RON PAUL: TRUMP FLIP-FLOPS ON SYRIA WITHDRAWAL. AGAIN.

Swordsmyth said:
It's not going to happen, it's completely impractical and I don't think Trump means it, he is just talking tough.
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You mean he is LYING.

What part is he not LYING about?

I can't tell.. his stupid clown mouth moves the same either way.

So far it has been LIES. or complete Bull$hit.
 
Ron Paul...?

...doesn't ring a bell.

This is the new and improved liberty movement.

We believe in giant deficits and increased spending and harassing China and Iran.

...oh, and taking their oil (whoever's, doesn't matter).
 
r3volution 3.0 said:
Ron Paul...?

...doesn't ring a bell.

This is the new and improved liberty movement.

We believe in giant deficits and increased spending and harassing China and Iran.

...oh, and taking their oil (whoever's, doesn't matter).
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Yea I don't think you get to invoke Ron Paul anymore buddy, see sig.

You still have not answered to that yet despite multiple call outs, btw.
 
eleganz said:
Yea I don't think you get to invoke Ron Paul anymore buddy, see sig.
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Yea, I don't think you ever had a firm grasp of libertarianism, or reality in general. For instance, you thought that a lifelong Democrat such as Donald Trump, who made all his money lying to people on television would make a good President. Nevermind that he was on record supporting a wide variety of radically anti-libertarian policies such as inflationary monetary policy (which he's currently promoting). People such as yourself, who don't actually have any clear ideas are easily mislead, aren't you?
 
r3volution 3.0 said:
Yea, I don't think you ever had a firm grasp of libertarianism, or reality in general. For instance, you thought that a lifelong Democrat such as Donald Trump, who made all his money lying to people on television would make a good President. Nevermind that he was on record supporting a wide variety of radically anti-libertarian policies such as inflationary monetary policy (which he's currently promoting). People such as yourself, who don't actually have any clear ideas are easily mislead, aren't you?
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ooohhh the personal attack....I seem to have hit a major nerve here. You can pull out the libertarian measuring stick if you want but I have never defended my degree libertarianism nor do I ever intend to because I feel secure about my beliefs. Frankly, I thought you were above something as infantile as that. But I get it, you were embarrassed by my signature and you know its not going anywhere, so your veins are inflammed with eleganz blood right now.

BACK to the topic and I'm going to break it down for you so you can't run from it, even though you just literally did evade what I said, what is that, like the 4th time you ignored it? Anyway.


You invoked Ron Paul....fact

I told you, you're in no position to be invoking Ron Paul since you since to think his position on anonymous accusers is....a grotesque embarrassment. At least when you were called out on it, you were silent, super silent, big league silent. Evading posts where I specifically call you out for it....thats a fact too, isn't it?

And what do you do next? Attack me for not understanding libertarianism and somehow making it about Trump and his lies, which has nothing to do with Ron Paul's position on anonymous accusers.

Now do you want to debate whats at hand or do you want to keep making cheap shots at my understandings of libertarianism? lol.


For the record, I have never, even once led anybody on RPF to believe that Trump was pro-libertarian. Actually quite the opposite. I have always warned those on RPF that Trump was not, is not and never will be a libertarian candidate/president, nor did he even attempt to court our vote. So yea, sorry bud, you're wrong on that too.
 
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dannno said:
I think the idea is they are securing the oil for Assad, so that the terrorists don't come in and grab it. Once things have settled down they should be able to leave.
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I thought they told us that Assad was a terrorist lover and that's why we needed to spill blood and treasure Over There to remove him? Now we need to spill blood and treasure Over There to protect the oil for someone our government has been actively been trying to remove so that other bad guys (also funded by Our Guys) don't get the oil? US troops protecting Syrian oil? That authority must be somewhere in the all encompassing interstate commerce clause or something.
 
Reasons would keep evolving, after securung oil filds in Syria, we may have to send more troops to Iraq and mideast to secure civilians there. But main reason (Iran-Israel rivalry) is not be cited that was also a catalyst of recent shift of most of troops from Syria to Iraq. For same reasons, Syria's oil fields can't be left to Syrian regime as it is an ally of Iran. Looking at Syria developments alone without keeping in view full context of the situation in the region is not going to be helpful in understanding the situation.


Hundreds killed, thousands injured in unrest, Iraqi PM says Israel is responsible for attacks
Scores killed as Iraq forces clash with protesters
27 Oct 2019
More than 60 people have been killed in two days of demonstrations against Iraq's government.
aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/scores-killed-iraq-forces-clash-protesters-191027092916816.html


October 6, 2019
104 people killed in Iraq unrest, 6,000 wounded: Interior Ministry
reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1WL0DV


Iraqi PM says Israel is responsible for attacks on Iraqi militias: Al Jazeera
2 Min Read
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - “Investigations into the targeting of some Popular Mobilisation Forces positions indicate that Israel carried it out,” Al Jazeera quoted Abdul Mahdi as telling it.
reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security/iraqi-pm-says-israel-is-responsible-for-attacks-on-iraqi-militias-al-jazeera-idUSKBN1WF1E5

Falih al-Fayyadh's visit comes a day after Iraq's prime minister directly blamed Israel for a series of airstrikes targeting Iranian-backed PMF forces in the country.
alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2019/10/2/iraqi-militia-leader-meets-us-defence-secretary-in-washington

US, Israeli efforts to contain Iran put Iraq’s stability on the line
Alleged IDF airstrikes targeting Iranian-backed paramilitaries have heightened divisions between the Shiite groups and Iraqi government20 September 2019
BAGHDAD (AP) — As the United States and Israel escalate their push to contain Iranian influence in the Middle East, countries in Tehran’s orbit are feeling the heat.



Is Iraq the New Front Line in Israel’s Conflict with Iran?

By Amos Yadlin, Ari Heistein
| August 27, 2019
The plan in 1981 was to keep the strike secret, and Israel was not to take responsibility. But it was only weeks before Israeli elections, and taking credit proved too tempting for Begin. The Israeli operation aroused considerable irritation in Washington, and the U.S. response was to condemn the strike and embargo the delivery of a third F-16 squadron to Israel.
Now, 38 years later, it appears Israel has once again carried out an attack on Iraqi territory. The Aug. 20 strike near Balad air base in Iraq was the fourth in a series of recent explosions on bases controlled by Iranian-backed Iraqi militias. The explosions have targeted Iranian missile shipments as well as upgrade kits for advanced guidance. The rest of the incidents remain unattributed.
foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/27/is-iraq-the-new-front-line-in-israels-conflict-with-iran/
 
Slave Mentality said:
I thought they told us that Assad was a terrorist lover and that's why we needed to spill blood and treasure Over There to remove him? Now we need to spill blood and treasure Over There to protect the oil for someone our government has been actively been trying to remove so that other bad guys (also funded by Our Guys) don't get the oil? US troops protecting Syrian oil? That authority must be somewhere in the all encompassing interstate commerce clause or something.
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Trump was always against removing Assad. He campaigned against removing Assad. He campaigned on removing ISIS from Syria.

He is one of the only politicians of all time who has actually done what he promised. Ya, we still have troops there.. and the neocons are pressuring him hard to keep troops there and they are committing false flags any time he orders a troops withdrawal. It is a difficult situation, as the President needs to maintain good optics with the people who know msm is fake news and like Trump, but don't know the extent of the deep state false flag situation. There are a lot of people like that who need to be a little more woken up. But is he going after Assad? No. He is going after ISIS. That much seems pretty clear.
 
Pretty much my POV:


As Trump said, “We’ll be deciding what we’re going to do with it in the future.” In no other international power dynamic would this be considered a rational thing for anyone to say. The idea of another nation invading Texas and seizing control of its oil fields and then Xi Jinping or whomever saying “We’re controlling their oil and we’ll be deciding what we’re going to do with it in the future” is unthinkable, but a US president can just come right out and say this about a weaker nation and it won’t even be front-page news.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Donald Trump is the most honest US president of all time. By that I don’t mean that he’s an honest person; he of course lies constantly. I simply mean that while his predecessors have always made sure to dress their imperialist military campaigns up as benevolent humanitarian intercessions, Trump just stands there out in the open like “Yeah we grabbed their oil and it’s ours now, blow me.” There was once a time when claiming a war was really about oil got you branded a conspiracy theorist. Now the US president just outright says it.

And this is really the only reason establishment power structures dislike Trump. They don’t feel directly threatened by him, they just dislike the way he’s always saying the quiet part out loud. Status quo power has a vested interest in keeping a smiling mask on things and preventing people from thinking too hard about what’s really going on in the world, and Trump keeps ripping off that mask by telling everyone what he’s doing in plain English.
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“We Want To Keep The Oil”
By Caitlin Johnstone

Full article here:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/no_author/we-want-to-keep-the-oil/
 
Superfluous Man said:
How is his promise to eliminate the national debt in 8 years coming along?
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Depends on what metric you use.

You don't understand how the world works at all, or you are here to be purposely deceptive, so you are definitely using the wrong metric.
 
dannno said:
Depends on what metric you use.

You don't understand how the world works at all, or you are here to be purposely deceptive, so you are definitely using the wrong metric.
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What metric do you use, and how is he doing in keeping his promise to eliminate the national debt in 8 years according to that metric?
 
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