RP Movement Has Been Hijacked!

[angelatc]

I think it's a shame that our official leaders didn't invest in television.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

What bothers me about him is that he wants to be the leader.

Actually he wants YOU to be the leader. This came up on one of his shows this week - the need for a leader, and he said to get your values together, network with others and run for city council.

On another occasion he said you can make of the network he's forming what you want, including a political movement.

To all of those that are watching and waiting and not trusting - have you considered that he's doing a lot better than the C4L right now, and that the people who are joining these groups for the most part think like us... now what course of action would that suggest to you. Something YOU could do...

So if he turns around and pushes some corporate/neocon candidate come 2010/2012 if you are well known to the group local to you, don't you think you might have a a good chance of convincing people NOT to vote for who Beck recommends - assuming their bad) ?

I was happy he mentioned us and the homegrown terrorism issue, however on one of his radio shows he said Meetup had called to get in touch with him saying they hadn't seen anything this big come together since Howard Dean. I rather suspect he left something out - like us... but I don't know what Meetup actually said.

-t

 

[mconder]

This is un(*^%ing real and it is all over this board too and they are watching, they are laughing their asses off behind the scenes, how could you fall for this.

You can bet your ass Glenn's research stooges what this site religiously. I swear it's where they get a lot of their programming ideas. By the way, whatever happen to Glenn's promise to get to the bottom of the FEMA camps, one way or another. That promise went straight to the memory hole.

 

[angelatc]

So, just to recap: television and radio talk show hosts are starting to say things that we agree with. The Republican party is starting to say things that we agree with. And you're all angry about this because.... what again?

Because they're libertarians. They are absolute purists. Which doesn't win elections.

The mention of Ron Paul's name isolates people. Maybe GLenn Beck will reach some people that simply won't listen to Paul .

 

[danberkeley]

Whether it be government or the RP movement, central planning does not work.

 

[acptulsa]

So, just to recap: television and radio talk show hosts are starting to say things that we agree with. The Republican party is starting to say things that we agree with. And you're all angry about this because.... what again?

Not angry.

Get a puppy and kick it every time you see it for a month, then stop. You'll get a look from that puppy every time you don't kick it like, oh $#!+ what is he planning for me now?

Or better yet, don't. You get the idea, you don't need to conduct the actual experiment...

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

You can`t help but think his "conversion" is awfully timely.

I ask why now?

This is not a coincidence!

Wasn't Beck the one that offered to give new candidates running against an incumbent some TV time before the last election and did? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

OK I have just brainstormed another hypothesis. Beck is competing with us for the same demographics! He realised that so he tries to mymic us in some aspects to better reach them, but not in those that matter the most to him!

He doesn`t want to hijack our movement! He wants to recruit a second movement for himself to lead. A movement which will be supposedly populist but will actually be mainstream controlled to neutralise our own. And to deplete our recruitment pool!

Beck is our direct rival!

He could be. This is how politics is done in much of the world.

Take the LDP in Russia in the 1990s. It was supposedly this angry populist party, but everone knows it was actually created by the Kremlin, because they wanted all the angry people in the party they indirectly controlled rather than led by an actuall lose cannon.

Well, if that's the plan it's not working. His local group here has 80 members and only 3 of them were Ron Paul supporters during the campaign. I see this working in the exact opposite direction.

-t

 

[mconder]

So, just to recap: television and radio talk show hosts are starting to say things that we agree with. The Republican party is starting to say things that we agree with. And you're all angry about this because.... what again?

Because once they are in power again, it will be the same old game. Just like Obama duped the Democrats into believing he was a populist progressive, he turned out to be bought and paid for by the same people as Bush. Imagine our disappointment when we allow that to happen to us again. It's coming. We have such short memories. These people have a system for maintaining power, they are using it against us, and they are not going to give it back just because we asked for it.

 

[AuH20]

Because once they are in power again, it will be the same old game. Just like Obama duped the Democrats into believing he was a populist progressive, he turned out to be bought and paid for by the same people as Bush. Imagine our disappointment when we allow that to happen to us again. It's coming. We have such short memories.

Well, we have to shape the primary again. No more crying. Get the right candidate in 2012. Whether it be Sanford or someone else who hasn't garnered the attention of the press.

 

[Feenix566]

Because once they are in power again, it will be the same old game. Just like Obama duped the Democrats into believing he was a populist progressive, he turned out to be bought and paid for by the same people as Bush. Imagine our disappointment when we allow that to happen to us again. It's coming. We have such short memories. These people have a system for maintaining power, they are using it against us, and they are not going to give it back just because we asked for it.

Nobody's suggesting that we vote for Sean "I love torture" Hannity for the 2012 nomination. But there are liberty candidates with consistent voting records in favor of liberty and fiscal responsibility... like Mark Sanford and BJ Lawson. This movement of conservatives away from neoconservatism and towards libertarianism will only help them get elected. It's good news.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

> Why didn't Paul or C4L start something like this through the already existing meet-up groups.

That is the question of the ages. I was saying that from the beginning, but there was very little effort to convert the meetups to political action groups.

That is one of the things I'm pretty pissed off at C4L for. They wrote me a long time ago asking about Meetup and what it would cost to keep the Meetups going. There were several issues, the most important being:

1) Cost
2) Control (theirs)
3) Lack of access to e-mail addresses.

They figured it would be cheaper to have their own site, hired incompetent people to build it, really messed up on registrations and during that long lag lots and lots of Meetups (about half) disbanded, people lost interest and drifted away.

Keeping up momentum and interest is incredibly important and in this they were a massive failure!

-t

 

[mconder]

Keeping up momentum and interest is incredibly important and in this they were a massive failure!

Don't worry. Glenn Beck will get us back where we need to be before the next election.

 

[fedup100]

Don't worry. Glenn Beck will get us back where we need to be before the next election.

And he will be the King of Faux, get huge book deals and laugh all the way to the bank. You will be scrapping for food or dead in your local camp, this is the plan.

 

[micahnelson]

I am reminded of high schoolers who liked a band when it was unheard of it, but hate to see it go mainstream.

 

[akihabro]

I'll be sure to inform my Glenn Beck group. I really haven't been watching Glenn that long. I've heard you guys say he's switched his views. At least watching "We surround them" enabled me to find others with my views.

 

[mconder]

You will be scrapping for food or dead in your local camp, this is the plan.

Seriously though...doesn't anyone else remember the day Beck said on his radio show that FEMA camps actually do exsist and then changed his mind to undecided on his T.V. show later that day. Then he swore he would get to the bottom of it and report on it shortly? Well, it's been a few weeks now and I have not heard him mention FEMA camps since.

 

[fedup100]

Look at the freakin "Beck" threads", I think we need to change the name of this forum or have a Beck sub forum, this insulting in so many ways.

 

[Stary Hickory]

The ideals of liberty and freedom are not something you covet as your little "secret". The fact that more people are spreading the message is encouraging, it is the only way out of the darkness that has engulfed our country. The past 100 years has tested freedom and liberty.

But despite the viscous assault on individual rights and liberty, America has held better than any country in the world. I sincerely believe America will lead the world to freedom again. And for this to happen we must fight every day, spread the word to whomever will listen, we must educate ourselves and those around us.

If others start to do this as well, then you know we are making a difference. Truth will prevail. Freedom and peaceful social cooperation build societies, but Socialism and violence against citizens destroys it. If we can express this accurately and often, people will see the light.

 

[acptulsa]

I am reminded of high schoolers who liked a band when it was unheard of it, but hate to see it go mainstream.

I have always loved Jefferson Airplane and always hated Starship. And Jefferson Airplane died before I reached kindergarten, much less high school.

The thing about what is underground is, they are doing what they are doing for something deeper than greed.

 

[mconder]

I am reminded of high schoolers who liked a band when it was unheard of it, but hate to see it go mainstream.

I'm really encouraged to see to many people with so much hope, but don't let that hope delude you. This is a bait and switch scheme and time will prove which of us is right.