"Ron Paul's Issue With Style Over Substance" - US News & World Report

[D.A.S.]

A fair and balanced article that says a lot of the things we say on these forums regarding Dr. Paul's debate style. A useful and interesting read.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ke.../13/ron-pauls-issue-with-style-over-substance

 

[AuH20]

That article is dead on. He's peaked at 12 percent thanks to this persona he's embraced.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yup, I agree. Whether Ron Paul goes up in the polls is up to Ron Paul.

 

[sailingaway]

nice, commented

 

[evilfunnystuff]

That article is dead on. He's peaked at 12 percent thanks to this persona he's embraced.

Peaked? Peaked, AuH20? (laughs) Let me tell you something. He hasn't even begun to peak. And when He does peak, you'll know. Because He's gonna peak so hard that everybody in the world is gonna feel it.

 

[gb13]

I agree with the article as a whole. I disagree with this point though:

"I don't think he's going to expand his constituency much beyond what it was four years ago if he maintains his current tone."

I mean, I hear what the guy is saying, but Ron has already almost doubled his poll numbers since '08. It would have been more accurate if he said that Paul wouldn't raise much more in the polls from where he is now. But already, '08 and '12 are night and day with regards to the size of his support base.

It is absolutely right though to say that whether or not Ron goes higher than where he is now is almost entirely up to him. Obviously the media doesn't help, but Ron and the campaign can force media attention by refining his delivery a little better and calling out his opponents in their inconsistency on domestic issues and ignorance on foreign policy matters. It is up to Ron -and Ron alone- to get where he needs to be to win. We are all pulling for him, no matter what. If he plays the game just enough to use it against his opponents, and show the country who THEY really are vs. who HE really is, he will run away with it.

It can be done.

Don't forget that Reagan wasn't polling much better at this stage of his campaign.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

Lots of untrue remarks in that article.

"[Paul] has a gruff persona, and that's how he comes off in a debate. No one's going to vote for Ron Paul because they think he's a warm, fuzzy, grandfatherly figure."

As a matter of fact, that's how many people see him, myself included.

"Others may find it confusing, especially if they are looking for headline-grabbing soundbites or play-to-the-audience humor."

Dr. Paul regularly gets laughs from the audience, last night included.

Van Lohuizen describes Paul's tone as sharp and well-informed, but defensive at times and a bit passive-aggressive. He adds, "I don't think he's going to expand his constituency much beyond what it was four years ago if he maintains his current tone."

He already has increased his constituency considerably. Why is he polling at 13% now, when he was nowhere near that in 08?

 

[AuH20]

Someone should sticky this sentence. Guy came up to me at work saying the same thing and this guy wants the troops home, but Ron's words rubbed him the wrong way. Words are critical and set people off:

McHenry adds that audiences tend to like Paul when they first hear him, but he starts to lose people when he gets rolling on foreign policy.

 

[AuH20]

I agree with the article as a whole. I disagree with this point though:



I mean, I hear what the guy is saying, but Ron has already almost doubled his poll numbers since '08. It would have been more accurate if he said that Paul wouldn't raise much more in the polls from where he is now. But already, '08 and '12 are night and day with regards to the size of his support base.

It is absolutely right though to say that whether or not Ron goes higher than where he is now is almost entirely up to him. Obviously the media doesn't help, but Ron and the campaign can force media attention by refining his delivery a little better and calling out his opponents in their inconsistency on domestic issues and ignorance on foreign policy matters. It is up to Ron -and Ron alone- to get where he needs to be to win. We are all pulling for him, no matter what. If he plays the game just enough to use it against his opponents, and show the country who THEY really are vs. who HE really is, he will run away with it.

It can be done.

Don't forget that Reagan wasn't polling much better at this stage of his campaign.

the problem is that given the favorable environment and given his expertise, he should be much higher than 12%. This climate is tailor made for his message, but he still thinks he's running for the Libertarian Party nod.

 

[Steve-in-NY]

yawn. I remember waaaay back just a couple months ago when he peaked at 5%

 

[Travlyr]

Peaked? Peaked, AuH20? (laughs) Let me tell you something. He hasn't even begun to peak. And when He does peak, you'll know. Because He's gonna peak so hard that everybody in the world is gonna feel it.

For centuries.

 

[fearthereaperx]

That article is dead on. He's peaked at 12 percent thanks to this persona he's embraced.

It's his persona and resiliency which have gotten us to 12%. It takes time for his message to get out-- and break free from the neo-con brainwashing of the past 20 years-- and when it does, get out, it will have long lasting staying power. People are already beginning to accept the notion of foreign occupation on our soil and how we would respond. Just notice the comparisons in '07 and now.

The next step is to make them realize how 9/11 ties in with everything, which obviously, is the hardest part. It's where we are right now. It's the Neo-Con's Golden Goose. Ron needs to make that connection in order for the masses to truly make a change.

He needs to push his viewpoints on this topic stronger, not back away from them. Get credibility on his side by constantly hammering in the point that he gets the most military donations, have former veterans speak out for him, and juxtapose ads together and play them throughout the primary states. Truth is on his side and he's winning right now because attention to these controversial issues are in the limelight.

 

[D.A.S.]

I think I see what the media is up to now: "Why is Ron Paul out of the single digits?? -- Oh, he's reaching his ceiling."

Personally, I don't believe for a minute that 12-13% is all we can muster. The media will SAY that and hope that it will be a self-filling prophecy. It's early in the race, and people are just beginning to tune in and open their ears and listen. So far, they think that they got Romney and Perry as their viable options. Then they hear Ron speak, and they go -- "Whoa! Did he just say that??" They get surprised that there is someone telling the truth. Sometimes they think it's nonsense, and it gets to be too much, so they gotta listen to it again. And again. And again.

Dr. Paul will not change appreciably from where he is in terms of his delivery style and message, so we oughtn't even expect that. He's got a great message though, and it takes a while to change people's minds. August had been a quiet month. Now the school is in session, and the debates are hammering at the public. By the beginning of October, we will see where we really stand.

 

[WilliamC]

It's his persona and resiliency which have gotten us to 12%. It takes time for his message to get out-- and break free from the neo-con brainwashing of the past 20 years-- and when it does, get out, it will have long lasting staying power. People are already beginning to accept the notion of foreign occupation on our soil and how we would respond. Just notice the comparisons in '07 and now.

The next step is to make them realize how 9/11 ties in with everything, which obviously, is the hardest part. It's where we are right now. It's the Neo-Con's Golden Goose. Ron needs to make that connection in order for the masses to truly make a change.

He needs to push his viewpoints on this topic stronger, not back away from them. Get credibility on his side by constantly hammering in the point that he gets the most military donations, have former veterans speak out for him, and juxtapose ads together and play them throughout the primary states. Truth is on his side and he's winning right now because attention to these controversial issues are in the limelight.

Sounds about right.

+ rep

 

[FSP-Rebel]

It's his persona and resiliency which have gotten us to 12%. It takes time for his message to get out-- and break free from the neo-con brainwashing of the past 20 years-- and when it does, get out, it will have long lasting staying power. People are already beginning to accept the notion of foreign occupation on our soil and how we would respond. Just notice the comparisons in '07 and now.

The next step is to make them realize how 9/11 ties in with everything, which obviously, is the hardest part. It's where we are right now. It's the Neo-Con's Golden Goose. Ron needs to make that connection in order for the masses to truly make a change.

He needs to push his viewpoints on this topic stronger, not back away from them. Get credibility on his side by constantly hammering in the point that he gets the most military donations, have former veterans speak out for him, and juxtapose ads together and play them throughout the primary states. Truth is on his side and he's winning right now because attention to these controversial issues are in the limelight.

The average republican gets their insight on candidates from debates and how the media spins their words. 30 second exposes using Paul's current speaking style regarding foreign policy isn't enough time to teach and give the backdrop to what he's talking about and why he's right in saying X, Y or Z about 9-11 or whatever. This is why he needs to smooth out his verbiage better so as to get his point across w/o alienating people or being unjustifiably labeled a kook. He's got the 9-11 report, Scheuer and the support of the troops to make his case yet it seems he bends over backwards to say OBL said this or why Iran would want a nuke, I mean for real.

 

[pacelli]

Yup, I agree. Whether Ron Paul goes up in the polls is up to Ron Paul.

Precisely.

 

[bolidew]

A fair and balanced article that says a lot of the things we say on these forums regarding Dr. Paul's debate style. A useful and interesting read.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ke.../13/ron-pauls-issue-with-style-over-substance

Hope he read this and do something about it.
It's not too late.
Debate performance is more effective than expensive AD at this point.

 

[eleganz]

Someone should sticky this sentence. Guy came up to me at work saying the same thing and this guy wants the troops home, but Ron's words rubbed him the wrong way. Words are critical and set people off:

Well then you should've educated him on the truth instead of letting him pout.

 

[Tod]

Because he isn't as polished a speaker as, say, Ronald Reagan, it will necessarily take longer for his popularity to grow. A lot of people are so absorbed with their day to day life that they aren't willing to research the candidates properly, and a captivating presence is the real honey that draws people to listen, learn, and become enamored with the message. It puts even more of a burden on us as supporters to convince people that he is worth listening to, especially when we are battling the MSM at the same time.

Someone commented that the campaign could be doing a LOT more with videos on their web page, and I agree! I would think that someone from the campaign would be reviewing some of the wonderful grassroots videos people are making and have them edit/rework them as needed so that they could be used by the campaign in an official way....

 

[The Free Hornet]

Yup, I agree. Whether Ron Paul goes up in the polls is up to Ron Paul.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips, (1811-1884), abolitionist

Where in the quote does it put all this shit on Ron Paul? What price are you paying, "LibertyEagle"?