RP Movement Has Been Hijacked!

[mconder]

The ideals of liberty and freedom are not something you covet as your little "secret".

Everyday I watch Beck's show and everyday 70% of his material is on the mark and 30% of it makes me question the other 70%. Is anyone else getting this? He is still incredibly infantile in the way he explains the principles of freedom and in some cases misses the mark entirely. I am betting I can come up with a good example of this from today's show when it airs 27 min from now.

 

[Young Paleocon]

Everyday I watch Beck's show and everyday 70% of his material is on the mark and 30% of it makes me question the other 70%. Is anyone else getting this? He is still incredibly infantile in the way he explains the principles of freedom and in some cases misses the mark entirely. I am betting I can come up with a good example of this from today's show when it airs 27 min from now.

Exactly, he yells I love capitalism from the mountaintops and then turns around and says he's tired of companies viewing people as "just consumers". Well no shit, they have to that's how you make money. Consumer gets what consumer wants.....bitch

 

[mconder]

Exactly, he yells I love capitalism from the mountaintops and then turns around and says he's tired of companies viewing people as "just consumers".

No doubt. It's like he thinks philanthropic goals are a company's primary motives for existing. The best service any company can do for mankind is to think of us all as consumers first...duh. How do you think good stuff gets made and people get paid? If he want's people to be looked at on a personal or spiritual level, he should go start a charity or a church. Gezz...

 

[ItsTime]

WTF guys you are trying to make a saint of Glenn Beck saying I dont agree with him 100% blah blah blah.

If we want this movement to GROW we must accept asshats like Beck.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I don't think people get what happened here. Just like Ron Paul and as started to happen for Rand Paul, Beck got blindsided by what happened.

He came up with an idea that people aught to get together with their neighbors and that fans of his show might like to get together. It probably had everything to do with building a following and boosting his ratings. Attached to this he set up the 912 web site. That's ALL Beck planned to do!

So 2 guys come along and set up a social networking site on ning and give each state it's own little area. These people are NOT connected to Beck - they are just fans who liked the idea.

Not connected to Beck or the ning project Becks call for viewing parties spawned the spontaneous creation of Meetups all over the country. He didn't ask for this. He wasn't expecting this.

He got blindsided. And that's a good thing.

Now more people belong to the Meetups than the ning network, and since ning has one group per state, but Meetup has multiple groups per state - that creates a very nice situation for us. If people here write up info on current legislation and post that to the 50 state groups along with info on how they can take action and a note to please cross post to other groups in their state...

Perhaps easier, there is a viewing party Meetup that has tons of members that could be a single distribution point - but things fly off that page at a lightning pace so propagation won't be as good.

See why this is very good for us?

Also, on Becks contact page he has several e-mail addresses and they welcome "News tips". I sent them in a bunch of things on upcoming legislation. I'd like to encourage others to do likewise.

-t

 

[dr. hfn]

We have the experience and the organizational infastructure in place already. We can lead this new group of awakening sheeple, we must become the leaders,

TAKE THE INITIATIVE!

 

[fedup100]

We have the experience and the organizational infastructure in place already. We can lead this new group of awakening sheeple, we must become the leaders,

TAKE THE INITIATIVE!

Yes, but why don't we?

 

[silverhawks]

We have the experience and the organizational infastructure in place already. We can lead this new group of awakening sheeple, we must become the leaders,

TAKE THE INITIATIVE!

Just as a pointer...you probably want to avoid calling people sheeple...its more than a little derogatory, and I don't think it ever helps in rational discussions or to get the point across. Nothing switches people off like inferring that they are ignorant or clueless.

 

[Stary Hickory]

The movement is growing, and the thing to remember is that we have logic and morality in our corner. Truth will always win. Sometimes they can suppress the voice of truth and reason, but with the internet, we can debate and destroy faulty ideologies at will. If we are all given a voice we can defeat the lies that are being propagated. Liberal media is losing influence with every passing day.

I have educated myself to debate and destroy Keynesian clowns, liberals, and socialists. They simply cannot match the logic, reasoning, and morality of classical liberalism combined with Austrian Economics.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Beck is leading the way. My son called me this morning very excited over the book club formed through the meet-ups formed by BECK!!

Why didn't Paul or C4L start something like this through the already existing meet-up groups. No, here we sit posting about how Beck has come around. My ass if he has come around. The enemy has wrapped that turd in a flag and stuck a r3volution sign on him and the masses are following this media creation into the pit of hell!

People, the MSM and the Republican party are hijacking Ron Paul, his revolution and our ideas for their own.

They are starting this thing early and they will whip it into a frenzy and by the end of the year, Beck will gently guide the idiot masses to THEIR new savior pick to run against O.

This pick will be the usual suspects and you, me all of us that have watched Beck will be duped again.

We must do something now!!! Any ideas, or we gonna let them take it all away.

My son was leader for Paul. He is very informed and he cannot see what they are doing, how the hell will the sheeple know the difference?

It just isn't possible to run a pure agenda through a political campaign. Now, it is possible to form an American Movement to reestablish the Civil-Purpose of the people over the legal-precedence of tyranny.
Since this Civil-Purpose is self-evidently true and unalienably a natural right, we need to find a way to get the minds of our ignorant leaders to inquire as to what it is. The confusion in their minds is masking what they already know in their hearts and souls.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

This thread is too good not to bump

-t

 

[Cowlesy]

I've successfully used things Beck has said on TV that I 100% agree with to win over neo-cons who otherwise would be too lazy to read the beautifully written articles I'd find on LRC or other sites that demonstrate the exact same philosophies.

Beck packages a lot of our ideas up in a great Joe Sixpack fashion. I use those selectively to bring people over to my philosophy. I don't need to idolize or parrot for Glenn to do so. A lot of what he says is great, and I use it selectively to push the freedom view.

It's working.

*shrug to those who say switch off the idiot-tube*.

Do it your way --- I'm fine with that.

 

[moostraks]

The movement is growing, and the thing to remember is that we have logic and morality in our corner. Truth will always win. Sometimes they can suppress the voice of truth and reason, but with the internet, we can debate and destroy faulty ideologies at will. If we are all given a voice we can defeat the lies that are being propagated. Liberal media is losing influence with every passing day.

I have educated myself to debate and destroy Keynesian clowns, liberals, and socialists. They simply cannot match the logic, reasoning, and morality of classical liberalism combined with Austrian Economics.

You are either very young or very naive. Please, do not think that good triumphs over evil, like some made for television movie. Willpower is what makes the difference. And those in control get to make the rules before we even get to have a say. The game is rigged and it's not in our favor...

 

[mediahasyou]

hijack the bookclubs.

 

[fedup100]

hijack the bookclubs.

Wow, yes, simplistic yet amazingly satisfying.. Ding Ding Ding.....we have a winner!

 

[moostraks]

I am reminded of high schoolers who liked a band when it was unheard of it, but hate to see it go mainstream.

Bull! I sure didn't dump time and money into the Paul campaign because I wanted to be part of some unknown group of misfits.

Having seen with my own eyes the bias and outright manipulation of the GOP, trusting someone in media as bi-polar as Beck is not an option. He is a war-monger who works for a media outlet that has sought to NOT have to tell the truth because they are an entertainnment organization.

He is NOT in alliance with the ideology espoused by Dr.Paul excepting marginally agreeing to some commonality on economic issues but disagrees with the very heart of what causes those same tragedies to our fiscal system. Allowing his ideas to morph our own will lead to the loss of our own potential as a political force of change.

 

[raiha]

You are either very young or very naive.

You sound grumpy today Moostraks. No harm in being young OR idealistic (which is the term i would use rather than naive.)

 

[PureCommonSense]

The Ron Paul movement involves a coaliton of taxpayers, gun owners, pro-lifers, 9/11 truthers, pot smokers and paleoconservatives who all united behind the same message of liberty, just like with Gorver Norquist's Leave Us Alone Coalition. Not everyone has to agree with Beck or any one person within - there are factions - as long as the movement stays intact. And if he can do good for our movement, so be it!

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Well, I did some more digging. it looks like he's trying to get everyone signed up on the 912 project site, but local Meetups are still going to be around. They did get their top level domain put in place. glennbeck.meetup.com

Meetup stats:
36,379 members
2,640 interested
266 groups

Here's the real shocker!:
162,650 members on www.912project.com

That's 50% more members than we had on Meetup at our peak - AND HE PULLED THAT OFF IN A WEEK!

Oh, and he had 1 Million viewers last Friday - incredible for a 5pm EST time slot.

He's got 2 blog type forums (like Daily Paul). Needless to say, it's like drinking from a fire hose. They have issues:
If you post a comment the text of your last comments gets inserted in there and has to be removed before you can proceed.
there are some scrolling issues in post boxes.
sometimes your post disappears and then reappears. Makes threads really hard to follow.
every thing is moderated, and it can take 10-15 min to get an approval. But they are being very liberal in what they allow posted.

still a useful way to reach a lot of people - but they need to do something different as to the blogs.

-t

 

[LibertyEagle]

Whether it be government or the RP movement, central planning does not work.

Which is probably why our Founders did not design our form of government that way.