Ron Paul supporters now working on two pre-RNC festivals

[Elwar]

When they start hitting you up for $5 for a bottle of water or soda, while they exclude outside drinks, then maybe you'll remind me how great all these prices were. Because right now all I see are organizers with dollar signs in their eyes.

Why would you want people out there supporting Ron Paul? He supports the free market...

 

[parocks]

I should rent out my extra room and my couches for those days

Ya. That's extremely common. Housing in convention cities during the convention is rare and pricey. People will be leaving Tampa and renting their house, their apartment, whatever they have, to the people who need lodging.

 

[angelatc]

Why would you want people out there supporting Ron Paul? He supports the free market...

This is Deb we're talking about, too. I have to seriously question anybody who questions her motives.

 

[parocks]

$77 for a three day music event is hardly anything. $26 for a full day's worth of activities in Florida? Unheard of.

And $48 for a night of camping right outside the location you are attending...well worth it.

$77 is a decent price. And $48 too, but I'd prefer to see that better. A weekly rate for camping? $200-$250 for a week?

I don't know why we need 100K people there.

 

[angelatc]

$77 is a decent price. And $48 too, but I'd prefer to see that better. A weekly rate for camping? $200-$250 for a week?

I don't know why we need 100K people there.

I doubt that will happen, but it would be amazing and absolutely wonderful if it did.

 

[parocks]

Someone really should contact both sides and ask them for their point of view..... also urge them to sit together and put their differences aside and work together. I know that there are bad feelings and that some got his feelings hurt but they are on the same side and they should work together.

Let me know what they told you and what will it take for them to unite again.

The one that is 30 miles away can be ignored. The one at the Tampa Fairgrounds happens to be the one that everyone knows about already. They need to make sure people can park their RVs, their mobile offices, with electricity and printers and a whole bunch of "get stuff done" tools at the Tampa Fairgrounds.

 

[parocks]

I doubt that will happen, but it would be amazing and absolutely wonderful if it did.

100K people would be a mess. Chaos, and it would likely not be helpful to Ron Paul, if that's what you're talking about. Getting a weekly discount would be great, but I have no idea if that's feasible.

 

[parocks]

This event isn't about gathering votes, it's about gathering people, and 77 dollar tickets are going to greatly hinder that effort.

People pay to go to large festivals. Was Bonnaroo a failure? It was more than $77, a lot of the best bands were there. Most of the best festivals are way more than $77. There will either be $77 worth of bands or there won't be.

 

[parocks]

You saw exactly what I said. That wasn't it, sock puppet. Paul Festival was never meant to be a free festival for people who run around the country attending free festivals. It wasn't that to start with, isn't that now, and won't be that later.

That said, I'm a little interested. Tell me more about these free festivals your cousin runs. Maybe I'd go to some. Most everyone I know pays for festivals, like Coachella, Bonaroo, Austin, etc, etc. Let's hear more about the free festivals. Somone is finally interested in something you've said and you ignore it.

Good one. I too want to hear about all of these great free festivals.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

You call me names and then expect me to answer your questions. Grow the F up first and then maybe I'll answer your questions.

If you're not a sock puppet account, then you really expect everyone to believe you just showed up at RPF? Just now, to register your unhappiness with how Paul Festival is being conducted? Is that your position?

I've never seen a more obvious sock puppet account that wasn't self admitted.

I don't think you have any answers, or me identifying you as a sock puppet wouldn't cause you to pretend to be so hurt. I'm giving you a chance to bump your credibility and even being rather supportive about it, but you refuse.

Agree mostly but I don't know about "real people with credibility". Especially the credibility part. Agree with the real people part.

Ok, but I'm comparing them to "Just Another Genius," the bar is fairly low.

It's basically a music festival right? It costs $77 right? If they get $77 worth of bands, people will show up. They have the advantage of being able to get some Ron Paul supporters who aren't going to pick apart the lineup. Good, big festivals cost more than $77.

Agree with that X 100. But the kind of line up that will attract a Paul fan is a little easier than most other places too. Let's say they get 3 of these 5 - Paul, Schiff, Arron Lewis, Pokerface, Joe Rogan/Doug Stanhope. Calling Joe and Doug the same thing, basically, a libertarian comedian. I think $77 would be a steal for that, and $77 would be fine for Paul alone.

I'd even consider $77 to be adequate to stick me in a field with 5,000 other Paul supporters doing whatever they want, so I admittedly have a very low bar here.

 

[parocks]

If you're not a sock puppet account, then you really expect everyone to believe you just showed up at RPF? Just now, to register your unhappiness with how Paul Festival is being conducted? Is that your position?

I've never seen a more obvious sock puppet account that wasn't self admitted.

I don't think you have any answers, or me identifying you as a sock puppet wouldn't cause you to pretend to be so hurt. I'm giving you a chance to bump your credibility and even being rather supportive about it, but you refuse.




Ok, but I'm comparing them to "Just Another Genius," the bar is fairly low.





Agree with that X 100. But the kind of line up that will attract a Paul fan is a little easier than most other places too. Let's say they get 3 of these 5 - Paul, Schiff, Arron Lewis, Pokerface, Joe Rogan/Doug Stanhope. Calling Joe and Doug the same thing, basically, a libertarian comedian. I think $77 would be a steal for that, and $77 would be fine for Paul alone.

I'd even consider $77 to be adequate to stick me in a field with 5,000 other Paul supporters doing whatever they want, so I admittedly have a very low bar here.

Yes, well, compared to a sock puppet.

And about your bands. Well. I'm pro Topete, don't get me wrong. I put Poker Face on a "parocks" night 13 years ago. But Poker Face isn't exactly the kind of headliner that will satisfy thousands or tens of thousands of festival goers that are comparison shopping. For $77, people will expect a real festival, with real acts, like you'd get for $77 somewhere else.

KahBang, in Bangor, Maine, which is kinda not near anything, has tickets on sale for $40 (presale) - prices go up to $50 later. We don't want to compare PaulFest to Bonnaroo. But we can compare it to Kahbang, which is cheaper. Both 3 day festivals, Kahbang cost less. It appears that the Friday Headliner is the Deftones, the Saturday headliner is Bassnectar, the Sunday headliner is Wale. Try to measure against that.

One easy way to get a whole bunch of bands to play - and since this is a festival, you kinda need that, is Sonic Bids. Nothing beats having great taste, a lot of contacts and a whole bunch of bands that want to play, but Sonic Bids will get you some bands. And money too, if you want that.

Sonic Bids http://sonicbids.com

 

[parocks]

Aaron Lewis (Staind) is on the "Rockstar Energy Drink Uproar Festival" on Friday 24 and Sunday 26 in the Northeast.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Aaron Lewis (Staind) is on the "Rockstar Energy Drink Uproar Festival" on Friday 24 and Sunday 26 in the Northeast.

Delegates on Rockstar. (fyi a favorite drink of mine - a little strong)

 

[clint4liberty]

The national delegates should not be showing up to either one of these two festivals, but the Republican National Convention itself. If someone wishes to attend the
festival please attend the Paul Fest.

 

[parocks]

The national delegates should not be showing up to either one of these two festivals, but the Republican National Convention itself. If someone wishes to attend the
festival please attend the Paul Fest.

I don't see why the delegates shouldn't be attending the Tampa Fairgrounds event. What should they be doing on Friday, Saturday, Sunday? In theory, delegates aren't poor, and can afford to do this.

And it's free for delegates.

 

[Barrex]

The national delegates should not be showing up to either one of these two festivals, but the Republican National Convention itself. If someone wishes to attend the
festival please attend the Paul Fest.

I don't see why the delegates shouldn't be attending the Tampa Fairgrounds event. What should they be doing on Friday, Saturday, Sunday? In theory, delegates aren't poor, and can afford to do this.

And it's free for delegates.

Barrex

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Aaron Lewis (Staind) is on the "Rockstar Energy Drink Uproar Festival" on Friday 24 and Sunday 26 in the Northeast.

Ok, so that rules that out, (grrrr. lol).

Kahbang cost less. It appears that the Friday Headliner is the Deftones, the Saturday headliner is Bassnectar, the Sunday headliner is Wale. Try to measure against that.

Sure, but I bet you can't name another festival where Peter Schiff would be considered a draw. Someone like Doug Stanhope would see his biggest audience in years, and be well received, well paid, and happy. Rogan... I dunno, he seems to be making money. I'm just saying this is apples to oranges when you compare it to other festivals, and especially other music festivals.

This festival is not an attempt to pull the same audience that Kahbang is. And proximity to either is a consideration, as it always is. I get that. But this event is in Tampa, near the RNC, so it's more likely to grab the politically conscience person than the average Bassnectar fan. Whole different crowd.

Also, add up the Paul donors between 2007-1012. These aren't even people who have purchased music from bands, but people who have thrown money into the air. (yes, I know some will say unwisely so.) Then add onto that anyone convinced who has not donated. Then add on people who care about the lineup.

We're sending off an icon, for the most part. There's another reason to go. Just comparing this to your average music festival is, like I said, apples to oranges.

 

[parocks]

I would argue that if they can afford it, they SHOULD be there. There could be training. There might be a lot of things for the delegates to do that the official campaign would not officially approve of. Materials for the delegates could be sent to the Tampa Fairgrounds, and the delegates could pick them up at the Tampa Fairgrounds.

 

[parocks]

Ok, so that rules that out, (grrrr. lol).




Sure, but I bet you can't name another festival where Peter Schiff would be considered a draw. Someone like Doug Stanhope would see his biggest audience in years, and be well received, well paid, and happy. Rogan... I dunno, he seems to be making money. I'm just saying this is apples to oranges when you compare it to other festivals, and especially other music festivals.

This festival is not an attempt to pull the same audience that Kahbang is. And proximity to either is a consideration, as it always is. I get that. But this event is in Tampa, near the RNC, so it's more likely to grab the politically conscience person than the average Bassnectar fan. Whole different crowd.

Also, add up the Paul donors between 2007-1012. These aren't even people who have purchased music from bands, but people who have thrown money into the air. (yes, I know some will say unwisely so.) Then add onto that anyone convinced who has not donated. Then add on people who care about the lineup.

We're sending off an icon, for the most part. There's another reason to go. Just comparing this to your average music festival is, like I said, apples to oranges.

I'm not arguing in favor of one or another act. I'm not arguing in favor of Bassnectar specifically. I just don't see that many people showing up if they don't have something good to do. This is a music festival with some politics in it right? Buy $77 dollars worth of acts. There are just not that many people who are going to want to buy that product.

Hey, 2 days ago, my position was that this was worthless and shouldn't be done unless there was a point to it. Now I'm saying that if you want a lot of people there, you're gonna have to provide a lot more. And I'm not saying this should be free, or that there should be free beer, but you have compelling stuff for hours and hours for 3 days, and Schiff and Stanhope isn't quite enough. Are these guys planning 12 hour sets? 3 days, get 3 legit headliners. And fill in with a lot of sonic bids bands.

 

[parocks]

There is video of John Popper making a phone from home call.
Blues Traveler is on the "Last Summer On Earth" tour.
Which seems to be over on 8/19. They have another date on 8/23. This is an airplane flight, but it's potentially doable.

Kelly Clarkson is booked - in the NE

Michelle Branch seems available.

There isn't much Red Jumpsuit Apparatus on pollstar, so they might be available (and they're from Florida).