RON PAUL: TRUMP FLIP-FLOPS ON SYRIA WITHDRAWAL. AGAIN.

[Swordsmyth]

How is his promise to eliminate the national debt in 8 years coming along?

He is doing the best he can considering Congress won't cooperate:

More winning. President Trump is reducing the Debt to GDP ratio indicating that under his Presidency the economy is growing faster than the national debt!

According Rex Sinquefield at Forbes in October of 2016:

The Obama recovery of the last seven years remains the worst in postwar American history. Average gross domestic product (GDP) growth since the bottom of the recession in 2009 was barely above 2.1% per year. The average since 1949 is well above 4% per year during the previous 10 expansions.
This result is not just bad, it is catastrophic. The average American should not be wondering if his or her income is a bit above or below 2007 levels. Just by historical averages, the average American should be 20% better off than in 2007. And this slow growth is settling in as a permanent new-abnormal.
I believe the root cause of abysmal growth is the huge tax increases imposed by Obama and the Democrats in Congress since 2008. The most harmful were the increase in the capital gains tax from 15 to 20 percent, the increase in top bracket income from 35 to 39.6 percent, and the new tax of 3.8 percent on investment income in the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The massive increase in regulatory burden through the ACA and Dodd-Frank bills are also crushing, but unfortunately are harder to measure.​

President Obama never reached an annual GDP Growth rate of more than 3.0%. No President over the past century had not ever been held to GDP growth rates of less than 3.0% until Obama. But President Trump averaged a better than 3% GDP last year.

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More impressively, when comparing the amount of US Debt from the government’s daily report of debt to the amount of GDP from the current GDP release, the amount of debt to GDP is decreasing under President Trump (a very good thing).

The ratio of debt to GDP is decreasing drastically – from 105.3% when Obama was President to 103.2% at the end of the 2nd Quarter of 2019! (Note that Obama increased the Debt to GDP ratio by 30% over his first two years and more than 40% during his two terms in office. Also, under Obama the Fed kept rates at 0% for his first seven years!


If President Trump had the same luxury of a 0% interest rate as Obama the Debt to GDP would be much less because US debt would be $1 trillion less.

More than one trillion of the two trillion increase in debt under President Trump is due to the Fed’s increase in rates.

Winning, Winning, Winning!

If not for the Fed, the US would be paying down national debt.

Despite this, the economy is getting stronger and stronger.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-than-us-debt/​

 

[Superfluous Man]

He is doing the best he can considering Congress won't cooperate:

When he made that promise did he think that Congress wanted to do what it would take to eliminate the national debt, and he just didn't find out they didn't until after he got elected?

And for that matter, do you honestly believe that it's just Congress not wanting to cooperate? Do you honestly think that it was remotely possible to eliminate the national debt (not just the annual deficit, but the entire existing debt) in just 8 years? What level of spending cuts would that require? And do you honestly believe that Trump would ever support that level of cuts?

 

[Swordsmyth]

When he made that promise did he think that Congress wanted to do what it would take to eliminate the national debt, and he just didn't find out they didn't until after he got elected?

And for that matter, do you honestly believe that it's just Congress not wanting to cooperate? Do you honestly think that it was remotely possible to eliminate the national debt (not just the annual deficit, but the entire existing debt) in just 8 years? What level of spending cuts would that require? And do you honestly believe that Trump would ever support that level of cuts?

I think he found out that the swamp was much worse than he thought after he got in office.
And I don't know if the debt could be eliminated in just 8 years but if we had big enough spending cuts and big enough tax/regulation cuts to grow the tax base we could make major progress if not eliminate it.
We could also just shred the debt owned by the Fed and the Social Security trust fund and then phase out Social Security.

 

[acptulsa]

Did you just duck a question by posting a chart? Did Zippy teach you how to do that?

And what is this Gateway Pundit chart, that caused you to tap the B icon and channel Charlie Sheen, promoting? Why, Modern Monetary Theory, of course! What else would an apologist for a Democrat-turned-politician extol?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Did you just duck a question by posting a chart? Did Zippy teach you how to do that?

And what is this Gateway Pundit chart, that caused you to tap the B icon and channel Charlie Sheen, promoting? Why, Modern Monetary Theory, of course! What else would an apologist for a Democrat-turned-politician extol?

The point is that Trump is reducing the debt to GDP ratio without MMT, if Congress would cooperate with spending cuts and more tax and regulation cuts he might be able to actually decrease the debt itself.

 

[TheCount]

Yet another gaslighting among many.

 

[angelatc]

No matter how many times they get smacked in the nose with the rolled up newspaper of reality, Trump supporters find some reason to keep the faith and come right back for more.

I staggers the mind. Ron Paul still gets it.

 

[Anti Globalist]

I staggers the mind. Ron Paul still gets it.

And he will continue to always get it until the day he dies.

 

[angelatc]

And he will continue to always get it until the day he dies.

Breaks my heart that we couldn't sell it. I don't really have much hope any more.

 

[pcosmar]

Breaks my heart that we couldn't sell it. I don't really have much hope any more.

Watch and Pray.

I am an Observer.. Ron gave me some hope for a different path..

I observed that path being rejected.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Breaks my heart that we couldn't sell it. I don't really have much hope any more.

Well thats what happens when you live in a country where the majority of people don't believe in freedom. As long as people wake up in the morning knowing they have internet, food, car, house, etc, they have no worries whatsoever.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Well thats what happens when you live in a country where the majority of people don't believe in freedom.

Fat and fed with circuses Trumps freedom.

 

[angelatc]

Well thats what happens when you live in a country where the majority of people don't believe in freedom. As long as people wake up in the morning knowing they have internet, food, car, house, etc, they have no worries whatsoever.

Yeah. Like they'll ever be satiated.

 

[Ender]

Watch and Pray.

I am an Observer.. Ron gave me some hope for a different path..

I observed that path being rejected.

Agree- and Ron Paul definitely opened my eyes.

 

[eleganz]

ooohhh the personal attack....I seem to have hit a major nerve here. You can pull out the libertarian measuring stick if you want but I have never defended my degree libertarianism nor do I ever intend to because I feel secure about my beliefs. Frankly, I thought you were above something as infantile as that. But I get it, you were embarrassed by my signature and you know its not going anywhere, so your veins are inflammed with eleganz blood right now.

BACK to the topic and I'm going to break it down for you so you can't run from it, even though you just literally did evade what I said, what is that, like the 4th time you ignored it? Anyway.


You invoked Ron Paul....fact

I told you, you're in no position to be invoking Ron Paul since you since to think his position on anonymous accusers is....a grotesque embarrassment. At least when you were called out on it, you were silent, super silent, big league silent. Evading posts where I specifically call you out for it....thats a fact too, isn't it?

And what do you do next? Attack me for not understanding libertarianism and somehow making it about Trump and his lies, which has nothing to do with Ron Paul's position on anonymous accusers.

Now do you want to debate whats at hand or do you want to keep making cheap shots at my understandings of libertarianism? lol.


For the record, I have never, even once led anybody on RPF to believe that Trump was pro-libertarian. Actually quite the opposite. I have always warned those on RPF that Trump was not, is not and never will be a libertarian candidate/president, nor did he even attempt to court our vote. So yea, sorry bud, you're wrong on that too.

And I guess that makes this the 5th time R3v 3.0 evaded my call out.

 

[devil21]

AFAIK, Trump never said that troops were being pulled out of Syria. It seems that was the resident internet Trump PR teams pushing that narrative. The actual case was moving troops away from the Turkish/Kurd conflict area and that bit of information wasn't a secret. If someone can post a direct quote attributable to Trump saying pulling troops out of Syria entirely I'd like to see it. I never saw that. Or at least not this time...

 

[Swordsmyth]

AFAIK, Trump never said that troops were being pulled out of Syria. It seems that was the resident internet Trump PR teams pushing that narrative. The actual case was moving troops away from the Turkish/Kurd conflict area and that bit of information wasn't a secret. If someone can post a direct quote attributable to Trump saying pulling troops out of Syria entirely I'd like to see it. I never saw that. Or at least not this time...

If the search feature was working I could find much more:

From the video at 16s.

Originally Posted by President Trump

<SYRIA GRAPHIC SHOWN>

We were supposed to be there for thirty days...

and now we're getting out.

Let someone else fight over this long blood stained sand.

 

[Swordsmyth]

AFAIK, Trump never said that troops were being pulled out of Syria. It seems that was the resident internet Trump PR teams pushing that narrative. The actual case was moving troops away from the Turkish/Kurd conflict area and that bit of information wasn't a secret. If someone can post a direct quote attributable to Trump saying pulling troops out of Syria entirely I'd like to see it. I never saw that. Or at least not this time...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72457811697664
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72459325800448
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72465772482563
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72467676565505

The United States was supposed to be in Syria for 30 days, that was many years ago. We stayed and got deeper and deeper into battle with no aim in sight. When I arrived in Washington, ISIS was running rampant in the area. We quickly defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate,.....


....including capturing thousands of ISIS fighters, mostly from Europe. But Europe did not want them back, they said you keep them USA! I said “NO, we did you a great favor and now you want us to hold them in U.S. prisons at tremendous cost. They are yours for trials.” They.....


.....again said “NO,” thinking, as usual, that the U.S. is always the “sucker,” on NATO, on Trade, on everything. The Kurds fought with us, but were paid massive amounts of money and equipment to do so. They have been fighting Turkey for decades. I held off this fight for....


....almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to.....


...figure the situation out, and what they want to do with the captured ISIS fighters in their “neighborhood.” They all hate ISIS, have been enemies for years. We are 7000 miles away and will crush ISIS again if they come anywhere near us!


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[Swordsmyth]

AFAIK, Trump never said that troops were being pulled out of Syria. It seems that was the resident internet Trump PR teams pushing that narrative. The actual case was moving troops away from the Turkish/Kurd conflict area and that bit of information wasn't a secret. If someone can post a direct quote attributable to Trump saying pulling troops out of Syria entirely I'd like to see it. I never saw that. Or at least not this time...

President Trump on Monday dug in on his decision to pull U.S. troops out of northern Syria as Turkey prepares an operation in the region, while members of his own party lined up to criticize the move.
Speaking to reporters in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, Trump said he has "great respect" for the prominent Republicans who are urging him to reconsider his strategy but that "it's time to come back home."
"We’ve been there for many, many, many years beyond what we were supposed to be. Not fighting. Just there. Just there. And it’s time to come back home," Trump said in his first public remarks since the shift was announced late Sunday.


"But I can understand the other side of it," he continued. "But if you go by the other side, that means we should never, ever come home."
The president lamented that the most difficult aspect of his job is writing letters to the families of soldiers killed overseas. He described writing to families of soldiers killed by mines or snipers, calling it "devastating."
"We’re willing to do what we have to do, but there has to be an endgame," he said. "And if you stay, it’s going to be the same thing. Eventually you’re going to have to leave."


Trump was asked Monday afternoon about the barrage of criticism that rolled in throughout the day from the likes of Graham, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and former Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, all of whom argued a U.S. retreat could harm relationships with allies and lay the foundation for a resurgence of ISIS.
He replied that "many people" strongly agree with his viewpoint. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been among his most vocal cheerleaders, though most Republicans have called on Trump to rethink the move.
"I respect both opinions," he said. "The problem with the other opinion is when do we leave? When do we leave? We’re going to stay there forever?"
Trump also insisted he wasn't "siding with anybody" with the decision.
Asked about the Kurdish fighters, thousands of whom have died fighting alongside U.S. forces in the region and the remainder of whom would be vulnerable without U.S. support, Trump described them as a "natural enemy" of Turkey before arguing against prolonged American involvement.
Trump had doubled down and defended his strategy throughout the day. In tweets and comments in the Roosevelt Room, he chiefly argued that he campaigned on a pledge to end U.S. involvement in "endless wars" and that American forces should not serve as a global police force.

More at: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464742-trump-defends-syria-move-its-time-to-come-home

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[Swordsmyth]

AFAIK, Trump never said that troops were being pulled out of Syria. It seems that was the resident internet Trump PR teams pushing that narrative. The actual case was moving troops away from the Turkish/Kurd conflict area and that bit of information wasn't a secret. If someone can post a direct quote attributable to Trump saying pulling troops out of Syria entirely I'd like to see it. I never saw that. Or at least not this time...

Q Mr. President, are you confident that — are you confident that these gentlemen — I guess, mostly who are sitting around you — believe what you’re doing in Syria is the best idea at this point?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we’ve been in Syria for a long time.
And it was supposed to be a very short hit, and — hit on ISIS. But it didn’t work out that way. They never left. And they’ve been there for many, many years. And we are — we were down to very few soldiers in Syria. We had 50 in the region that you’re talking about — 50 soldiers — and they’ve been already moved out.

But we’ll see what happens with respect to a lot of different things. We’ve told Turkey — I spoke with President Erdoğan of Turkey, and I said, “Got to treat them good, and you got to take care of ISIS.” Don’t forget, we’ve captured — we defeated — this group, largely — defeated ISIS. One hundred percent of the caliphate. One hundred percent. And we wanted to do 100 percent. I was going to do this nine months ago, and we were not at 100 percent, but we were pretty close. Everyone said, “Can we get to 100 percent?” Now I get to 100 percent, and they say, “Well, maybe we could stay longer.” I say, “Well, when do we get out?” There’s got to be a time we get out. We have to bring our people back home.
And frankly, our great soldiers have been talking about this on the campaign. You go back three years ago and more, and you watch the speeches. We want to bring our soldiers back home. These are the endless wars.
And we’re not fighting; we’re policing, to a large extent. We’re policing in certain areas. We’re not police, we’re — these are fighters, great fighters; the greatest in the world. And that’s what they do.
So I’ve told President Erdoğan — I hope he’s going to treat everybody with great respect. You have to understand, they’ve been fighting various of the people that we were working with, and they — Turkey has been fighting them for many years. Somebody said hundreds of years. You had just mentioned to me yesterday, 200 years, maybe more.
At some point, we have to bring our people back home. And that’s what we’re doing. That’s what we’re doing.
Q Is it a firm decision, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: It’s always a firm decision. Last time I made a firm decision, but — and I said, “We’ll do it over a period of time.” We’ve been doing this, actually, over a period of time — over a very long period of time. And we’ve been working with the people in this room, and our soldiers have been coming back over that period of time.

More at: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-briefing-military-leaders/

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