Ron Paul Would Have Crushed Obama in the Presidential Debate

[BlackTerrel]

I would have paid to see that! And contrary to some here I think he would have faired quite well.

 

[BlackTerrel]

It doesn't matter because the corporate special interest group known as mains stream media gave untold advertising dollars smearing him. It didn't take ads. And the other candidates were given media time for free in which they used time to smear Ron.

To be fair I think "the media" is a bit of a cop out. It's a lot like "the refs" and everyone thinks they are always against them.

Do you remember Herman Cain leading the polls by a comfortable margin (with much higher numbers than Paul ever had) before the media started attacking and exposing him?

 

[The Free Hornet]

To be fair I think "the media" is a bit of a cop out. It's a lot like "the refs" and everyone thinks they are always against them.

Do you remember Herman Cain leading the polls by a comfortable margin (with much higher numbers than Paul ever had) before the media started attacking and exposing him?

Cain was an implosion waiting to happen. He represented the hunger that should have been fed by Ron Paul. Too many media types could only serve up anybody-but-Romney-who-isn't-Paul. Anybody impressed with "9 9 9" should have creamed their jeans at the thought of eliminating the IRS (a distinct possibility as tariffs, energy taxes, excise taxes can fund a healthy national defense). This option was not spread through the MSM so people that don't go beyond news-clip soundbites had little-to-no exposure to Ron Paul.

I won't lie to you and say "everyone I talked to supported Ron Paul". Sadly some in my own family did not. They were then, and are now, simply anti-Obama (as they were anti-Clinton). I can say positively that I know of nobody that ever gave a thoughtful opinion about any non-Paul presidential contender besides Gary Johnson. It just did not happen. I could repost graphs showing the large discrepancy between media coverage of Paul and google searches. The MSM bragged about booting candidates out of the election and that is exactly what they did.

Grassroots power wasn't strong enough. Soon, it will be.

 

[sailingaway]

To be fair I think "the media" is a bit of a cop out. It's a lot like "the refs" and everyone thinks they are always against them.

Do you remember Herman Cain leading the polls by a comfortable margin (with much higher numbers than Paul ever had) before the media started attacking and exposing him?

But for each of the others, when they surged they gave them a honeymoon of a few days and rounds of shows before tearing them apart. It was a pattern. When Ron STARTED to surge before Iowa they attacked to prevent it. And the same in February when he was starting to surge, it was a very different pattern, imho.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If we want to win the presidency, I really feel like we simply have to find a way to get a friendly television station. The media has way too much power in our country and they will do us in every time, unless we have a chance to offer an alternative.

 

[sailingaway]

If we want to win the presidency, I really feel like we simply have to find a way to get a friendly television station. The media has way too much power in our country and they will do us in every time, unless we have a chance to offer an alternative.

We can build up Swann and his station, and find others. For a start, but yeah, I'd like a friendlier network.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We need much more than Swann, unless he can get on a nationally-carried TV show.

 

[sailingaway]

We need much more than Swann, unless he can get on a nationally-carried TV show.

If he did, I think he'd be controlled as the Judge was, in the end. I'm thinking Rayathon (Ratheon? what is the carrier of his station?) should maybe be built up. They are like a mini network already and independent.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

But for each of the others, when they surged they gave them a honeymoon of a few days and rounds of shows before tearing them apart. It was a pattern. When Ron STARTED to surge before Iowa they attacked to prevent it. And the same in February when he was starting to surge, it was a very different pattern, imho.

But this was predictable and expected. Campaign should've had a better response, they had a whole year to plan for it. That is valid criticism.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

If we want to win the presidency, I really feel like we simply have to find a way to get a friendly television station. The media has way too much power in our country and they will do us in every time, unless we have a chance to offer an alternative.

I've been thinking about this. There's no network that even closely resembles my views. I just watch C-SPAN mostly. I think a liberty orientated channel would appeal to huge segments of society, independents especially.

 

[acptulsa]

But this was predictable and expected. Campaign should've had a better response, they had a whole year to plan for it. That is valid criticism.

We had all that time, too, and did try to plan for it. On the one hand, yeah, the campaign didn't even repeat what worked and worked well, like the Iowa Big Dog ad. The campaign is ripe for criticism. On the other hand, how does one effectively fight the Monolithic Shitshovelling Megaphone? Yeah, as Will Rogers said, truth stays put longer than rumor. But a month before the election, which is as soon as most people start paying any attention to it at all, it doesn't matter that truth stays put longer, but only that rumor travels faster.

Yeah, someday there won't be a demographic that is mostly made up of people who vote religiously but avoid the internet. And when that day comes, the MSM won't have the power it has now. The question is, can we last until that comes to pass?

 

[BlackTerrel]

But for each of the others, when they surged they gave them a honeymoon of a few days and rounds of shows before tearing them apart. It was a pattern. When Ron STARTED to surge before Iowa they attacked to prevent it. And the same in February when he was starting to surge, it was a very different pattern, imho.

Cain was attacked and marginalized as much as Ron Paul. Cain even led in the polls despite all that.

Everytime the Falcons lose my buddies and the message boards light up that the refs were against the Falcons.

Blaming "the media" is a cop out. Appeal to the masses and convey your message and you have a shot - I'll be Rand makes a good show of it in 2016 with the same old media.

 

[sailingaway]

Cain was attacked and marginalized as much as Ron Paul. Cain even led in the polls despite all that.

Everytime the Falcons lose my buddies and the message boards light up that the refs were against the Falcons.

Blaming "the media" is a cop out. Appeal to the masses and convey your message and you have a shot - I'll be Rand makes a good show of it in 2016 with the same old media.

To recognize the role of the media is not saying nothing but the media is an issue. They are biased, and it isn't a 'cop out' to recognize that.

I think we need to TEACH people or call their attention to things they aren't noticing, not appeal to their current level of understanding. If you pretend you are no different, you won't have support for what needs to be done, because it won't be what you were elected to do. Besides, I think honesty rings true and pandering doesn't, because it isn't.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Cain was attacked and marginalized as much as Ron Paul. Cain even led in the polls despite all that.

Everytime the Falcons lose my buddies and the message boards light up that the refs were against the Falcons.

Blaming "the media" is a cop out. Appeal to the masses and convey your message and you have a shot - I'll be Rand makes a good show of it in 2016 with the same old media.

Agree. Ron Paul is a fantastic Congressman, but he is not a particularly adept politician. To say he would "crush" Obama in the debates is to ignore reality. Ron isn't a very good debater. He's prone to either rambling on or stuffing so much stuff in to one answer nobody even remembers what his point was. And that's assuming the general public even cares about points in the first place. Mostly they judge debates on who the better speaker is. And there is no way Ron Paul is going to win that type of contest. Judge Napolitano- he'd destroy Obama. Tom Woods- same story. But speaking and debating just aren't Ron Paul's strong suit. We don't mind because we love and respect him, because we know about the decades of heroic votes he's cast in the US Congress, and we understand what he's talking about even when he doesn't make the point as strongly (or even coherently) as he should. But he gets no such pass from the masses.

 

[BlackTerrel]

To recognize the role of the media is not saying nothing but the media is an issue. They are biased, and it isn't a 'cop out' to recognize that.

Sure but people act like the entire media dedicates 99% of its resources to tearing down Ron Paul and every act they do is done with the sole purpose of keeping Ron out of office. The world doesn't work that way and the media isn't that monolithic.

Are you denying the media went after Herman Cain? Cause I think they tore him to shreds.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Agree. Ron Paul is a fantastic Congressman, but he is not a particularly adept politician. To say he would "crush" Obama in the debates is to ignore reality. Ron isn't a very good debater. He's prone to either rambling on or stuffing so much stuff in to one answer nobody even remembers what his point was. And that's assuming the general public even cares about points in the first place. Mostly they judge debates on who the better speaker is. And there is no way Ron Paul is going to win that type of contest. Judge Napolitano- he'd destroy Obama. Tom Woods- same story. But speaking and debating just aren't Ron Paul's strong suit. We don't mind because we love and respect him, because we know about the decades of heroic votes he's cast in the US Congress, and we understand what he's talking about even when he doesn't make the point as strongly (or even coherently) as he should. But he gets no such pass from the masses.

I'm not actually saying that either. I think Ron Paul COULD have faired quite well in a debate against Obama and I wish I would live to see it.