hype; even if Romney had won every delegate yesterday (and he didn't), he'd still be short of 1144

 

[drummergirl]

Romney is not going to beat Obama.

And THAT is what we need to keep in the faces of the GOP regulars. Romney can't win it. He's as inspiring to the republican base as a bowl full of corn mush for breakfast. Right there, that key point, is how we swing old guard votes to Ron Paul. Because Ron Paul can beat Obama; Ron Paul can bring in scores of young, capable campaign workers. He's a real conservative, pro-liberty, pro-limited government, pro-life guy. Ron Paul can pull the independent voters we need to win in November. Willard Mittington Romney III? Not so much.

 

[movingstone]

Don't listen to the hype; even if Romney had won every delegate yesterday (and he didn't), he'd still be short of 1144

I tally the number (an estimate).
Romney 840 need 32% of the remaining delegates from uncommitted and remaining primaries.
Paul 106 need 109% (impossible) of same as above

The percentage for Paul maybe better once Iowa, Maine, and Washington results come in but essentially base on my understanding it is impossible for him to win now.

 

[MisfitToy]

thanks drummer girl and I've wrote it before, just constantly pump a simple idea that no one can argue with:

You want a Republican in office, vote for Ron Paul. You want in Obama is office, vote for Romney.

btw I'm also a girl that plays drums

 

[Ivash]

And THAT is what we need to keep in the faces of the GOP regulars. Romney can't win it. He's as inspiring to the republican base as a bowl full of corn mush for breakfast. Right there, that key point, is how we swing old guard votes to Ron Paul. Because Ron Paul can beat Obama; Ron Paul can bring in scores of young, capable campaign workers. He's a real conservative, pro-liberty, pro-limited government, pro-life guy. Ron Paul can pull the independent voters we need to win in November. Willard Mittington Romney III? Not so much.

The thing is most party regulars will respond with something along the lines of 'How can he be electable if he keeps losing?' (I know he won the Virgin Islands but I don't think a lot of people do).

 

[skyorbit]

What five states.? I know Iowa. What others have we won, or hope to win? Do you have to win five to be on the ballot?

Iowa and MN for sure. Likely Washington and Maine. Not sure what the others our.

Probably Mosourii

 

[tbone717]

The thing is most party regulars will respond with something along the lines of 'How can he be electable if he keeps losing?' (I know he won the Virgin Islands but I don't think a lot of people do).

Actually Paul did not win the Virgin Islands. There was no straw poll or beauty contest in the VI. Voters elected delegates only. Here is the official ballot - http://vigop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Official-Ballot-2012-Caucus.pdf

On the ballot Paul had 6 delegates, Romney had 3, Newt & Santorum each had 2, and 9 were uncommitted. Voters could vote for up to 6 delegates. Paul's six delegates received a total of 112 votes, Romney's 3 delegates received 103 votes. The actual "winner" was "Uncommitted" which received a total of 130 votes. The final results showed that the winners were Romney's 3 delegates, 1 of Paul's delegates and 5 of the uncommitted delegates. http://vigop.com/2012/03/vi-gop-2012-caucus-results-coming-soon/

 

[Ivash]

Actually Paul did not win the Virgin Islands. There was no straw poll or beauty contest in the VI. Voters elected delegates only. Here is the official ballot - http://vigop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Official-Ballot-2012-Caucus.pdf

On the ballot Paul had 6 delegates, Romney had 3, Newt & Santorum each had 2, and 9 were uncommitted. Voters could vote for up to 6 delegates. Paul's six delegates received a total of 112 votes, Romney's 3 delegates received 103 votes. The actual "winner" was "Uncommitted" which received a total of 130 votes. The final results showed that the winners were Romney's 3 delegates, 1 of Paul's delegates and 5 of the uncommitted delegates. http://vigop.com/2012/03/vi-gop-2012-caucus-results-coming-soon/

I only vaguely remember this- aside from PR most territories don't interest me. I'd still consider this a Paul victory, though, if only because his delegates got more votes than the other candidates (non-committed doesn't count).

 

[musicmax]

This is an interesting point to consider. The majority of the GOP is more conservative than Romney, so Paul's delegates along with other delegates can work together on shared issues to shape the platform.

The platform means nothing. The '08 platform committee was co-chaired by Sen. Richard Burr. That platform had strong anti-bailout language. Burr voted for TARP.

The. Platform. Means. NOTHING.