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Please tell me you are joking.. or please clarify your point. I really don't think the means of death affect the phrase, "Live by the sword, die by the sword." By your same logic you would also have to ask whether he was killed by a sword. (Not that the means matter)

Oh so we aren't supposed to take him literally? Well in that case, I am pissed off at Ron Paul for mocking the guy, cause clearly he lived by the sniper gun but didn't die that way!
 
His job is immoral and he could have quit or stopped obeying orders. That is what a real hero would do. People should not make excuses for his crimes just because they have a veil of legitimacy from he being a part of the military.

Again, with all due respect, you are making this issue much more simple than it truly is.

Now, as I have stated, his rhetoric after the fact may have been inappropriate, but that doesn't change the complexity of the situation.
 
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A lot of his kills were people coming to the aid of other people he shot. He targeted and shot anyone on the street. I get it. That's war. But don't come home laughing about limbs being blown off and heads exploding. The man was a psychopath. Whether or not the war made him that way is debatable. And because they say this woman had a grenade or this kid had a RPG does not make it so. A lot of decisions were made. And a lot of people died directly because of his decisions. He isn't a hero. Those who are offended or think that stating that is disrespecting our troops have not been paying attention. I remember that SOB going on every news station that would have him speaking about his 'trophies.'

I can't say I disagree with a lot of what you just stated.
 
And for some people to sit on their computers, comfortably, and spew nonsense like they understand the battle field is not only annoying, but irresponsible.

That's like saying that it's bad for people to sit on their computers, comfortably, criticizing a thief even if they don't understand what is like to be part of a gang. That's your point? What fucking stupid idiocy.
 
Oh so we aren't supposed to take him literally? Well in that case, I am pissed off at Ron Paul for mocking the guy, cause clearly he lived by the sniper gun but didn't die that way!
I'm sure some of the people he shot would have rather him bleed to death after getting his arm shot off from 800 yards. That is besides the point. I really find it hard to believe that you do not know what, 'Live by the sword, die by the sword,' means.
 
I never stated that I am uneducated about this subject. I stated that I didn't read his book. Just as you apparently didn't closely read my comment.

I blame anarchists for vile language, b/c since being on the forums, I've noticed an elitist and vile attitude from them. Not all. But A LOT. It is quite annoying. I am guilty, at times, of this too. Almost everyone is. But, to be honest, not the extent of the self-proclaimed anarchists.

For you to sit here and tell me to "go to hell" says a lot about your character and your immaturity. This is an open forum. You have all the right to say what you believe and what you want, but that doesn't mean that what you say doesn't hurt this movement. In case you are unaware, the major players in Washington and in the media read what we all say. Let me know how far this movement goes when people, like a lot of the anarchists, say things which bring negative attention to this movement.

So again, thank you, but no thank you.
If you don't understand that Chris Kyle murdered people who were simply defending their home like you and I would, then you don't understand foreign policy.
 
That's like saying that it's bad for people to sit on their computers, comfortably, criticizing a thief even if they don't understand what is like to be part of a gang. That's your point? What fucking stupid idiocy.

I think your comment falls under that very category.
 
I'm sure some of the people he shot would have rather him bleed to death after getting his arm shot off from 800 yards. That is besides the point. I really find it hard to believe that you do not know what, 'Live by the sword, die by the sword,' means.

who cares what it means, we have a guy here who could clearly sit on the outer banks and pick off those falujah heads one by one with a straw and a wad of paper. And here Ron Paul is trying to make us think the guy shouldn't be buried next to Elvis, enshrined in the hall of fame, baseball and football, have his dna put in cryogenic stasis, and give his kids 20 million each!

I mean come on RON PAUL, how are you gonna dis a guy who put his life on the line day in and day out protecting twitter for us? huh?
 
If you don't understand that Chris Kyle murdered people who were simply defending their home like you and I would, then you don't understand foreign policy.

I think you are simplifying the issue. But, lets leave it at that because we could open up a whole can of worms.

I'm not going to debate you on the war in Iraq. I don't think we should have gone, period. But to simplify it and say that they were the good guys and Kyle was the bad guy is over simplifying it. You have your opinion, and I have mine. Lets just leave it at that.
 
There is a time & place for killing. I'm not justifying all of Kyle's actions, but there may come a day when such actions are needed in this land.

If so, they'll be needed by the government. And you can bet your ass that there will be people out there every bit as eager and willing to oblige as Kyle was.

To people like Chris Kyle, anyone (such as you and I might be in that "day that may come") who dares to stand up to his war-machine "brothers" are just despicable "savages" deserving of nothing but hatred & death.

What in the world makes you imagine that someone like Kyle would not regard you and me in *exactly* the same way (or that someone like Kyle could ever be on "our side" under such circumstances) is beyond me ...
 
Understood.

See, I have held all along that none of this will be solved politically, and that, quite frankly, political efforts are just kicking the can down the road and making the ultimate reckoning that much worse.

So that is why I hold fast to ideas, and not politicians.

I'm about to throw it in the woods. Or throw it through the window........... Chief went, others stayed. Apropos.

 
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If so, they'll be needed by the government. And you can bet your ass that there will be people out there every bit as eager and willing to oblige as Kyle was.

To people like Chris Kyle, anyone (such as you and I might be in that "day that may come") who dares to stand up to his war-machine "brothers" are just despicable "savages" deserving of nothing but hatred & death.

What in the world makes you imagine that someone like Kyle would not regard you and me in *exactly* the same way (or that someone like Kyle could ever be on "our side" under such circumstances) is beyond me ...

Yep. Anybody who thinks the majority of our troops are "fighting for our freedoms" is delusional. Our freedoms are disappearing and the troops aren't lifting a finger. In some cases they are aiding our demise.
 
Is it Ron actually running this? Because this last tweet is pretty offensive...



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Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

The pro-war folks can have a fit over this, I don't care. Ron Paul speaks the truth and doesn't care what the pro-murder crowd thinks about it. God Bless you Ron Paul!
 
I'm sorry, but I don't know how anyone can consider those that back the soldiers pro-murder. Take your anger out on the leaders who sent them there/indoctrinated them, not the fighters. That's how we earn credibility as a movement. Because even for those opposed to war, our soldiers are heroes.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't know how anyone can consider those that back the soldiers pro-murder. Take your anger out on the leaders who sent them there/indoctrinated them, not the fighters. That's how we earn credibility as a movement. Because even for those opposed to war, our soldiers are heroes.

Government is like a religion for you. It can transform things. It can make murder become virtuous. A government approved kill is heroic.

Wake the fuck up. Killing and stealing are wrong whether they're government approved or not.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't know how anyone can consider those that back the soldiers pro-murder. Take your anger out on the leaders who sent them there/indoctrinated them, not the fighters. That's how we earn credibility as a movement. Because even for those opposed to war, our soldiers are heroes.

No one is taking anything out on "our soldiers".
 
I'm sorry, but I don't know how anyone can consider those that back the soldiers pro-murder. Take your anger out on the leaders who sent them there/indoctrinated them, not the fighters. That's how we earn credibility as a movement. Because even for those opposed to war, our soldiers are heroes.

Are the soldiers in the Gestapo and Third Reich heroes? Are the soldiers who rounded up poor and starving people in Russia and China heroes?
 
Are the soldiers in the Gestapo and Third Reich heroes? Are the soldiers who rounded up poor and starving people in Russia and China heroes?

To some, if they have a uniform on then they must be heroes, that goes for cops too. I guess many don't consider some join the military precisely because they want to kill someone and not go to jail over it. True heroes only kill as a last resort, and they don't need an army to back them up, they mostly work alone.
 
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