RP needs to replace the amatuers running his campaign

[Dominic]

dont think for a second that an RP supporter and average american boob are the same animal.


we are intellectual and free thinkers...they are sheep. Like it or not, the only way to win sheep is with emotion.

We need an ad with flag draped coffins and Bush joking in the background about we didnt find WMD's....(ever see that video?...disgusting)

Yes, I've seen that video, and I understand what you are saying. Emotion is important. In fact, I agree with you that the ads put out by the campaign don't stir up the emotions until you have applied your mind to the wondrous principles of liberty that saturate them.

So, I think they could do better to draw out more artistically, perhaps with better music, or whatever else, the strong principles and messages that are already there.

But while that is true, I don't think negative emotions that are the result of blatant personal attacks are the way to go. The positive message of life and liberty, I think, strikes at the very core of most Americans and stirs them to something much greater than a negative message can.

 

[max]

Buchanan beat Dole by ATTACKING

Pat Buchanan actually beat Bob Dole in NH because of his hard hitting attack ads.

The only reason why Pat fizzled was because he didnt have the financing network to fight the Dole machine nationally on Super Tuesday. This was pre-Meetup - pre-You Tube days. many folks didnt even have Internet in 1992 and 1996.

Buchanan also came in a close 2nd in NH against a SITTING president (Papa Bush) in 1992, again, by brutal attack ads. For those of you too young to recall, pat B made quite a stir.

His attacks were made all the more efffective by the media's attention to them.

Attack works....of course, the donations need to keep coming in because Super Tuesday decides everything (20 states!)

 

[Hook]

We have so much education to do, I don't see how we have enough time for mud-slinging.

 

[Hook]

Negative attacks are usually from people with no real message themselves

 

[Mort]

The way to win is for people to want to vote for you. You can't win by making everyone else look bad so you are the least bad. You can win that way but the first technique is better I think.

 

[jj111]

Oops how do I delete this post?

 

[ARealConservative]

Just hope we didn't chase them off in Iowa with the "I Smoke Pot and I Vote" signs, and by yelling at the bus riders about war.

That was just one guy and he is the Iowa Director of NORML.

He was also a meetup group member until he pulled that stunt.

 

[MsDoodahs]

If I had millions dont u think is run my own attack ads?

You don't have the money to run them yourself but you want to tell others (the campaign HQ) what they should do with their money?

Sheesh, control freaks bother me.

Only HQ can do this but they havent got the balls.

I am sorely tempted to ... nevermind.

Look, RP may be infallible when it comes to economics and the constitution....but this is about PR (something I happen to do for a living)

EMOTION IS WHAT SELLS....

 

[Dominic]

Pat Buchanan actually beat Bob Dole in NH because of his hard hitting attack ads.

Perhaps it had short term benefits, but in living by the sword he died by it. It was not merely financial shortcomings that got him, it was the anti-semitic attacks and so forth that the other side was hitting him with..

 

[DjLoTi]

I think this thread topic is insulting and counter-productive. Since it's an opinion, and going off topic at that, I think it should be moved to another board. It's really annoying to see this at the top all the time in bold letters.

Then again, I'm a stickler for aesthetics.

 

[Sematary]

pyra..

Meetup groups are a great supplement to the campaign...but do u seriously believe we can make up for RP's unwillingness to attacK?

"nanny state"....what a preposterous statement. I dont have the money to run a good TV attack ad...do you?

That's HQ's responsibility

It is not necessary to "attack" in the sense that I think you are talking about but he could certainly hit on hot button issues with conservative voters as far as Guiliani and Romney are concerned because their backgrounds are northeast liberal.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Part of their point is that the ads should not have been last minute. I was disappointed with the feet-dragging over Iowa, but also wonder if it would have done any good to have dumped a couple million into it. Maybe it would have put us in fourth place, but unless you hit second, the press doesn't care.

We've seen some mistakes such as the snafu with Operation Spooner, but that kind of thing can happen on any campaign.

I'd say, let's not worry about HQ. 1) Ron Paul is not going to dump his loyal staff for a slicker team, so we'd waste our time belly-aching over it, and 2) we ARE the shadow campaign. Anything we see them not doing, we can do, with limited exceptions. So we get snubbed by staffers at events because we're not paid members of their clique. WE know who does the real work around here, and WE know who is paying their salary.

Oh, I agree with you Scribbler. My only reason for mentioning the last minute nature of things, is that I am hoping we at the grassroots level start creating some strategy for ourselves, so that we ourselves don't leave things up to the last minute, unless they absolutely have to be that way.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I think this thread topic is insulting and counter-productive. Since it's an opinion, and going off topic at that, I think it should be moved to another board. It's really annoying to see this at the top all the time in bold letters.

Then again, I'm a stickler for aesthetics.

What Dj said.

 

[Nefertiti]

Dr. Paul has a lot of conviction that his way is right and he doesn't need to attack others. Others have to engage in attacks in order to make their own positions look more correct than they are.

I think we are in a good position now. I've seen A LOT of negative spin on Romney from the media in the last few days, including his performance at the straw poll because he spent so much money. And Hillary and Barack are getting pounded too by the media. The media is doing a good job at the dirty work lately so we can focus our efforts elsewhere.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Oh, I agree with you Scribbler. My only reason for mentioning the last minute nature of things, is that I am hoping we at the grassroots level start creating some strategy for ourselves, so that we ourselves don't leave things up to the last minute, unless they absolutely have to be that way.

That is how I think we fell down on the job.

We need to get moving earlier in other contests because we're little and need more time to get rolling...

 

[disinter]

Whoever advised him to take that angry tone in the Iowa speech should be fired. It made him look like just another neo-con nutjob.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We do not need, or want, attack ads, IMO. I can't remember now who it was, but just in the last couple of days, someone suggested a wonderful series of soundbytes that would enable both us and Dr. Paul to totally turn the whole Iraq war issue back on the others. In other words, reframing things so WE are the only ones who are really serious about combatting terrorism. I thought his ideas were extremely good and it did not alter one single stance of Ron Paul's. It just showed things for what they are. You know, by letting our country be in such debt to China, was not conducive to national security. We needed to go after the one who really attacked us, bin Laden, and he wasn't IN Iraq. We needed to get out of debt, defend our own borders, etc. He said it MUCH better than I am here.

There is a way to turn this whole thing back on the others. We have the truth on our side. Up to now, we've been playing defense, instead of OFFENSE. I think it's time for the OFFENSE to step forward. I think the others will crumble. Yup, that's what I think.

 

[aravoth]

Appealing to emotions is ok, showing our fallen is not. I don't care if you're after shock value, I don't care if you think we need to be bigger assholes than all the chickenhawks running for office. People that try to promote Ron Paul's idea of freedom while tossing the "I told you so" mantra in with a few photos of dead Iragi's and dead Americans piss me off to a level you can't even fathom. I know people in those coffins, I served with many of the people there now.

I understand what they are trying to illustrate, but you don't need to do that shit. You really think that the older generation will actually sit through that?

The shitty video's I made have none of this unessacy shock value shit, and they all get a shitload of views. I've been told stories about how people have been able to convert the undecided or even the decided over to us just by showing them. And do you know why? It's not because they are edited well, it's not becuase they are "top production value". It's becuase it's just Dr. Paul, his message, and his words. Thats all.

HQ will do what is right, this isn't exactly the march of dimes. The money must be spent carefully. Don't forget though that we are a part of this campaign as well. That doesn't give any single one of us the right to micromanage the campaign. But it doesn't stop you from taking ten minutes out of your busy schedule to put signs up, engage people in conversation, call the papers, the news, and people in New Hampshire. This revolution may have been ingnited my Dr. Paul, but this is our country, and we are the ones resposible for what happens to it. Not his campaign staff.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Whoever advised him to take that angry tone in the Iowa speech should be fired. It made him look like just another neo-con nutjob.

I liked his tone, myself. In a perfect world, I would have liked for him to have explained himself better on the 2nd amendment and 9-11, etc., but all-in-all, he did very well. He's getting better each and every time.

What I liked the most about this speech, is that he got more away from teaching and more to ..... what is the word I'm looking for here? I can't think of it now. Anyway, I liked it.

 

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

I don't know why people are so quick to flame on the original poster for expressing his opinion on the matter. I for one don't agree with him 100% however I can side with him on some of his reasonings.

If you think we've gotten to where we are because of the campaign, you're kidding yourself.

The campaign needs to stir the pot a bit more..

The dice need to be rolled eventually.