Ron Paul's Freedom Type Economics Already Proven To Work in NH

[ProBlue33]

Next time people say it can't work look at this. Looks like that http://freestateproject.org/ is working.

 

[July]

It's good, and something I feel proud of, though I remember there being quite a few media articles this election season, posing the question whether Iowa and New Hamphire should be allowed to keep their first in the nation caucus/primary status, because NH's demographics don't look like or "represent" the rest of the country anymore. I think the more this trend continues, unfortunately, the more pressure there will be on candidates who poll well here.

 

[Carlybee]

Not to be a contrarian but is it really fair to compare NH with Mississippi? Mississippi is a poor state...doesnt produce much...gulf tourism was decimated with hurricanes and the BP oil spill in the last few years ...okay Katrina was more than a few years ago but I dont think they completed rebuilding and rebounding. Doesn't NH have people from Mass taking jobs there? Seems there may be some things left out of this comparison.

 

[Elwar]

Not to be a contrarian but is it really fair to compare NH with Mississippi? Mississippi is a poor state...doesnt produce much...gulf tourism was decimated with hurricanes and the BP oil spill in the last few years ...okay Katrina was more than a few years ago but I dont think they completed rebuilding and rebounding. Doesn't NH have people from Mass taking jobs there? Seems there may be some things left out of this comparison.

Exactly...

With such a high median income it must be expensive right? I highly doubt any city in New Hampshire would be on the Forbes List of America's 100 Cheapest Places To Live.

And what about things such as quality of life and livability? Or safety and health/health care quality? Or child well-being?

I am sure with no seatbelt laws the fatality statistics must be through the roof of fatalities per 100 million miles driven.

How do their residents rank in knowledge of fundamental economics and financial concepts?

How is New Hampshire's teen pregnancy rate?

Finally, what is New Hampshire's tax burden as a percentage of gross income?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't think it was meant as a comparison. I simply think it was the way the website presented the information. IE, Mississippi was the poorest, NH was the wealthiest.

I think the OP was just trying to point out NH is at the top of the pack.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Exactly...

With such a high median income it must be expensive right? I highly doubt any city in New Hampshire would be on the Forbes List of America's 100 Cheapest Places To Live.

And what about things such as quality of life and livability? Or safety and health/health care quality? Or child well-being?

I am sure with no seatbelt laws the fatality statistics must be through the roof of fatalities per 100 million miles driven.

How do their residents rank in knowledge of fundamental economics and financial concepts?

How is New Hampshire's teen pregnancy rate?

Finally, what is New Hampshire's tax burden as a percentage of gross income?

Overall child well being including teen preg rates: NH #1
Driving fatalities per 100 mill miles: Mass % NH tied for lowest fatalities per most recent census data
Overall tax burden: NH #2 behind AK who gives oil rebate checks to citizens each year thus has the lowest tax burden
Unemployment rate: NH #6 @ 5.0%

 

[Keith and stuff]

And what about things such as quality of life and livability?

#1 in the US. Heck, this just came out,
America’s Best States to Live in 2012
Top States for Quality of Life
By Scott Cohn
Posted 10 July 2012
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48058146/?slide=11

Quality of life is solid across the board in the Granite State. The population is among the healthiest, in part because of the quality of the environment. Want a little more civilization? Boston is just over the border, offering New Hampshire residents the benefits of the big city without the hassles. Crime in New Hampshire is among the lowest in the country.

Or safety and health/health care quality?

It depends on what you look at but usually #1 or #2 in the US

Or child well-being?

It depends on what you look at but usually #1 or #2 in the US

I am sure with no seatbelt laws the fatality statistics must be through the roof of fatalities per 100 million miles driven.

Near the lowest in the US

How do their residents rank in knowledge of fundamental economics and financial concepts?

#1 is the US

How is New Hampshire's teen pregnancy rate?

Lowest in the US

Finally, what is New Hampshire's tax burden as a percentage of gross income?

I have no idea but I love this game. Thank you for setting me up

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

States aren't the best measure of laizzes-faire, I'd try Hong Kong as proof.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Next time people say it can't work look at this. Looks like that http://freestateproject.org/ is working.

You bring up a good point. However, let's compare economic freedom in the 2 states.

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/NH
Freedom Rankings
#1 Overall
#2 Economic
#11 Personal

http://mercatus.org/freedom-in-the-50-states/MS
Freedom Rankings
#24 Overall
#30 Economic
#14 Personal

So, NH is about the most economically free state and it is the most prosperous. However, While MS is the least prosperous, it does show very poorly for economic freedom but not the worst. Than again, MS may not be in the worst shape in the country, economically, depending on how you look at it.

At the very least, your argument is very interesting and deserves further research. What Ron Paul's goal be to allow the rest of the US to be as prosperous as NH currently is?

OK, well, how do Ron Paul supporting state representatives in New Hampshire feel about other people moving to NH?

Daniel T. on Facebook: Absolutely. Let me join Reps Seth Cohn, Mark Warden, George Lambert, Andrew J. Manuse, Jr Hoell, Laura Jones, and the Hon. Donald Gorman in inviting all freedom, Liberty, and America loving folk to move to the State and continue to make it an industrious and great place to live!...

Oh snap, I guess they want Ron Paul supporters to move to NH. It is incredible how inviting the pro-liberty state reps in NH are to people who live in much less free areas. I guess I could say it would be nice if pro-liberty state reps were as inviting in other parts of the country but for the most part, pro-liberty state reps don't even exist in other places...

 

[muzzled dogg]

Can you get a gun in hong kong?

And what's the penalty for possession of a joint? life in prison?

 

[Keith and stuff]

Can you get a gun in hong kong?

And what's the penalty for possession of a joint? life in prison?

I think he was just taking Hong Kong as proof that little economic regulation produces increased prosperity compared to a great deal of economic regulation and comparing most of China to Hong Kong in the example.

I doubt anyone would argue that Hong Kong has as much personal freedom as NH.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Too bad NH is too cold for me.

You couldn't try making southern California the free state project?

 

[Keith and stuff]

Too bad NH is too cold for me.

You couldn't try making southern California the free state project?

Apparently, CA is the worst governed place in the US. Maybe you could start an unfree project in CA but it looks like the people there are decades ahead of you on that front

California bankruptcies are only the beginning
By Tami Luhby @CNNMoney July 12, 2012: 5:16 AM ET
http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/12/news/economy/california-bankruptcies/

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- San Bernardino became the third California city to file for bankruptcy in the past few weeks ... but it won't be the last.

Many municipalities in the Golden State and around the nation are struggling to cover their costs as the economic malaise continues to hurt tax revenue streams, experts said. This will lead to more municipal bankruptcies, which have been rare until now.

OH CRAP: A Whole Bunch Of Cities And Counties Are Now Seeing Their Finances Collapse
Ben Duronio | Jul. 11, 2012, 4:50 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/cities-in-financial-trouble-2012-7

It is a list of 14 cities, almost all of them in CA including most of the major cities in southern CA.

 

[ronpaulnh2012]

It may not constitute as scientific proof, but NH is at least a great anecdotal example of how liberty works in practice:

Permissive Gun Laws -> Lowest Crime Rate in US
Lowest Tax Burden -> Wealthiest State in US
No Adult Seatbelt Law, No Auto Insurance Required -> Roads remain safe and it's affordable to own a car here
... etc

I'm a Free State Project participant (moved to NH about 4 years ago from a neighboring state) and it's exciting to see how much momentum we are building for liberty (amazingly long list of recent accomplishments)

Ron Paul supporters: you owe it to yourselves to seriously consider joining the Free State Project and moving to New Hampshire. It's the real deal.

http://freestateproject.org/intro/ron_paul

 

[mac_hine]

My hood-Portsmouth, NH

Born and raised in southern NH. There's no other place I'd rather live.

Portsmouth is a great location. About an hour from Boston, and an hour from the White Mountains. There are a number of beautiful beaches within 15 minutes of my house. The only problem with Portsmouth is the local politics. The town is extremely liberal. I've thought about running for city council but I don't think I have a shot. I wish more Freestaters would consider moving here instead of the Keene area. I know it's the hotbed for political activism in the state, but I think Portsmouth is ripe ground for liberty minded individuals to come in and make a difference. We just need the numbers.

 

[tremendoustie]

Finally, what is New Hampshire's tax burden as a percentage of gross income?

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/10/pf/taxes/state_tax_rates/index.htm

Fifth best in the country, as of 2009, according to this. The budget has been cut 11% since then, and taxes cut as well, while other states are spending more, so this information is probably out of date.

Here's a map: http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-local-tax-burdens-fall-2009-tax-revenues-shrink-faster-income

 

[Keith and stuff]

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/10/pf/taxes/state_tax_rates/index.htm

Fifth best in the country, as of 2009, according to this. The budget has been cut 11% since then, and taxes cut as well, while other states are spending more, so this information is probably out of date.

NH has the most local control when it comes to how much taxes are, though. There is so much more choice in NH when it comes to taxes, it doesn't compare as accurately as the other states do. There are people in Lebanon paying really high property taxes but there are people in other areas not paying any property taxes at all. If the people of Lebanon change their minds, they can cut there taxes 30% next year. Of course, they almost certainly won't do that as they like high property tax bills, or at least, the services that go along with the high taxes.

 

[TomtheTinker]

Exactly...

With such a high median income it must be expensive right? I highly doubt any city in New Hampshire would be on the Forbes List of America's 100 Cheapest Places To Live.

And what about things such as quality of life and livability? Or safety and health/health care quality? Or child well-being?

I am sure with no seatbelt laws the fatality statistics must be through the roof of fatalities per 100 million miles driven.

How do their residents rank in knowledge of fundamental economics and financial concepts?

How is New Hampshire's teen pregnancy rate?

Finally, what is New Hampshire's tax burden as a percentage of gross income?

What does teen pregnancy and seat belts have to do with freedomonics???

 

[tremendoustie]

Too bad NH is too cold for me.

You couldn't try making southern California the free state project?

I just moved from socal -- it's beautiful here, and there's much, much better skiing (not to mention hiking, canoeing, fishing, etc ....). They absolute only form of outdoor recreation that's better in socal, as far as I'm concerned, is the beach, and many of the beaches here are quite nice.

 

[tremendoustie]

NH has the most local control when it comes to how much taxes are, though. There is so much more choice in NH when it comes to taxes, it doesn't compare as accurately as the other states do. There are people in Lebanon paying really high property taxes but there are people in other areas not paying any property taxes at all. If the people of Lebanon change their minds, they can cut there taxes 30% next year. Of course, they almost certainly won't do that as they like high property tax bills, or at least, the services that go along with the high taxes.

Very true -- many towns in NH pay under 1% property tax. Their tax burden is almost certainly much lower than any other state -- but they're averaged in with Keene, Lebanon, Berlin, etc.