Ron Paul supporters now working on two pre-RNC festivals

[Elwar]

The price for camping at the fairgrounds is almost TWICE that of any other campground in the area.

Please provide a link to prices at the fairgrounds that week. Thanks.

Plus, why would people who have been camping at one location for the festival pick up and move to another, as yet, defined location?

I live right outside of Tampa, the fairgrounds are not that far from downtown. I could not imagine another camping location anywhere closer to the convention center.

You are saying that the fairgrounds are going to have rules? And that they will be enforced by security? You mean, like at a camp ground?

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I still think it should be even shorter

PAULFEST

much cooler

so which are we supposed to support?

man why is the grassroots always butting heads at each and every step.

If one is geared towards johnson that is NOT the one I am trying to go to.

Which one is geared towards the RON PAUL REVOLUTION?

 

[jbauer]

Alright this sure is turning into a $hit hole fast. What in the world does GJ need to be there for unless its for Paul Fest? They already had his convention. If you want to bring the conservative part of the R3volution to GJ then have him speak at Paulfest. Otherwise this is nothing more then divide and conquer

 

[Just Another Genius]

Yes, just one day at the convention is all these supporters need, after all it's the 3 day festival which is what's really important. Now isn't it. As for how these supporters will get over to the convention for the first day, well I guess they can walk the 10 miles back and forth or pay a fortune for taxi's, but what does it matter so long as they make it to the 3 day heat festival beforehand.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I agree

GJ should NOT be the headliner for this event, well at least the event I am planning on taking my son I from California to. I would like to hear him speak AT the paulfest though and endorse Ron Pauls principles and even ask that HE be the Libertarian Candidate and he will happily step down and take the 2nd position.

I will pay to go to PAULFEST if it is a RON PAUL REVOLUTION FESTIVAL. I have never been able to get down to the big RON PAUL rallies and that is the rally I want my son and I participating in.

I guess I will pause on our travel plans until I see where this arguement ends up.

 

[Elwar]

Yes, just one day at the convention is all these supporters need, after all it's the 3 day festival which is what's really important. Now isn't it. As for how these supporters will get over to the convention for the first day, well I guess they can walk the 10 miles back and forth or pay a fortune for taxi's, but what does it matter so long as they make it to the 3 day heat festival beforehand.

As opposed to what?

Sleeping outside the convention?

 

[Elwar]

Ok, I think I see what happened.
Paul Fest was organizing to get things going. They had volunteers and people helping to get the ball rolling.

Then comes the big kicker...the RNC has full control over all venues in Tampa that week.

Oh crap, what do we do?


People start worrying about all of the work being lost, they try to figure out what should be done. Some suggest looking at other venues, others vow to fight for the fairgrounds.


As time goes on, both groups cement themselves in their decisions. One group finds a venue outside of Tampa and RNC control and the other group continues on its original course.


Freedom Fest gets the ball rolling outside of Tampa and Paul Fest ends up securing the fairgrounds.



At this point, both groups are pretty much locked in, so they both need Ron Paul supporters to come to their venue to pay for the location.
If the two groups could work together and maybe go back to the original plan, Freedom Fest could probably get their deposit back or transfer the venue to another group and combine entertainment at the fairgrounds so that Ron Paul supporters can all be together at one location for the event. Plus it will be closer to the convention as people continue to camp that week.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Elwar

that sounds like an almost too perfect answer lol

you should be in politics

 

[Elwar]

Elwar

that sounds like an almost too perfect answer lol

you should be in politics

It would require the Freedom Fest folks to swallow their pride and possible lose some money. Paul Fest folks could extend an olive branch by offering to pay for half of the deposit or whatever was spent on the Freedom Fest venue.

 

[Just Another Genius]

The Freedom Fest is TOO FAR AWAY from the convention. The Paul Fest should be FREE, not a money making adventure, a simple money bomb could pay for the expenses, including the overpriced camp grounds if there is money left over. Even 10,000 people at 77.00, that's 770,000.00. Where is all this money going. How much does the fairgrounds cost or is this some big secret to those wanting to hold and profit from the event. And where did they come up with the advance money to secure this site. That's the questions I want answered. A FREE Paul Fest would attract ten times the amount of people compared to one charging 77.00. If the point of this festival is to attract people and get them to come to the convention afterwards then it should be maximizing that potential by making the festival FREE.

 

[jbauer]

Sure, why not. Have dozens of people donate a year of their time planning. 100's of people working to secure speakers/musicans etc, vendors, clean-up crews, parking attendants and wear and tear on the fairgrounds be free. Lets not pay any headlining show to draw a crowd. Lets ask Ron to come I bet he wouldn't mind sleeping in a sleeping bag outside in 100 degree weather. While we're at it lets see if a brewery would step up and donate all the free beer we can drink!!!

Heck everyone should donate everything. We can all have no taxes, free food, Iphone, all the social security you can handle and top it off with free college!!!!

Everything is FREE FREE FREE!!!!

P.S. Sorry to be a dick, but I can't stand everyone wanting everything for free

 

[odamn]

Why do i keep thinking this whole idea is flawed?

 

[parocks]

Wow, a lot of words for no answer.

What was the answer again?

I think I've answered this question at least 3 times myself, twice directly to you, and seen others answer directly to you as well. Why do you keep asking it over and over and over again? Are you not reading the resonses? Do you not believe them? Really, what do you ask the same question in EVERY related thread?

 

[parocks]

Why do i keep thinking this whole idea is flawed?

Because it's mostly flawed. Change a couple things, (like - during the convention, not before) and it might have utility and value, but it still might be a fiasco.

There's no clear upside to it if it takes place before the convention, that I can see. But they just seem to think that any Ron Paul thing anywhere is just good on its face.

 

[parocks]

Sure, why not. Have dozens of people donate a year of their time planning. 100's of people working to secure speakers/musicans etc, vendors, clean-up crews, parking attendants and wear and tear on the fairgrounds be free. Lets not pay any headlining show to draw a crowd. Lets ask Ron to come I bet he wouldn't mind sleeping in a sleeping bag outside in 100 degree weather. While we're at it lets see if a brewery would step up and donate all the free beer we can drink!!!

Heck everyone should donate everything. We can all have no taxes, free food, Iphone, all the social security you can handle and top it off with free college!!!!

Everything is FREE FREE FREE!!!!

P.S. Sorry to be a dick, but I can't stand everyone wanting everything for free

reasonable.

 

[parocks]

The Freedom Fest is TOO FAR AWAY from the convention. The Paul Fest should be FREE, not a money making adventure, a simple money bomb could pay for the expenses, including the overpriced camp grounds if there is money left over. Even 10,000 people at 77.00, that's 770,000.00. Where is all this money going. How much does the fairgrounds cost or is this some big secret to those wanting to hold and profit from the event. And where did they come up with the advance money to secure this site. That's the questions I want answered. A FREE Paul Fest would attract ten times the amount of people compared to one charging 77.00. If the point of this festival is to attract people and get them to come to the convention afterwards then it should be maximizing that potential by making the festival FREE.

I don't know that the "point of this festival is to attract people and get them to come to the convention afterwards". If it's over on Sunday, and the convention starts Monday, where do the people who are there on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, stay on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday? It seems to provide no value, and only increases the cost to people. That is, if there isn't anything like this during the convention. If there is, it's a different story.

There's very little evidence they've thought through "why are we doing this?" particularly clearly, and they haven't really expressed it well.

 

[parocks]

Ok, I think I see what happened.
Paul Fest was organizing to get things going. They had volunteers and people helping to get the ball rolling.

Then comes the big kicker...the RNC has full control over all venues in Tampa that week.

Oh crap, what do we do?


People start worrying about all of the work being lost, they try to figure out what should be done. Some suggest looking at other venues, others vow to fight for the fairgrounds.


As time goes on, both groups cement themselves in their decisions. One group finds a venue outside of Tampa and RNC control and the other group continues on its original course.


Freedom Fest gets the ball rolling outside of Tampa and Paul Fest ends up securing the fairgrounds.



At this point, both groups are pretty much locked in, so they both need Ron Paul supporters to come to their venue to pay for the location.
If the two groups could work together and maybe go back to the original plan, Freedom Fest could probably get their deposit back or transfer the venue to another group and combine entertainment at the fairgrounds so that Ron Paul supporters can all be together at one location for the event. Plus it will be closer to the convention as people continue to camp that week.

1) they knew all along that the RNC had control over what they had control over. This has been discussed for quite a while.

2) This isn't during the convention. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and the convention starts on Monday.

3) "Plus it will be closer to the convention as people continue to camp that week." What week? Where will they be camping? The Festival is over on Sunday (as initially planned). The convention starts on Monday. Where are the people supposed to go?

The one that's far away from Tampa (far enough away from the RNC's grasp) should be during the convention.

 

[parocks]

As opposed to what?

Sleeping outside the convention?

Where do you think people will be sleeping on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday nights? Aren't these festivals over on Sunday? Can people sleep at the site of the Paul Fest on Wednesday night, because they were there 3 days earlier? Why do we need people in the Tampa area on Friday night, especially if there's nowhere for them to be on Wednesday night?

If there was somewhere for everyone to stay on Thursday, Wednesday, it might be good to start early, the previous Friday. But bringing people in, with no place to stay when they want to be there, seems like error.

 

[parocks]

why the fuck are they making 2 of them. there should be one and thats it

And that one, should be during the convention and not ending before the convention starts.

 

[matt0611]

Because it's mostly flawed. Change a couple things, (like - during the convention, not before) and it might have utility and value, but it still might be a fiasco.

There's no clear upside to it if it takes place before the convention, that I can see. But they just seem to think that any Ron Paul thing anywhere is just good on its face.

I'm not too knowledgeable on things but why would it better to have it during the convention? Don't we want people at the convention?

But yeah we should really not have two things at the same time. Can't one of them change dates?
Do one before the convention and one during or after.