Ron Paul's immigration position from 2007

But....but..... the simple solution of stopping entitlements is soooo hard! :speaknoevil:

You think it will be easy to tell everybody that children of illegal aliens can't go to public school here anymore?

I'm not sure what reality you are in. That is going to be extremely difficult to pull off.
 
You think it will be easy to tell everybody that children of illegal aliens can't go to public school here anymore?

I'm not sure what reality you are in. That is going to be extremely difficult to pull off.

The Fed Gov has no business in education & that should up to local municipalities.
 
The Fed Gov has no business in education & that should up to local municipalities.

You just said you wanted to get rid of entitlements for illegals, that includes states getting rid of entitlements for illegals as well. Otherwise the Fed Govt. is going to have to protect the borders.
 
I oppose biometrics adn the police state but it's not a concentration camp if you can go home any time you want and the wall may not be the best solution but it is what we can get right now.

What a ball of contradictory weasel words, lol. The first claim is inherently at odds with the weak attempt at refutation. That a refutation of any sort was even attempted is nothing short of yet more direct opposition to Ron Paul. If you supposedly oppose biometrics and trump's expansion of the big government police state, then you would denounce your Authoritarian Idol for it, tell everyone how wrong he is for it, and actually oppose him for it. Instead, you go on repeatedly telling everyone how wonderful trump's immigration policy is. Otherwise, your weak claim of opposition to biometrics and the police state is completely meaningless. Put up, or shut up.

Next we have the ludicrous claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp, and that the people being held and abused in them can just leave anytime. What do you call them, then? Jails? "Detention centers"? No matter what euphemism you want to attempt to whitewash what they really are, any description of the conditions in these places, and the abuse of those being held, shows them to be far worse than any jail, there is absolutely no question that they are nothing less than concentration camps. Your claim that those being held there can just leave anytime is laughable, these places would be empty if that were true, and those locked doors, gates, and barbed wire fences must just be there for decoration. By definition, a concentration camp, jail, or "detention center" is designed to keep people from leaving it. Instead of simply deporting illegal immigrants quickly; building, maintaining, and staffing these places, abusing and feeding those held there, is all being paid for by our tax dollars. You claim to oppose the police state, yet rather than voice one word of opposition to trump doing this, you attempt to claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp and that those being held there can leave anytime they want.

You voice no opposition whatsoever to the "papers, please" mentality or spying on people under the guise of trump's immigration policy. You voice no actual opposition to walling our country in, instead you actually condone it, in direct opposition to Ron Paul. Your attempted propaganda argument that trump's immigration policy = Ron Paul's immigration policy falls completely flat.
 
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What a ball of contradictory weasel words, lol. The first claim is inherently at odds with the weak attempt at refutation. That a refutation of any sort was even attempted is nothing short of yet more direct opposition to Ron Paul. If you supposedly oppose biometrics and trump's expansion of the big government police state, then you would denounce your Authoritarian Idol for it, tell everyone how wrong he is for it, and actually oppose him for it. Instead, you go on repeatedly telling everyone how wonderful trump's immigration policy is. Otherwise, your weak claim of opposition to biometrics and the police state is completely meaningless. Put up, or shut up.

Next we have the ludicrous claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp, and that the people being held and abused in them can just leave anytime. What do you call them, then? Jails? "Detention centers"? No matter what euphemism you want to attempt to whitewash what they really are, any description of the conditions in these places, and the abuse of those being held, shows them to be far worse than any jail, there is absolutely no question that they are nothing less than concentration camps. Your claim that those being held there can just leave anytime is laughable, these places would be empty if that were true, and those locked doors, gates, and barbed wire fences must just be there for decoration. By definition, a concentration camp, jail, or "detention center" is designed to keep people from leaving it. Instead of simply deporting illegal immigrants quickly; building, maintaining, and staffing these places, abusing and feeding those held there, is all being paid for by our tax dollars. You claim to oppose the police state, yet rather than voice one word of opposition to trump doing this, you attempt to claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp and that those being held there can leave anytime they want.

You voice no opposition whatsoever to the "papers, please" mentality or spying on people under the guise of trump's immigration policy. You voice no actual opposition to walling our country in, instead you actually condone it, in direct opposition to Ron Paul. Your attempted propaganda argument that trump's immigration policy = Ron Paul's immigration policy falls completely flat.

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You just said you wanted to get rid of entitlements for illegals, that includes states getting rid of entitlements for illegals as well. Otherwise the Fed Govt. is going to have to protect the borders.

States may do as they wish- the Fed Gov has NO business in any welfare programs.

All charity should be local.
 
What a ball of contradictory weasel words, lol. The first claim is inherently at odds with the weak attempt at refutation. That a refutation of any sort was even attempted is nothing short of yet more direct opposition to Ron Paul. If you supposedly oppose biometrics and trump's expansion of the big government police state, then you would denounce your Authoritarian Idol for it, tell everyone how wrong he is for it, and actually oppose him for it. Instead, you go on repeatedly telling everyone how wonderful trump's immigration policy is. Otherwise, your weak claim of opposition to biometrics and the police state is completely meaningless. Put up, or shut up.

Next we have the ludicrous claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp, and that the people being held and abused in them can just leave anytime. What do you call them, then? Jails? "Detention centers"? No matter what euphemism you want to attempt to whitewash what they really are, any description of the conditions in these places, and the abuse of those being held, shows them to be far worse than any jail, there is absolutely no question that they are nothing less than concentration camps. Your claim that those being held there can just leave anytime is laughable, these places would be empty if that were true, and those locked doors, gates, and barbed wire fences must just be there for decoration. By definition, a concentration camp, jail, or "detention center" is designed to keep people from leaving it. Instead of simply deporting illegal immigrants quickly; building, maintaining, and staffing these places, abusing and feeding those held there, is all being paid for by our tax dollars. You claim to oppose the police state, yet rather than voice one word of opposition to trump doing this, you attempt to claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp and that those being held there can leave anytime they want.

You voice no opposition whatsoever to the "papers, please" mentality or spying on people under the guise of trump's immigration policy. You voice no actual opposition to walling our country in, instead you actually condone it, in direct opposition to Ron Paul. Your attempted propaganda argument that trump's immigration policy = Ron Paul's immigration policy falls completely flat.

Ya think? :speaknoevil:
 
If you are somehow attempting to claim that it is conservative to waste our tax dollars on abusing people in concentration camps, then that would be nothing less than direct opposition to Ron Paul.

One of my friends got killed by an illegal alien, They ran him over in a van while he was riding his motorcyle and the fake news covered it up. He left a wife and a little baby to fend for themself becaause he was the breadwinner. If just one person's life here is saved than its worth it to me.
 
One of my friends got killed by an illegal alien, They ran him over in a van while he was riding his motorcyle and the fake news covered it up. He left a wife and a little baby to fend for themself becaause he was the breadwinner. If just one person's life here is saved than its worth it to me.

If that illegal alien had stayed in whatever other country and killed someone in a car accident there instead of here, how would that be saving a life?
 
If that illegal alien had stayed in whatever other country and killed someone in a car accident there instead of here, how would that be saving a life?

My friend would be alive and his wife wouldn't have a dead husband and his baby wouldn't have a dead dad.
 
One of my friends got killed by an illegal alien, They ran him over in a van while he was riding his motorcyle and the fake news covered it up. He left a wife and a little baby to fend for themself becaause he was the breadwinner. If just one person's life here is saved than its worth it to me.

One of my friends was killed by a white guy- should we deport all whites?
 
Was that white guy illegal and not supposed to be here. Go ahead and deport all the illegal whites.

That's irrelevant. You're missing his point.

If we can save a life by passing a law to deport all whites, thus making them illegal and not supposed to be here, then you must support passing that law.
 
Was that white guy illegal and not supposed to be here. Go ahead and deport all the illegal whites.

Where is your empathy? Jesus says - you should suffer in silence. If you want, you can turn the cheek. :tears:
 
Where is your empathy? Jesus says - you should suffer in silence. If you want, you can turn the cheek. :tears:

How would you like to be the mother when the kid asks you where is dad is and why everyone else has a dad but he doesn't and you have to tell him that someone who wasnt even supposed to be here killed him?
 
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