RP needs to replace the amatuers running his campaign

[max]

RP's people have only managed a small congressional race. This is a different animal and there performance to date has been awful. Iowa was an opportunity for a breakout that will now be delayed.

It's almost September and we're still playing the "Who is Ron Paul" game. A Iowa victory or a 2nd place would have gotten us past this "Who is" stage. Thats why Iowa was important.

They totally blew it by not fighting and barely spending anytime in Iowa. . Iowa was not a setback, but nor was it the boost we could have easily had had if they spent some time and money there.

The ads they ran in Iowa SUCKED!

They need to directly ATTACK the front runners. Brownback did well because he boldly attacked Romney while RP's people were running TV ads about "Letters of Mark and Reprisal?"....are you fucking kidding me?

Huckabeee did well because of his pro-life message because Iowans WERE NOT EVEN AWARE that RP was a baby doctor with impeccible pro-life credentials.

Tancredo did well because he stressed the immigration issue while Iowans weren't aware that RP is just as solid as Tancredo on immigration.

RP should be ATTACKING the vulnerable frontrunners relentlessly while making his name synonymous with abolition of the IRS and the folly of this war. How about some TV ads with coffins of dead and maimed US troops? How about an ad showing what RP said during the first debate when he was asked about shutting down the IRS and replied "immediately"

Emotional hot buttons and images are what triggers publicity and interest. Ron Paul's two greatest moments were one : 1. When he was asked about abolishing the IRS during MSNBC debate...and 2. When Rudy went after him (altough RP blew a chance to hit back at Rudy)

If RP's campaign people continue to play nice-nice with these milk toast ads.....they'll never inspire the masses. There is a reason why the Establishment media bitches about "negative ads"......THEY WORK!

Anyone who thinks RP has a shot at this WITHOUT running hard hitting ATTACK ads is living in a fantasy.

 

[angelatc]

Forget it. Pauls is never going to hire a bunch of slick insiders, and I don't want him to.

If you want him to get more exposure, then send him more money.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

The truth hurts, good post.

 

[max]

exposure is not enough

it's not about being 'slick"...i'm talking about telling the truth while attacking.

This may not apply to you....but Joe six pack and suzy soccer mom wont be inspired until you touch their emotions with simplistic emotional images based on truth.

 

[angelatc]

Maybe it is true, but he has said over and over that he doesn't have the deep pockets that the other candidates do. There's talk of Tancredo dropping because he's so far in debt. He may have done well, but that won't matter if he doesn't finish the race.

I liked the ads. Maybe it's because I'm from the midwest and things are slower here.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We can't control what the campaign does. All we can do is control ourselves and possibly, create an organization within the grassroots to operate the way we wished the HQ did.

The commercials were not that great, because they were done at the last minute. We do the very same thing at the grassroots. With few exceptions, most everything we do is on an emergency basis. We are very good at short bursts of tremendous activity; however, imagine what we could do if we actually strategically planned something and executed that plan over time.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Maybe it is true, but he has said over and over that he doesn't have the deep pockets that the other candidates do. There's talk of Tancredo dropping because he's so far in debt. He may have done well, but that won't matter if he doesn't finish the race.

I liked the ads. Maybe it's because I'm from the midwest and things are slower here.

It sure would be nice to pull in the Tancredo crowd in soon. Considering most Tancredoites would lean towards Paul rather than Romney, we coulda won the IA poll for sure.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Don't you just hate it when you know exactly what the other feller should do but, dammit!

he just won't listen to you?

 

[Slugg]

RP's people have only managed a small congressional race. This is a different animal and there performance to date has been awful. Iowa was an opportunity for a breakout that will now be delayed.

It's almost September and we're still playing the "Who is Ron Paul" game. A Iowa victory or a 2nd place would have gotten us past this "Who is" stage. Thats why Iowa was important.

They totally blew it by not fighting and barely spending anytime in Iowa. . Iowa was not a setback, but nor was it the boost we could have easily had had if they spent some time and money there.

The ads they ran in Iowa SUCKED!

They need to directly ATTACK the front runners. Brownback did well because he boldly attacked Romney while RP's people were running TV ads about "Letters of Mark and Reprisal?"....are you fucking kidding me?

Huckabeee did well because of his pro-life message because Iowans WERE NOT EVEN AWARE that RP was a baby doctor with impeccible pro-life credentials.

Tancredo did well because he stressed the immigration issue while Iowans weren't aware that RP is just as solid as Tancredo on immigration.

RP should be ATTACKING the vulnerable frontrunners relentlessly while making his name synonymous with abolition of the IRS and the folly of this war. How about some TV ads with coffins of dead and maimed US troops? How about an ad showing what RP said during the first debate when he was asked about shutting down the IRS and replied "immediately"

Emotional hot buttons and images are what triggers publicity and interest. Ron Paul's two greatest moments were one : 1. When he was asked about abolishing the IRS during MSNBC debate...and 2. When Rudy went after him (altough RP blew a chance to hit back at Rudy)

If RP's campaign people continue to play nice-nice with these milk toast ads.....they'll never inspire the masses. There is a reason why the Establishment media bitches about "negative ads"......THEY WORK!

Anyone who thinks RP has a shot at this WITHOUT running hard hitting ATTACK ads is living in a fantasy.

1st, I think the campaign hasn't even started. We haven't gone toe-to-toe with anyone just yet...and that's a good thing. It's part of running a Dark horse campaign. It's too early to stick his head out (I think)...we don't have the resources to fight a long drawn out fight.

The campaign is going to have to make every 'shot' count....

 

[pyrazole2]

So you're a RP supporter, but you want RPHQ to be your 'nanny state'? Kind of flies in the face of the philosophy,

We're doing 'sneak attack ads'....and I think we're well beyond the "Who is RP?" era...at least in my locale. Why don't you get out there and change a few minds? Three or four people a day and we have this thing made.

Oh, and the people at HQ are doing a very good job in my opinion. Thanks to them, we'll have RP on the ballot!

 

[Dustancostine]

Rove's available and a Texan

 

[max]

so naive

pyra..

Meetup groups are a great supplement to the campaign...but do u seriously believe we can make up for RP's unwillingness to attacK?

"nanny state"....what a preposterous statement. I dont have the money to run a good TV attack ad...do you?

That's HQ's responsibility

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

RP's people have only managed a small congressional race. This is a different animal and there performance to date has been awful. Iowa was an opportunity for a breakout that will now be delayed.

It's almost September and we're still playing the "Who is Ron Paul" game. A Iowa victory or a 2nd place would have gotten us past this "Who is" stage. Thats why Iowa was important.

They totally blew it by not fighting and barely spending anytime in Iowa. . Iowa was not a setback, but nor was it the boost we could have easily had had if they spent some time and money there.

The ads they ran in Iowa SUCKED!

They need to directly ATTACK the front runners. Brownback did well because he boldly attacked Romney while RP's people were running TV ads about "Letters of Mark and Reprisal?"....are you fucking kidding me?

Huckabeee did well because of his pro-life message because Iowans WERE NOT EVEN AWARE that RP was a baby doctor with impeccible pro-life credentials.

Tancredo did well because he stressed the immigration issue while Iowans weren't aware that RP is just as solid as Tancredo on immigration.

RP should be ATTACKING the vulnerable frontrunners relentlessly while making his name synonymous with abolition of the IRS and the folly of this war. How about some TV ads with coffins of dead and maimed US troops? How about an ad showing what RP said during the first debate when he was asked about shutting down the IRS and replied "immediately"

Emotional hot buttons and images are what triggers publicity and interest. Ron Paul's two greatest moments were one : 1. When he was asked about abolishing the IRS during MSNBC debate...and 2. When Rudy went after him (altough RP blew a chance to hit back at Rudy)

If RP's campaign people continue to play nice-nice with these milk toast ads.....they'll never inspire the masses. There is a reason why the Establishment media bitches about "negative ads"......THEY WORK!

Anyone who thinks RP has a shot at this WITHOUT running hard hitting ATTACK ads is living in a fantasy.

Easy to be an task chair consultant, much different in the trenchs. What are your creds for such a boisterous opinion? The negative tone makes me wonder...

I don't know if I would call a congressional race against The Machine "small". A better finish would not have got us past the "Who is" stage. It merely would have made more wonder. The fact remains that most Americans wonder "What is a Straw Poll?" and "Where is Iowa?

I attended a productive MU, donated to HQ, and a booth at a local NY fair, and handed out flyers yesterday, how about you?

Forget it. Pauls is never going to hire a bunch of slick insiders, and I don't want him to.

If you want him to get more exposure, then send him more money.

I tend to agree here.

The truth hurts, good post.

Intriqueing yes, good? not so sure...

 

[ctb619]

Rove's available and a Texan

Nice

Unfortunately RP would have to sell his soul to the devil to make that happen.

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

The commercials were not that great, because they were done at the last minute. .

Part of their point is that the ads should not have been last minute. I was disappointed with the feet-dragging over Iowa, but also wonder if it would have done any good to have dumped a couple million into it. Maybe it would have put us in fourth place, but unless you hit second, the press doesn't care.

We've seen some mistakes such as the snafu with Operation Spooner, but that kind of thing can happen on any campaign.

I'd say, let's not worry about HQ. 1) Ron Paul is not going to dump his loyal staff for a slicker team, so we'd waste our time belly-aching over it, and 2) we ARE the shadow campaign. Anything we see them not doing, we can do, with limited exceptions. So we get snubbed by staffers at events because we're not paid members of their clique. WE know who does the real work around here, and WE know who is paying their salary.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Easy to be an task chair consultant, much different in the trenchs. What are your creds for such a boisterous opinion? The negative tone makes me wonder...

Same here.

 

[Ron Paul Fan]

You say that Dr. Paul's campaign managers are amateurs and have only run small Congressional campaigns. Have you ever ran a Presidential campaign max? Exactly. I think it's best to let the professionals do their jobs and we'll give them money so they can do their jobs better and spread the word ourselves through word of mouth. The damn Iowa caucus is about 5 months away and like Kent Snyder said, the campaign is just beginning. Ron Paul now has a decent base and will need to expand on it. There are a lot of debates coming up September-November to launch preemptive strikes, although that's really not Ron Paul's game. For God's sake, people aren't even paying attention to the Presidential races yet so what good would it do to blow all of Dr. Paul's money at a meaningless straw poll?

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Rove's available and a Texan

Nice

Unfortunately RP would have to sell his soul to the devil to make that happen.

It would be certain to get press coverage. RP's soul, or press coverage . . . RP's soul, or press coverage . . . Would they spell his name right?

 

[specsaregood]

max, always with the negativity and insults.

I trust RP and his experience. I think IA would have been a waste for him to put EVERYTHING into. Time to move on. Do what you can.

For every negative thing you post here; try doing something positive in the REAL WORLD.

 

[ARealConservative]

I understand the frustration. If it wasn't for all the hard work from the non-paid volunteers, this straw poll would of been a complete disaster.

We could of done far better, but we need HQ's help.

Personally I think they should of either just skipped the straw poll, or played it to win. Visiting a few towns the week prior to the event didn't do much in the grand scheme of things. We never played to win.

Just imagine if we still managed a 5th place finish even while skipping the event. I think that would of been a bigger story then showing up and finishing 5th.