Ron Paul supporter attacked and then charged with murder!!

[JMann]

The RP supporter might have truly thought the lives of himself and his girlfriend were at risk.

Maybe I'm not getting it because I live in Texas ... different laws?

Sorry about the public school comment- The summary didn't make any sense, just a little fun...

Much of my family is from Texas and these are the very people I would last want to be carrying a gun and most do.

If you take someone's life you better KNOW you life is at risk not THINK your life is a risk. If we all went around killing people that we think may be a danger to us there would be a piles of dead people all over the place.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

Sorry about the public school comment- The summary didn't make any sense, just a little fun...

Much of my family is from Texas and these are the very people I would last want to be carrying a gun and most do.

If you take someone's life you better KNOW you life is at risk not THINK your life is a risk. If we all went around killing people that we think may be a danger to us there would be a piles of dead people all over the place.

When someone puts their arms on another with the intent to harm they shouldn't expect to live through the altercation. Any action taken to resolve the situation is justifiable.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Personally I have no pity on drunk drivers. I am 34 and have NEVER driven drunk, period. And I am no teetotaler. There is no excuse. A drunk behind the wheel IS a loaded gun. If he was drunk driving and then got out of his car to pick a fight, then it sounds like the sort of a-hole that got everything he deserved.

 

[hillertexas]

When someone puts their arms on another with the intent to harm they shouldn't expect to live through the altercation. Any action taken to resolve the situation is justifiable.

+1

The fact that the person you are trying to mug might have a gun is a BIG deterrent. If the criminal knows that he is risking his life for that purse, maybe less people would be mugged. I moved to Texas from St. Louis. In St. Louis, the population at large was not armed and crime thrived. I feel much safer in Texas where my fellow citizens are armed as well as the criminals.

Do you think this guy's house got looted during Katrina?

 

[hopeforamerica]

+1

The fact that the person you are trying to mug might have a gun is a BIG deterrent. If the criminal knows that he is risking his life for that purse, maybe less people would be mugged. I moved to Texas from St. Louis. In St. Louis, the population at large was not armed and crime thrived. I feel much safer in Texas where my fellow citizens are armed as well as the criminals.

Do you think this guy's house got looted during Katrina?

That picture is priceless!

 

[qh4dotcom]

Looks like this wouldn't have happened if the guy who was attacked would have kept his car door locked. I really feel sorry for the guy and his wife.

Since I have Ron Paul bumper stickers on my car, I am going to be extra cautious from now on.

 

[Ninja Homer]

Reading a home school friendly newspaper?

Reading into the articles, including this and this, I'm going to take the John Adams route here and proclaim this as inane manslaughter, bordering on outright murder.

"Stuart shot Beasley once in the forehead, fled the scene and was arrested shortly afterward."

Innocent men don't run. Right. I'm not supporting this clown.

Just because he left the scene doesn't mean he's guilty. Personally, I would have left the scene as well. You don't know who else is in the vehicle, or if they have a gun. Granted, I wouldn't have driven home... that's just stupid. Drive a block or 2 and call the police on a cell phone, or drive to the nearest pay phone.

You know gun laws have gone too far when you no longer have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property. YOU are the first line of defense of your life, liberty, and property... police and laws are second to that. If every thief expected the home owner had a gun and expected they'd get shot during their crime, there'd be a lot less crime.

I heard of a case a couple years ago where a thief broke into somebody's home, grabbed a stack of electronics, and was on his way out when he was confronted by the homeowner with a pointed gun. The homeowner shot the thief in the leg, called 911, and the police and an ambulance carried him away. The thief was sentenced with some jail time.

In a just country, that'd be the end of the story. Well, the thief then filed a lawsuit against the homeowner that shot him in the leg. The thief won his case, and the homeowner was ordered to pay him half a million dollars. Moral of the story; if somebody breaks into your home, and you want to practice your right to defend your life, liberty, and property, you better unload your weapon in their chest.

 

[Kalifornia]

I'm 100% supporter of the second amendment. With that said, if you are actually stupid enough to carry a gun you better damn well not use it unless someone else pulls a gun on you.

If someone is threating to kick your ass this does not give you the right to use deadly force. We don't know the facts of this case but it appears like this guy is the reason the gun control people have an argument that people listen to.

You have the right to use your weapon to defend yourself any time a reasonable person would fear for their life or grave bodily injury. When threats escalate into a physical assault, thats when I, as a reasonable person, consider myself to be at risk of grave bodily injury. You seem to think that unarmed assaults are not dangerous?

 

[pinkmandy]

You have the right to use your weapon to defend yourself any time a reasonable person would fear for their life or grave bodily injury. When threats escalate into a physical assault, thats when I, as a reasonable person, consider myself to be at risk of grave bodily injury. You seem to think that unarmed assaults are not dangerous?

I agree with that. Speaking from a female perspective, a penis can be a weapon. And damn straight someone who uses it as such deserves a bullet.

I know that's going off on a tangent a bit but not really...if someone is bigger and stronger than you then a gun may be needed.

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

These are all things you think about PRIOR to deciding to carry a gun. You best be damn well justified in using deadly force. The government uses the death penalty in very rare cases and if you as an individual decide to carry out the death penalty you better make sure the t's are crossed and the i's dotted.

In my part of the country we had a guy shoot a kid after the kid broke into the garage. When the homeowner confronted the guy the criminal ran. The man shot the intruder in the back as he was running away. This isn't self defense.

I support anyone that wants to carry a gun but the right to carry a gun means that you should fully understand that you should never use it unless you life is in immediate danger.

The kid in this story may be found to be justified in using his weapon. He may also be the kind of people that joke about not ever f'ing with him cause bust a cap in your ass.

Sad case I'm sure for everyone. The shooter's life will never be the same and the drunk guy that got the death penalty for public intoxication isn't around no more.

as my CPL instructer put it, "You can't pull out your gun and blast someone just because you're afraid of getting a black eye in a fight."

 

[phixion]

Plenty of people die from being punched once and hitting their head on the ground. It's happened a few times in my city in the last year. Others have escaped with brain damage.

Personally I might spray a would-be attacker in the face with a legal substance and then kick them in the testicles until they're unable to continue an attack on me, cannot move and are crunched up in sheer agony. With any hope they would be rendered infertile and will experience pain each and every days for months in their sensitive region.

Frankly I would rather not give the police a chance to pin a crime on me at all (that's their only job nowadays - they don't care who the real victim is, they've got targets to reach) therfore it's likely I would just leave the scene if I had the oppertunity.

Pete

 

[Ninja Homer]

Plenty of people die from being punched once and hitting their head on the ground. It's happened a few times in my city in the last year. Others have escaped with brain damage.

Personally I might spray a would-be attacker in the face with a legal substance and then kick them in the testicles until they're unable to continue an attack on me, cannot move and are crunched up in sheer agony. With any hope they would be rendered infertile and will experience pain each and every days for months in their sensitive region.

Frankly I would rather not give the police a chance to pin a crime on me at all (that's their only job nowadays - they don't care who the real victim is, they've got targets to reach) therfore it's likely I would just leave the scene if I had the oppertunity.

Pete

Depending on where you live, you could be sued for the awful thing you did to the poor innocent person who attacked you, and become an indentured servant to them for the rest of your life.

 

[JMann]

When someone puts their arms on another with the intent to harm they shouldn't expect to live through the altercation. Any action taken to resolve the situation is justifiable.

I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of the value of life. You actually said that if someone puts a hand on me I'll kill them. I'm afraid this is the kind of attitude the guy in the story had and if he had predetermined that he would kill anyone that bothered him he should be charged with murder.

I hope for his sake and his families this was a case of self-defense.

 

[Oyate]

First of all, congratulations to all of you who didn't "rush to judgment" in this case. Just because he's a Paul supporter doesn't get him (or anyone) blanket defense.

But it so happens I know this guy. I've talked to him on the phone a number of times, exchanged emails and I've met him and his lovely fiancee in person. I know what I've read in the papers and I know John's side of the story. I'm personally inclined to believe John, but it's kind of irrelevant what I believe.

The important thing here is to try and see that he gets a fair trial. Let the truth be told and let the court act accordingly. I encourage you to follow this story and if it looks like he's getting rail-roaded, that's an affront to all Americans regardless.

 

[RonPaulFever]

How do you shoot someone in the forehead in self-defense?

I hope to god the national media doesn't run with this....

 

[ThomasJ]

Self Defense

If you break into my house, I will end your life.
If you attempt to assault my loved ones in my car, I will end your life.
If you attempt to steal my car with no one in it I will call the police.

When it comes to my family or myself there is no second chances, you will die before I let anyone harm my family legal or illegal. End of story.

 

[pinkmandy]

If you break into my house, I will end your life.
If you attempt to assault my loved ones in my car, I will end your life.
If you attempt to steal my car with no one in it I will call the police.

When it comes to my family or myself there is no second chances, you will die before I let anyone harm my family legal or illegal. End of story.

^^^^^

I agree. This guy wasn't just fighting off a drunk. He was also fighting to protect his fiancee. Should said drunk have beat up the guy and the guy couldn't get off the ground...what may have happened to the fiancee?

I'm just raising questions, not passing judgment either way.

 

[rathskeller]

Some have said it is better to be tried by a jury of your peers than to be carried to your grave by six friends.

We still have the right of self defense.

I don't know what happened here, as no one here does, so I can't say specifically...however, what people always leave out is that people have a right to REASONABLE self defense. Just becuase someone attacks you, or hits you or whatever does NOT give you free reign to kill them. The defense must match the offense. So if someone is punching you, you can hit him back.

You have the right to protect yourself from further harm. That is all.

 

[angelatc]

I don't know what happened here, as no one here does, so I can't say specifically...however, what people always leave out is that people have a right to REASONABLE self defense. Just becuase someone attacks you, or hits you or whatever does NOT give you free reign to kill them. The defense must match the offense. So if someone is punching you, you can hit him back.

You have the right to protect yourself from further harm. That is all.

So you're saying that if someone shoots you, only then can you can return fire?

 

[phixion]

I don't know what happened here, as no one here does, so I can't say specifically...however, what people always leave out is that people have a right to REASONABLE self defense. Just becuase someone attacks you, or hits you or whatever does NOT give you free reign to kill them. The defense must match the offense. So if someone is punching you, you can hit him back.

You have the right to protect yourself from further harm. That is all.

And what if they posess far superior strength, are un-hinged or are simply more capabable of harming you than you are of fending against them?

This man may of been right to draw his gun and tell the would-be attacker to "STOP/RETREAT OR I WILL SHOOT YOU" - the man may of carried on trying to attack him and thus took a bullet in his head AFTER he was warned or KNEW of the consequences of continuing to advance toward him.

Please. Physical confrontations are so unpredictable you cannot simply say 'If he's using his fists you should only use yours' - that's a crock. Use whatever means you have available to fend the guy off you. If you have a gun, draw it and warn him to back off. If he doesn't back off, what's wrong with putting a slug in him, exactly?

Pete