RP needs to replace the amatuers running his campaign

[Hook]

If all the attack ads come completely from outsiders, Paul can keep his distance and not be held liable.

 

[PaleoConservative]

Pat Buchanan didn't beat Bob Dole because of the mysterious third place showing in Arizona. Bob Dole would have dropped out of the race with a bad showing there. Once Pat came in third there, the money started drying up and after second place showing in South Carolina it was all over.

No, Buchanan didn't lose because of his attacks and he certainly isn't anti-semite as his Jewish friends will tell you.

I was part of the Internet Brigade in 96 and he used the internet very well back in the day. Of course, it is nothing compared to Ron Paul's internet support. Which is good for Dr. Paul, he needs a much stronger internet base. Dr. Paul is no Buchanan when it comes to speaking and getting press time. Buchanan was a master at getting media attention in 96 and 92.

I also hope we can get Tancredo out of the race. He reminds me of an Alan Keyes type candidate. Like he drained votes from Pat, so tom takes from from Dr. Paul. The quicker he gets out the better.

I've been frustraited with the HQ staff as well. How many presidential campaigns have these guys run before? However, they were very under staffed and those problems have been taken care of now. I'm sure we'll see a more active effort after the holiday.

 

[PaleoConservative]

myspace

One valid compalint,

I am the only one worried about all the 911 truthers that post on his myspace page? Who is in change of accepting those posts? Mine never make it on, but 911 guys get it on there with regularity?


Who do we need to contact to get those posts off and keep them off?

 

[constituent]

i think that we (the grassroots campaign) need to do everything in our power to set the real campaign up all cush everywhere they go. use our influence in our communities to do all of the normal work well in advance; have the campaign show up and start trying to do their job only to find that the job is taken care of already.

let them take care of their thing... send them positive words of encouragement or leave them alone... we'll do ours.

IMO.

 

[LibertyEagle]

One valid compalint,

I am the only one worried about all the 911 truthers that post on his myspace page? Who is in change of accepting those posts? Mine never make it on, but 911 guys get it on there with regularity?


Who do we need to contact to get those posts off and keep them off?

If you want to pursue this, I would imagine Justine Lam at HQ would have the answer to your question.

 

[R_Harris]

A Semi Defense of Max

I worked on a volunteer basis on Ron's campaign when he ran for US Senate in 1984 against Phil Gramm. I actually escorted him to several events and even sat next to him during the talks given at the Republican State Committee meeting. (He gave a very good speech, got a standing ovation, but Phil Gramm was still the Chosen One of the Party Machine.)

Max makes some very good points, and some of the issues he talks about I saw during the 1984 campaign.

As I am sure all of you are aware of, Ron Paul is not your typical politician. He is an intellectual, which immediately causes 95% of the American populace to go into a blank stare - which I saw in the reactions of people in the stands while watching his speech in Iowa on Saturday (Federal Reserve not in the Constitution? What is this weirdo talking about?)

Frankly, I AM bothered by the fact that he is only registering 2% in the national polls. Campaign experience will tell you that in a national election, you must spend $500,000 for every percentage upward move in the polls if you do not have positive name ID.

It is now August 14, and he basically has 4 1/2 months to move to 25% and become a serious contender. Obviously, given what I said above, there is a lot of organizational, operational, and fundraising work to be done if he is truly going to have a fighting chance by the end of December.

Time IS running out. 4 1/2 months is nothing in a STATEWIDE campaign, let alone a NATIONAL campaign. TV and radio airwaves need to be HAMMERED with ads beginning after Labor Day. He needs to be in IA, NH, SC, and FL almost every minute he can spare starting after Labor Day.

Folks, speaking as a volunteer from a past campaign, I can appreciate the almost superhuman efforts people have put in to this point. But unfortunately, there is only so far that your efforts can reach. It is up to HQ to get solid, HARD HITTING ads out there that point to him and make people who are committed to other candidiates think twice about why they are supporting them. Simple, non-slanderous ads which simply point out that all these guys are of the current status quo system and that nothing materially will change with them HAS to be effectively done in numerous ways. Otherwise, they have no motivation to change.

I will obviously be interested in what happens. But I honestly cannot say that HQ has done an outstanding job to this point - a VERY GOOD job, but unfortunately nothing less than outstanding or superior will propel Ron to victory at this stage. Time is short, and lots of huge obstacles are still out there to overcome.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

what concerns me more than the non-effort in iowa is the weakness of the ads.

REPEAT: If RP does not laaunch blistering attack ads, he will have no chance.

thats the truth. Deal with it.

That is truly your opinion. Not mine. Both are "truth"

In Hawaii we have a very effective way of dealing with people,

"Kill em with Kindness"

My ma just, successfully, used this strategy to deal with a priest who had been a pain for months.

for RP to ATTACK!!!! seems against his nature and just because The Machine uses it, does not mean it is effective or smart. The machine also uses the tactic of "telling lies often enough..."

Nothing wrong with you creating attack ads, and from the success of this forums "We The People" ad, if you do a good job, people will donate.

So what do you think we should do?

 

[Gee]

The ads they ran in Iowa SUCKED!

They really, really did. They sucked bad.

I really wonder what his campaign is doing, when they spend far less than the other candidates but have far more in the bank. I mean, its not like the field in Iowa was populated by a bunch of well-funded candidates. Except for Romney, RP had 4 times as much cash as anyone else at the end of Q2! Maybe they are gearing up for a big push before the primaries? I don't know. I just hope the adds are of a higher quality than the ones run in Iowa.

 

[jpa]

Nothing stopping you, Max, from launching your own "blistering attack ads."


If I had millions dont u think is run my own attack ads? Only HQ can do this but they havent got the balls.

Look, RP may be infallible when it comes to economics and the constitution....but this is about PR (something I happen to do for a living)

EMOTION IS WHAT SELLS....

Where are your ads that you want produced / run? (scripts / storyboards / etc)
Who/what do you do PR for?

 

[SWATH]

Attack ads just give more attention to the person being attacked. There were a lot of attack ads aimed at Bush. Did that make him lose?

Ron Paul doesn't have enough name recognition yet, so any ads should focus on that.

I just had an idea. What if Ron Paul launched smear ads against...Ron Paul, but overly sarcastic. Like "Ron Paul does not want to take care of you, he has consistently fought against a womans right to kill her unborn child, he has voted against expensive government hand outs aimed at giving you a free ride, and has never voted to raise taxes and increase the size and scope of government to keep a close eye on you for your own good....I'm Ron Paul and I approved this message"

I would like to think it wouldn't just go over everyones head and leave them thinking it's an actual smear.

 

[Johnnybags]

Christ No!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The lemmings watching them would not see the sarcasm, the fact that Fox News still has any viewers shows there are too many being spoonfed garbage and they believe it. No sarcasm, please, half the US is on some sort of drug and would think you were serious.

 

[max]

my ads

i want to see an anti-war ad with flag draped coffins, weeping widows, and bush in the background joking about how he cant find wmd's (an actual event caught on film)

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

I think the campaign has done some good and some bad

I thought the Iowa ads were fit for Iowa in the 1950's. People have short attention spans nowadays. It sucks but is true

We'll see where the campaign goes

How about we support them and give them constructive criticism/volunteer efforts rather than just typing some negative attacks

 

[Nefertiti]

I thought the tv ads for Iowa were subpar myself. I didn't like the fact that they had someone singing about Ron Paul in the background, a voice over plus captions on the screen. Too busy and I couldn't follow any one of the 3 because of interference from the others.

 

[constituent]

deadhead-

"constructive criticism/volunteer efforts"

abso f*n lutely!

 

[Original_Intent]

i want to see an anti-war ad with flag draped coffins, weeping widows, and bush in the background joking about how he cant find wmd's (an actual event caught on film)

This has already been done there is an incredible youtube on this. I will see if I can find it.

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o

 

[jeremycobert]

i live in Iowa (cedar rapids) and i didn't like the TV ads either.
i felt the ads should focus more on information about Dr Paul, if you've seen the campaign slim jims, they have a lot of information about him that would appeal to Iowans. information like him never accepting political junkets, never voting to raise taxes etc,etc.

let us get to know him with the first few ads, then lets hear about what he will do.

 

[jeremycobert]

i want to see an anti-war ad with flag draped coffins, weeping widows, and bush in the background joking about how he cant find wmd's (an actual event caught on film)

that is exactly what you dont want to do, especially here in iowa. we are for the most part pretty middle of the road, that type of ad would not work here.

he is not running against Bush! he needs to get the nomination and bring along the republicans not alienate them. exploiting dead soldiers will not work in any way shape of form.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I
I thought the Iowa ads were fit for Iowa in the 1950's.

Just want to point out .... everyone who went to Iowa has commented on Romeny bussing in .... WHO?

WHO?

The people born in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. ('old old old people' is I believe how one of them described it.)

If Ron ran ads that would work in the 1950s, then he was targeting exactly the voter that Mitt was hauling to the event.

So you see, there may have been a sneaky slick method behind what you young whipper snappers see as ... madness.

 

[rodent]

Part of their point is that the ads should not have been last minute. I was disappointed with the feet-dragging over Iowa, but also wonder if it would have done any good to have dumped a couple million into it. Maybe it would have put us in fourth place, but unless you hit second, the press doesn't care.

We've seen some mistakes such as the snafu with Operation Spooner, but that kind of thing can happen on any campaign.

I'd say, let's not worry about HQ. 1) Ron Paul is not going to dump his loyal staff for a slicker team, so we'd waste our time belly-aching over it, and 2) we ARE the shadow campaign. Anything we see them not doing, we can do, with limited exceptions. So we get snubbed by staffers at events because we're not paid members of their clique. WE know who does the real work around here, and WE know who is paying their salary.

IMO, we should learn from the Iowa mistakes and take it all out in New Hampshire. New Hampshire is a far greater, more important battleground than Iowa.

If we lose in a state that has the best license plate in the union, the campaign is dead.